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[Kalas Magnus]

Aurora313 wrote...

Lucrece wrote...
Why the **** are you using a sniper in platinum. Use a shotgun and stop ****ing.

So - what you're telling me is: 'Don't use the weapon that the infiltrator-class is designed for?'

Yes, I can totally see the logic in that.

Damn straight. sniper rifles are best used on infiltrators. 80% damage from cloak and a mutiplier of  x1.25. 

[vironblood]

OP has a valid point. However, sniper infiltrators are not confined by range so tactical repositioning may be a necessity when dealing with annoying teammates.

[ZombieGambit]

Why are you using a sniper rifle in Platinum anyway? Shotguns are much better and you don't have to deal with the screen shaking thing.

There, problem solved.

[megabeast37215]

steverw1975 wrote...

Think whatever you want. Shadows are fairly squishy characters. If I can wipe out groups of enemies or seriously weaken or kill a boss with an attack that prevents them shooting me to pieces, I don't consider that weak gameplay. I consider that smart gameplay. If you want to run right into the middle of a group of enemies and get shot up, go for it. Just make sure you don't talk trash to me before you do it, or you'll be bleeding out while I wipe out the guys that killed you from a safe position.

No... it's noob gameplay.

I actually spec my Shadow completely out of Electric slash... because I can do FAR FAR more damage with Tac Cloak and a good weapon with all my passives for weapon damage specced out, than I can spamming that silly power. I can also do FAR more damage with all my sword passives in fitness maxed so that Shadow Strike followed by a heavy melee instantly kills everything that isn't a boss (or a Pyro).

So now I have TC + Weapon for bosses, and Shadow Strike + Heavy Melee for mooks... and I am a far more effective player that way than some noob sitting behind a wall spamming. I also... don't screw up other players aim... which is what this thread is really all about.

[steverw1975]

vironblood wrote...

OP has a valid point. However, sniper infiltrators are not confined by range so tactical repositioning may be a necessity when dealing with annoying teammates.

OP does not have a valid point. OP is simply whining. Basically, she's saying "I like my style of gameplay and I don't like yours, so you need to change your style of gameplay to suit mine even though it doesn't make the best use of your character's talents". Nothing valid about that at all. You're a sniper, fall back and pick off whatever target you want. My Shadow's range for electric strike is 20m. If you can't snipe from further back, you really shouldn't be a sniper.

[Humming]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Hey OP, were you using an infiltrator?

Could you please stop spamming tactical cloak and use proper weapons to take down opponents? Especially when in groups with one or more players on platinum, since the cloaks interferes with the enemy targeting and thus: makes it either near impossible to not get all enemies aiming at me, resulting in a dead me and leads to the frustration of fellow players. And as we all know, Platinum is grueling and an alive player is a precious commodity we cannot afford to waste mid-waves.

Tactical Cloak means they can sneak up to and revive you. Be thankful for that. Because Platinum is grueling and an alive player is a precious commodity we cannot afford to waste mid-waves. Whatever that means.

[nicethugbert]

Dear sniper, could you please use a proper weapon? Slash/Smash are effective attacks, hitting multiply opponents through walls and staggering or setting off explosions/bursts. Why stop using it so someone can waste time with a sniper rifle?

[P1ttBu11]

Aurora313 wrote...

Lucrece wrote...
Why the **** are you using a sniper in platinum. Use a shotgun and stop ****ing.

So - what you're telling me is: 'Don't use the weapon that the infiltrator-class is designed for?'

Yes, I can totally see the logic in that.

Why not? You're asking shadow/slayer characters not to use the powers they were designed to use on crowds.

[Lucrece]

Aethyl wrote...

steverw1975 wrote...

Humming wrote...

Lucrece wrote...
Why the **** are you using a sniper in platinum. Use a shotgun and stop ****ing.

Or you can get better at the game so you don't have to use the most DPS setup to survive.
Some of us play for fun and pick combinations that are not the 'best'.

Really don't understand how some want to claim they "play for fun" and others don't because they don't play the same way the poster does. first it was the farmers, now it's anyone who wants to use a setup they feel optimizes their performance for their play style? Some of us find it fun to waste enemies and win our matches. Using our heads and finding the setup or tactics that works best for us doesn't mean we're not having fun. Trust me, if I weren't having fun I wouldn't be playing this game.

True, but some like to play as they want to play too, and being told "Use a shotgun infiltrator" is a pointless comment as well when it comes to have fun with the loadouts you want.

Everyone has his way to play, to have fun, so just let them be, as long as they are not trolling their teammates.

And it's fun for some people to spam their power instead of using a weapon. Go figure. Especially when it's such a strong skill as Slash is.

It CC's entire rooms of mobs with a damage of 1347.50 and detonating biotic effects, which is more than your crappy sniper shot that takes more than one trigger to just kill one mob.

The OP is telling Slayers that they have options besides Slash, and the same can be said of infiltrators using a shotgun.

Modifié par Lucrece, 04 août 2012 - 12:52 .

[Rick__D]

steverw1975 wrote...

Rick__D wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

You tell 'em OP. I got your back.

Spamming those two powers through walls is the new rocket glitch... a crutch for weak players.

As for Sniper Infiltrators... anyone tried the new Indra out yet on a sniper? It's Platinum viable now...

I agree its like reload cancelling. Using a game mechanic to an unitentional benefit.

Unintentional benefit? Tell me you're joking? You really don't think the bioware developers knew the power went through walls before they released the dlc? The Shadow is a great character, but you have to know how to play it. It's not meant to stand out in the open and take hit after hit. It uses stealth and sneakiness to take out it's targets. Maneuavering your character so that it can strike through cover while the enemy can't immediately hit you fits perfectly with the character's design. Nothing unintentinal about it.

I was joking. More accuratly baiting. Many snipers rely on reload cancelling which is of the same effect as using powers that go through walls behind the safety of walls.

[Y4bz1]

So basically dont use the character to its fullest potential because you want to be selfish and snipe in a Platinum game... Hmmmm NO I will not stop... Thanks for asking though...

[steverw1975]

megabeast37215 wrote...

steverw1975 wrote...

Think whatever you want. Shadows are fairly squishy characters. If I can wipe out groups of enemies or seriously weaken or kill a boss with an attack that prevents them shooting me to pieces, I don't consider that weak gameplay. I consider that smart gameplay. If you want to run right into the middle of a group of enemies and get shot up, go for it. Just make sure you don't talk trash to me before you do it, or you'll be bleeding out while I wipe out the guys that killed you from a safe position.

No... it's noob gameplay.

I actually spec my Shadow completely out of Electric slash... because I can do FAR FAR more damage with Tac Cloak and a good weapon with all my passives for weapon damage specced out, than I can spamming that silly power. I can also do FAR more damage with all my sword passives in fitness maxed so that Shadow Strike followed by a heavy melee instantly kills everything that isn't a boss (or a Pyro).

So now I have TC + Weapon for bosses, and Shadow Strike + Heavy Melee for mooks... and I am a far more effective player that way than some noob sitting behind a wall spamming. I also... don't screw up other players aim... which is what this thread is really all about.

Good for you. play how you want. I have no time, however, for noob comments about any class or build if the player uses them successfully. Again, we all have different styles, and mine is to make the best use of a character's intended play style and talents. With the set up you're talking about, why don't you just use a Krogan?

Btw, I don't just spam through walls. If there's a boss on the other sides of the wall and I know it, however, a slash or two to take away his shields doesn't hurt. I also maxed out melee and shadow strike. I left cloak and class tree at level 4 activation and maxed the others. It's just that melee, shadow strike, and electric slash are for completely different situations. I find electric slash tends to be the more useful ability during objectives.

[GallowsPole]

Killing one enemy at a time, regardless if it's one slash or one bullet is never effective. Effective against pests, like Marauders for example, but try using biotic slash when a Fury has a mob primed or an AJ has a group Reaved. Tech bursts/fire explosions from electric slash. That's being effective. Spamming the power is ineffective, using it wisely is far from it.

[megabeast37215]

steverw1975 wrote...

Good for you. play how you want. I have no time, however, for noob comments about any class or build if the player uses them successfully. Again, we all have different styles, and mine is to make the best use of a character's intended play style and talents. With the set up you're talking about, why don't you just use a Krogan?

Btw, I don't just spam through walls. If there's a boss on the other sides of the wall and I know it, however, a slash or two to take away his shields doesn't hurt. I also maxed out melee and shadow strike. I left cloak and class tree at level 4 activation and maxed the others. It's just that melee, shadow strike, and electric slash are for completely different situations. I find electric slash tends to be the more useful ability during objectives.

I will concede to you that the Slayer has no better option... but the Shadow does alot more damage the way I described.

Cloaking and then firing.. let's say.. a Harrier.. will do significantly more damage than two or even three Electric Slashes, even with a tech burst or two thrown in... and in less time. Granted.. electric slash does have the ability to hit more targets... so I can counter by saying that cloaking and then firing... a Scorpion pistol.. will do even more damage than electric slashes, and can hit/stagger multiple enemies as well.

I was amazed at the damage numbers in the power desciptions for the new Slash powers (1300+)... but Godless Paladin pointed out to me that 1000+ damage on Platinum... really isn't shat... and he's right. Using a good gun with cloak, or shadow strike + heavy melee to instantly kill a Platinum Phantom.. is a far more efficient option.

[megabeast37215]

GallowsPole wrote...

Killing one enemy at a time, regardless if it's one slash or one bullet is never effective. Effective against pests, like Marauders for example, but try using biotic slash when a Fury has a mob primed or an AJ has a group Reaved. Tech bursts/fire explosions from electric slash. That's being effective. Spamming the power is ineffective, using it wisely is far from it.

A very valid point.

[ChatmanJay]

Both the Slayer and Shadow are powerful classes and if played right they're down right unstoppable. I only spec 3 points into either slash and only them on crowds of 3 or more.

[KiraTsukasa]

I can take out four or five targets with one slash, but I'm not allowed to do that so you can shoot at one?

Hahaha!

No.

[megabeast37215]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

I can take out four or five targets with one slash, but I'm not allowed to do that so you can shoot at one?

Hahaha!

No.

That's a flat out lie and you know it... unless you're talking about Bronze, or swarmers... or someone else already had a group primed for Biotic Explosions.

You absolutely CAN NOT kill 5 fresh Platinum Marauders/Centurions/Rocket Troopers with one Slash...

[Biotic Wolf]

Raphamon wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Yes - It's fine as a last resort and you're about to be overrun, but not when everyone else is trying to aim at the very start of a wave. To me it shows a lack of gaming skill on the player's part if they depend on that one ability alone.

Snipers depend on one ability too. The ability to Snipe. What right do you have to tell people to stop using their power? Can I tell you to stop using your gun and to use proper powers instead? No? Didn't think so.

Read this. Made by OP to answer your question. Also it is hard to snipe if the screen shaking, is it not? Well I think it is, if it doesn't bother you then you must be a pretty good sniper. 

Created about 1 hour agoI didn't say 'stop using' I said 'stop spamming'. There is a massive difference. Being used every now and then is fine, especially if it results in a chain kill or spares a squadmate from getting KIAed, but spamming it/buttonmashing it against a single mook at the start of a wave is pathetic.

[steverw1975]

megabeast37215 wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

I can take out four or five targets with one slash, but I'm not allowed to do that so you can shoot at one?

Hahaha!

No.

That's a flat out lie and you know it... unless you're talking about Bronze, or swarmers... or someone else already had a group primed for Biotic Explosions.

You absolutely CAN NOT kill 5 fresh Platinum Marauders/Centurions/Rocket Troopers with one Slash...

No, but on Gold I can wipe out a nice sized group of rocket troopers, pyros, etc with two quick slashes. Nice way to clear a mob when someone needs to be revived or when they're trying to overrun you (which geth love to do). As for phantoms, I agree that ss and melee tend to work much better.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Aurora313 wrote...

Could you please stop spamming the beam slash attack and use proper weapons to take down opponents? Especially when in groups with one or more snipers on platinum, since the shockwaves interfere with aiming and thus: makes it either near impossible to aim, results in wasted ammo and leads to the frustration of fellow players. And as we all know, Platinum is grueling and ammo is a precious commodity we cannot afford to waste mid-waves.

No.

[vironblood]

steverw1975 wrote...

vironblood wrote...

OP has a valid point. However, sniper infiltrators are not confined by range so tactical repositioning may be a necessity when dealing with annoying teammates.

OP does not have a valid point. OP is simply whining. Basically, she's saying "I like my style of gameplay and I don't like yours, so you need to change your style of gameplay to suit mine even though it doesn't make the best use of your character's talents". Nothing valid about that at all. You're a sniper, fall back and pick off whatever target you want. My Shadow's range for electric strike is 20m. If you can't snipe from further back, you really shouldn't be a sniper.

Allow me to elaborate. Valid point: non stop spamming of certain powers may have a negative impact on team synergy and implicitely leads to longer clear times. We have both suggested the same reasonable solution - relocation.

[steverw1975]

Biotic Wolf wrote...

Raphamon wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Yes - It's fine as a last resort and you're about to be overrun, but not when everyone else is trying to aim at the very start of a wave. To me it shows a lack of gaming skill on the player's part if they depend on that one ability alone.

Snipers depend on one ability too. The ability to Snipe. What right do you have to tell people to stop using their power? Can I tell you to stop using your gun and to use proper powers instead? No? Didn't think so.

Read this. Made by OP to answer your question. Also it is hard to snipe if the screen shaking, is it not? Well I think it is, if it doesn't bother you then you must be a pretty good sniper. 

Created about 1 hour agoI didn't say 'stop using' I said 'stop spamming'. There is a massive difference. Being used every now and then is fine, especially if it results in a chain kill or spares a squadmate from getting KIAed, but spamming it/buttonmashing it against a single mook at the start of a wave is pathetic.

Well, if we're to limit ourselves to the OPs later comment alone, then this entire thread was a waste of time from the very beginning. Don't think I've ever seen someone spamming slash to go after one lone guy at the beginning of the wave. I've used it when only one guy was visible if I strongly suspected there were cloaked enemies there too, however.

[Whitemexican]

snipers in MP? they aren't very helpful even on infiltrators 90% of the time given map sizes and the shield gate.

if you have a spamming power, there's a reason to spam it, and considering they tend to do much more damage than a sniper will, faster (other than something like shockwave,unless someone is reaving).

just use a shotgun or a pistol, both are better than snipers, except a javelin on platinum against bosses, purely because you need the huge burst dps, but then again, pirranah/claymore/gps, this game does not suit snipers as being as good as people want

[megabeast37215]

steverw1975 wrote...

No, but on Gold I can wipe out a nice sized group of rocket troopers, pyros, etc with two quick slashes. Nice way to clear a mob when someone needs to be revived or when they're trying to overrun you (which geth love to do). As for phantoms, I agree that ss and melee tend to work much better.

But that's a good tactical way to use Slash the helps the team... and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I think where it becomes problematic is when someone just spams the Slash/Smash powers through a wall, when they don't even know if there's an enemy or not. For instance: FBW... I've seen people get behind the 'back' counter for lack of a better term... and just spam it through the wall towards the stairs. They don't even have a clue if there's an enemy there or not... they just keep the spam going just in case. Also... I've seen them get behind the wall where the 'main' counter is (outside) and spam it right through the whole inside of the room, constantly. Both scenarios really make it difficult for others to aim accuracy based weapons... it doesn't have to be a sniper rifle, how about a Saber, Paladin, Graal, etc. The screen shaking even makes me miss with my Scorpion when I use it... it will even take me off target when I'm using the Particle Rifle.

So... while the powers may be worthwhile (because they do actually have decent damage) spamming them can make things more difficult for the rest of the team... which is really all the OP was talking about. It's frowned upon because it's (for lack of a better term) rude.