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[D24O]

clennon8 wrote...

D24O wrote...

This thread again?

This post again?

Dun wurry Gooby, I r xpanded mai post to ekspleen mai thouts

[What a Succulent Ass]

clennon8 wrote...

Ask yourself, would it be better to you if the platform looked like a plain woman? If the answer to that is YES, then ask yourself why.

It would be better if it were androgynous. Even better if it were an Atlas or YMIR. Even better if it didn't exist at all. Why? Because it undermines EDI's character and was (admitted by the devs themselves) designed first and foremost to be sexually appealing. You don't even need to read the art book. The fact that they try to lampshade it by having half the male cast ogle her at some point and have one character explicitly refer to her as a sexbot should be proof enough. And that is 100% bull****.

[LinksOcarina]

Nightwriter wrote...

Might as well ask me why I even care about Data's death.

EDI's a great conduit for existential reflection and ponderings on the human experience. It's rewarding to see her growing and taking steps toward figuring out who she is and what she wants. When she finally says she would die to stop the Reapers and protect the freedoms of sentient beings it's pretty moving. She's not the most colorful robot personality-wise but I feel like she brings something to the game and I have been too involved in her evolution not to be upset that she has to die if I can live.

Well said, sir. Well said.

[DirtyPhoenix]

D24O wrote...

This thread again?

Does it really bother you that much if someone chooses a different ending than you do? its not your game, people can do what they want, as long as they can justify it to themselves. You shouldn't be pressing your end choice onto anyone. 

True dat.

I loved EDI in ME3 and she was one of the reasons I didn't pick destroy. Sue me!

[D24O]

Although I don't mind EDI having a human like body, they really should've kept the Geth like they were in 1/2. That whey we'd have two distinct types of Synthetic life, one that is trying to be like us, and one that's alien. More interesting IMO.

[Ozida]

I cared about EDI’s death as much as I cared about death of my other squadmates, like Mordin or Thane… (Well, maybe not as much as I did for Mordin, to be honest). I was sad, but it was a sacrifice worth a victory. And it’s surprises me that many people are OK with Shepard dying, but EDI’s sacrifice becomes somehow special. Yes, we lost her, but she was just one solder. I’ll make sure to put her name on the wall.

And when I say “EDI” I refer to Normandy’s computer only, to be clear. I hated that walking “Pinocchio”.

[Baa Baa]

I don't really. I mostly just feel sorry for Joker. But, I know nobody else in the game will give a **** about the Geth or EDI dying.

[clennon8]

Random Jerkface wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Ask yourself, would it be better to you if the platform looked like a plain woman? If the answer to that is YES, then ask yourself why.

It would be better if it were androgynous. Even better if it were an Atlas or YMIR. Even better if it didn't exist at all. Why? Because it undermines EDI's character and was (admitted by the devs themselves) designed first and foremost to be sexually appealing. You don't even need to read the art book. The fact that they try to lampshade it by having half the male cast ogle her at some point and have one character explicitly refer to her as a sexbot should be proof enough. And that is 100% bull****.

Well, I hear what you're saying, and I could have done without all the "VA-VA-VOOM!" comments from various squadmates myself.  But putting EDI in an androgynous platform, or an Atlas/YMIR would have made the Joker/EDImance... strange for most people.  And let's face it, the Joker/EDImance had to happen.

Modifié par clennon8, 04 août 2012 - 03:32 .

[Ozzy]

clennon8 wrote...

And let's face it, the Joker/EDImance had to happen.

No. It didn't. 
The platonic bond that they had in ME2 was much more endearing to me than the creepfest that was their ME3 relationship. I know you can tell them to be just friends in ME3 but the overtones are just very disturbing. 

[-Skorpious-]

clennon8 wrote...

I think some of you are getting too hung up on the "sexbot" thing. It was just a mobile platform that happened to be in the shape of an exaggerated feminine ideal, because, well, that's how TIM had it built. I guess the original Eva Core was a looker. Anyway, it wasn't actually a "sexbot," unless you think TIM was getting it on with hard metal.

Ask yourself, would it be better to you if the platform looked like a plain woman? If the answer to that is YES, then ask yourself why.

I was hoping for her to actually look like a machine; something that is human, yet distinctly robotic in appearance. Kinda like this -

 

[clennon8]

AstusOz wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

And let's face it, the Joker/EDImance had to happen.

No. It didn't. 
The platonic bond that they had in ME2 was much more endearing to me than the creepfest that was their ME3 relationship. I know you can tell them to be just friends in ME3 but the overtones are just very disturbing. 

I figured someone would say this.  I think the romance was pretty plainly foreshadowed.  As for the "creepfest" thing, that smacks of more judginess.

[Ozida]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I was hoping for her to actually look like a machine; something that is human, yet distinctly robotic in appearance. Kinda like this...

Did you see what they did with Tali? I wouldn’t put my hopes high for a well-thought concepts in ME3.<_<
Although EDI would work much better as on picture you've shown.

Modifié par Ozida, 04 août 2012 - 03:37 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

D24O wrote...

Although I don't mind EDI having a human like body, they really should've kept the Geth like they were in 1/2. That whey we'd have two distinct types of Synthetic life, one that is trying to be like us, and one that's alien. More interesting IMO.

Agreed. Having the Geth suddendly wanting to be more like us was stupid, especially after ME2 where Legion clearly demonstrates they were fine as they were before. They were interesting because they were so alien.

[D24O]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Agreed. Having the Geth suddendly wanting to be more like us was stupid, especially after ME2 where Legion clearly demonstrates they were fine as they were before. They were interesting because they were so alien.

Yeah. Even caught up in the initial high of victory, it bothered me a little. And with time to think back, I don't think they should've gone in that direction, especially since we already have an anthropomorphic synthetic in EDI. 

[clennon8]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Might as well ask me why I even care about Data's death.

EDI's a great conduit for existential reflection and ponderings on the human experience. It's rewarding to see her growing and taking steps toward figuring out who she is and what she wants. When she finally says she would die to stop the Reapers and protect the freedoms of sentient beings it's pretty moving. She's not the most colorful robot personality-wise but I feel like she brings something to the game and I have been too involved in her evolution not to be upset that she has to die if I can live.

Well said, sir. Well said.

It was quite well said, but never make assumptions about author gender.

[LinksOcarina]

D24O wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Agreed. Having the Geth suddendly wanting to be more like us was stupid, especially after ME2 where Legion clearly demonstrates they were fine as they were before. They were interesting because they were so alien.

Yeah. Even caught up in the initial high of victory, it bothered me a little. And with time to think back, I don't think they should've gone in that direction, especially since we already have an anthropomorphic synthetic in EDI. 

Well, the only reason they even went down that path was because they were backed in a corner, no?

If the Quarians didn't attack, the Geth would have been pretty much the same as they are. 

[D24O]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Well, the only reason they even went down that path was because they were backed in a corner, no?

If the Quarians didn't attack, the Geth would have been pretty much the same as they are. 

I know that the attack showed them a weakness, but why do the upgrades have to fundamentally change them. IMO they should've just allowed them to network together better or something, so that they could have the same mode of thinking that they had before, just smarter. I don't know how, but that's more the writers job to come up with the technobabble for it, I just disagree with the narrative direction they took seeing as we have a humanoid robot in EDI.

[What a Succulent Ass]

@Cthulhu: Well, to be fair, Garrus isn't attracted to the human form...which makes me wonder why he would even go for FemShep in the first place.

clennon8 wrote...

I figured someone would say this.  I think the romance was pretty plainly foreshadowed.  

Not really. And it didn't have to happen (and if it did, it needn't be handled in such a juvenile manner); they could have easily been vitriolic best buds who tag team troll Shepard (and each other) throughout the game. That, I would have liked to see. As it is now, Joker/EDI is just childish, creepy, and terribly developed.

As for the "creepfest" thing, that smacks of more judginess.

Again, not really. It's creepy because EDI doesn't even understand interpersonal relationships and Joker is already trying to jump her titanium bones. It's creepy because he treats her like an object and dismisses her when she expresses discomfort (DOGG, THAT'S CALLED HARASSMENT LOL). It's creepy because he doesn't at any point express any meaningful interest in her as a person. It's creepy because most of his part of the relationship revolves around his wants, need, and convenience.It's creepy because his reaction would have been the same if Eva joined Shepard's squad instead of EDI. It's just ghastly from end to end.

[Fredvdp]

I think I would have cared more about EDI and the geth's deaths if it didn't happen off-screen.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 04 août 2012 - 04:08 .

[clennon8]

Random Jerkface wrote...

@Cthulhu: Well, to be fair, Garrus isn't attracted to the human form...which makes me wonder why he would even go for FemShep in the first place.

clennon8 wrote...

I figured someone would say this.  I think the romance was pretty plainly foreshadowed.  

Not really. And it didn't have to happen (and if it did, it needn't be handled in such a juvenile manner); they could have easily been vitriolic best buds who tag team troll Shepard (and each other) throughout the game. That, I would have liked to see. As it is now, Joker/EDI is just childish, creepy, and terribly developed.

As for the "creepfest" thing, that smacks of more judginess.

Again, not really. It's creepy because EDI doesn't even understand interpersonal relationships and Joker is already trying to jump her titanium bones. It's creepy because he treats her like an object and dismisses her when she expresses discomfort (DOGG, THAT'S CALLED HARASSMENT LOL). It's creepy because he doesn't at any point express any meaningful interest in her as a person. It's creepy because most of his part of the relationship revolves around his wants, need, and convenience.It's creepy because his reaction would have been the same if Eva joined Shepard's squad instead of EDI. It's just ghastly from end to end.

Not everything you're saying is completely off-base, but much of it seems wildly exaggerated.  Yes, some of the EDI-is-a-babe stuff was juvenile, but I think it was clear that Joker cared about more than that.

Anyway, EDI ended up being one of my favorite characters in ME3.  Sacrificing her was hard.  I did it anyway, but it was tough.  It's part of the reason I'm so damn mad about the endings.  Basically, I got two choices which are ridiculous on their face, and quite possibly might even be realizations of full indoctrination, and a third choice which requires me to sacrifice all synthetics in order to prove that I think we can get along with synthetics just fine thank you very much.

Modifié par clennon8, 04 août 2012 - 04:05 .

[LinksOcarina]

D24O wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Well, the only reason they even went down that path was because they were backed in a corner, no?

If the Quarians didn't attack, the Geth would have been pretty much the same as they are. 

I know that the attack showed them a weakness, but why do the upgrades have to fundamentally change them. IMO they should've just allowed them to network together better or something, so that they could have the same mode of thinking that they had before, just smarter. I don't know how, but that's more the writers job to come up with the technobabble for it, I just disagree with the narrative direction they took seeing as we have a humanoid robot in EDI.

Fair enough I guess. To be honest the narrative direction for the Geth was brilliant to me, as it showed that a true progression for the Geth from simple grunts you kill to sophisticated, alien beings that are not necessarily bad. And the Geth achieving sentinence shows the confidence shepard and his team had in them to be trusted, instead of being more grunts to kill.

[LinksOcarina]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

And the Geth achieving sentinence shows the confidence shepard and his team had in them to be trusted, instead of being more grunts to kill.

Yeah, when I killed the geth, most of the team told me what a great thing I'd done by making that choice, and that it was good to see the geth out of the way. I'm not seeing this confidence and trust in the geth you seem to think they have.

funny, with the exception of Javik and Kaiden, everyone else seemed to like the idea of the Geth being on our side and finally being trusted by the Quarians.

At least, in my story they did. Don't know about yours.