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[Commander Castillo]

I like her smile

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

Constant Motion wrote...

EricChase88 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stopped caring about EDI as soon as she became nothing but a sex object for Joker. There was absolutely no need to deviate from the role she played in ME2.

None.

Absolutely correct. I just don't have any connection with a sexbot.

So because she's attractive, and she's capable of having sex, she's nothing more than a sexbot?

Your attitude to women must be despicable.

Yep, agreed.

[EricChase88]

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

EricChase88 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stopped caring about EDI as soon as she became nothing but a sex object for Joker. There was absolutely no need to deviate from the role she played in ME2.

None.

Absolutely correct. I just don't have any connection with a sexbot.

So because she's attractive, and she's capable of having sex, she's nothing more than a sexbot?

Your attitude to women must be despicable.

Yep, agreed.

The way her body is designed is too obvious. And the ******. They can afford to put that in her body but not give more interesting Mass Effect 2 squadmates. She's just so generic. Does anything stand out about her other than being a sexbot? I'm honestly curious.

My point remains. Mordin died, Legion died. Many characters can die. Billions lost their lives to the Reapers. So how does EDI dying do anything to prevent anyone from choosing Destroy? 

Modifié par EricChase88, 04 août 2012 - 10:27 .

[Krunjar]

EricChase88 wrote...

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

EricChase88 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stopped caring about EDI as soon as she became nothing but a sex object for Joker. There was absolutely no need to deviate from the role she played in ME2.

None.

Absolutely correct. I just don't have any connection with a sexbot.

So because she's attractive, and she's capable of having sex, she's nothing more than a sexbot?

Your attitude to women must be despicable.

Yep, agreed.

The way her body is designed is too obvious. And the ******. They can afford to put that in her body but not give more interesting Mass Effect 2 squadmates. She's just so generic. Does anything stand out about her other than being a sexbot? I'm honestly curious.

My point remains. Mordin died, Legion died. Many characters can die. Billions lost their lives to the Reapers. So how does EDI dying do anything to prevent anyone from choosing Destroy? 

A robots journey towards true sentience is Edi's story if you don't get or like that then well ... tough. I think that EDI's transformation is believable because I think she already had feelings for joker well before she got her new body. Thus in taking over Eva's she had an ulterior motive. To obtain a body capable of expressing that effection. And it is entireley believable that a machine designed to infiltrate would have that capability. If you think there is something wrong with that well then I just think you are a prude.

Destroy is  for those who helped EDI towards sentience a complete betrayal. It is saying that organic life outweighs synthetic. Alot of people forget that destroy wipes out ALL synthetic life not only EDI and the Geth (Assuming they are still alive) But any and all undiscovered synthetic life forms in the galaxy. Remember the galaxy is still largeley unmapped and many relays are unexplored. Destroy isn't just EDI and the geth it's  anything without a pulse.

Modifié par Krunjar, 04 août 2012 - 10:34 .

[Sklibbles]

I'm not quite sure, to be honest. I enjoy the plot line of the sentience in synthetics throughout the series, although I still am at the conclusion that geth/EDI/etc. are not life forms and do not have "souls" as legion infers. Destroy was a no-brainer for me because of the little value I place on synthetic life. In my opinion, the geth "soul" can simply be stored on a hard drive large enough to contain it, which is not as much the case for any of the organic species.

I do agree with, though, the notion that EDI is really just a sex object for Joker in the framework of ME3. I didn't really have a problem with this because I wasn't incredibly attached to her in ME2, if anything the synthetic I sympathized the most with was Legion. Since his introduction in ME2 and the concept of wearing Shepard's N7 armor I had been intrigued as to the possibility of some uniqueness to his particular unit, but after playing renegade Shep and coming to the conclusion that I ultimately don't trust the geth's motives, I tend to be a bit skeptical of synthetics.

[EricChase88]

Krunjar wrote...

EricChase88 wrote...

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

Yep, agreed.

The way her body is designed is too obvious. And the ******. They can afford to put that in her body but not give more interesting Mass Effect 2 squadmates. She's just so generic. Does anything stand out about her other than being a sexbot? I'm honestly curious.

My point remains. Mordin died, Legion died. Many characters can die. Billions lost their lives to the Reapers. So how does EDI dying do anything to prevent anyone from choosing Destroy? 

A robots journey towards true sentience is Edi's story if you don't get or like that then well ... tough. I think that EDI's transformation is believable because I think she already had feelings for joker well before she got her new body. Thus in taking over Eva's she had an ulterior motive. To obtain a body capable of expressing that effection. And it is entireley believable that a machine designed to infiltrate would have that capability. If you think there is something wrong with that well then I just think you are a prude.

It sums up to a Pinnochio or Data story. Sorry, but there are so many of these that it's generic and obvious ripoff.

Modifié par EricChase88, 04 août 2012 - 10:35 .

[fchopin]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I don't understand the anger behind EDI in a sexy body. She was never a "cheap hooker", did anyone that thinks that even talk to her in ME3?

I am not upset because EDI had a sexy body, i am upset that they cheapened her character and made her not a true AI.

How's she not a 'true AI'? The body is hardware, same as Legions. She's more 'human-like' than any of the geth, but she was designed to be like that. In modern terms, Legion and the geth are a race of networked senitent calculators, EDI is one of those prototype human-robots you see at Japanese technology museums.

Because AI's do not behave in such a way as EDI does unless they can experience those feelings, EDI has never experienced those feeling and has not had the chance to experience them so she should not behave in the way she does. By doing so Bioware has broken the rules which is not really surprising as they did similar with other parts of the plot.

[Krunjar]

EricChase88 wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

EricChase88 wrote...

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

EricChase88 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stopped caring about EDI as soon as she became nothing but a sex object for Joker. There was absolutely no need to deviate from the role she played in ME2.

None.

Absolutely correct. I just don't have any connection with a sexbot.

So because she's attractive, and she's capable of having sex, she's nothing more than a sexbot?

Your attitude to women must be despicable.

Yep, agreed.

The way her body is designed is too obvious. And the ******. They can afford to put that in her body but not give more interesting Mass Effect 2 squadmates. She's just so generic. Does anything stand out about her other than being a sexbot? I'm honestly curious.

My point remains. Mordin died, Legion died. Many characters can die. Billions lost their lives to the Reapers. So how does EDI dying do anything to prevent anyone from choosing Destroy? 

A robots journey towards true sentience is Edi's story if you don't get or like that then well ... tough. I think that EDI's transformation is believable because I think she already had feelings for joker well before she got her new body. Thus in taking over Eva's she had an ulterior motive. To obtain a body capable of expressing that effection. And it is entireley believable that a machine designed to infiltrate would have that capability. If you think there is something wrong with that well then I just think you are a prude.

It sums up to a Pinnochio or Data story. Sorry, but there are so many of these that it's generic and obvious ripoff.

Everything's a rip off of something. The question is do you like it? Obviously you don't, I do. It's that simple.

[EricChase88]

Sklibbles wrote...

I'm not quite sure, to be honest. I enjoy the plot line of the sentience in synthetics throughout the series, although I still am at the conclusion that geth/EDI/etc. are not life forms and do not have "souls" as legion infers. Destroy was a no-brainer for me because of the little value I place on synthetic life. In my opinion, the geth "soul" can simply be stored on a hard drive large enough to contain it, which is not as much the case for any of the organic species.

I do agree with, though, the notion that EDI is really just a sex object for Joker in the framework of ME3. I didn't really have a problem with this because I wasn't incredibly attached to her in ME2, if anything the synthetic I sympathized the most with was Legion. Since his introduction in ME2 and the concept of wearing Shepard's N7 armor I had been intrigued as to the possibility of some uniqueness to his particular unit, but after playing renegade Shep and coming to the conclusion that I ultimately don't trust the geth's motives, I tend to be a bit skeptical of synthetics.

Unfortunately, the way things are written, robots are alive in these games. But that is besides the point. The fact that people even consider weighing an individual (who is a boring sexbot) against the entire galaxy is just ridiculous.

Yeah, seeing the generic and boring story for EDI, it's pretty clear she is just a plaything for Joker.

Modifié par EricChase88, 04 août 2012 - 10:41 .

[Kataphrut94]

fchopin wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I don't understand the anger behind EDI in a sexy body. She was never a "cheap hooker", did anyone that thinks that even talk to her in ME3?

I am not upset because EDI had a sexy body, i am upset that they cheapened her character and made her not a true AI.

How's she not a 'true AI'? The body is hardware, same as Legions. She's more 'human-like' than any of the geth, but she was designed to be like that. In modern terms, Legion and the geth are a race of networked senitent calculators, EDI is one of those prototype human-robots you see at Japanese technology museums.

Because AI's do not behave in such a way as EDI does unless they can experience those feelings, EDI has never experienced those feeling and has not had the chance to experience them so she should not behave in the way she does. By doing so Bioware has broken the rules which is not really surprising as they did similar with other parts of the plot.

Surely that was the point of her arc? It was about learning to experience those feelings. It comes down to whether you believe an AI capable of emulating human emotions is capable of properly experiencing them. It's very much like the debate Adams and Chakwas have: are synthetics capable of experiencing emotions in their own way or just simulating organic life?

That said, it is disappointing how quickly she gets a hang of this type of thing. She mentions when discussing her new body that she only needs to experience something once in order to adapt to it. I was really hoping we'd get a scene like that one episode of Red Dwarf where Joker is showing her different pieces of fruit and teaching her to lie about which one's which.

[mitthrawuodo]

Though I didn't want to kill the geth was the main reason I didn't choose control, but considering Joker and all that he's been through (brittle bone, losing friends and family, the collector attack and working for shep) killing EDI seems just cruel

[What a Succulent Ass]

Quite frankly, other characters have been through worse. And the galaxy is collectively suffering more than a single person ever possibly could.

[Volc19]

There was an EDI before the sexbot. The helpful, holographic EDI. The one that didn't have a suit that actually gave her a cameltoe. The EDI of ME2.

I care about that EDI. And I am convinced, that under the cliche pinnochio story and sexbot, that EDI still exists.

[GreyLycanTrope]

If it was just EDI i would deal, even though I do like her and take issue with her character being dismissed as a sexbot. Killing all synthetics for sake of convenience? With this I cannot deal.

[Sousabird]

v TricKy v wrote...

You can save a lot of people but you have to kill one of your best friends for it. Would you still push the button in real life? Let me answer that right away because you wouldnt. Nobody of us would do it. Humans are emotion driven. So seeing things with cold logic is the wrong way to do it.

I'd rather push the button then become reaper overlord or cause synthesis

[vixvicco]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I never had a serious connection with her either. I liked EDI, but sacrificing her to blow the Reapers (and the geth, although Legion one of my favorite characters) to hell never made me think twice about it or anything.

Edit: I will admit that I was bewildered with the ending (1st playthrough) and had no idea what was going on to begin with.

Same here. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Sousabird wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

You can save a lot of people but you have to kill one of your best friends for it. Would you still push the button in real life? Let me answer that right away because you wouldnt. Nobody of us would do it. Humans are emotion driven. So seeing things with cold logic is the wrong way to do it.

I'd rather push the button then become reaper overlord or cause synthesis

Because it's such a morally superior position? News flash your a monster either way, it's just a matter of personal preference detemining which one you can live with.

[agu123]

Festae9 wrote...

PLEASE ASSUME THE POSITION.

[BatmanPWNS]

Because ******, bro. Personally, I agree. Being your squadmate doesn't mean you're more important than the rest of the galaxy, it's too bad not everyone sees it that way.

[sg1fan75]

Joker was in love with her he is Shepard's buddy, it is disloyal to kill his girl. I also like Edi she evolved into having a human it was fun seeing her grow.

[clennon8]

EDI was more important to me than the geth.

[Marauder Shieldz]

Its either the Geth and EDI or trillions of other people.  One race to save ten. One character to save trillions.

[HopHazzard]

OP-The same reason they care about any other character that dies. Because they like her. Because they feel a connection to her. I get it if you don't like her, but are you really so lacking in empathy that you can't understand that some one else might?

I really liked EDI, and was sad to have to sacrifice her. That said, I'd sacrifice a lot more to stop the reapers if I had to.