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[InArts]

Lord Rosario wrote...

InArts wrote...

Or he never promoted.

If he never ever promoted and has a Paladin X legitamately without using microsoft points, then hell yeah I'd pick the other guy. This one doesn't even know how to promote. It's human nature to try something once. If they try it and don't like it, ok. If they never tried it and say they don't like it, then they aren't human.

So he must be an alien, and by being alien, he must have mad skills in a game with aliens, that's why he's the better option.

In all seriousness, though, there are people who never promote, even if they know how.  There are those who go for the highest possible N7 ranking, and then there are the weirdoes that stick with the lowest possible ranking, just to kick ass with it and prove a point.  If I could lower my rank back to 120, I'd do it.

[Lord Rosario]

InArts wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

InArts wrote...

Or he never promoted.

If he never ever promoted and has a Paladin X legitamately without using microsoft points, then hell yeah I'd pick the other guy. This one doesn't even know how to promote. It's human nature to try something once. If they try it and don't like it, ok. If they never tried it and say they don't like it, then they aren't human.

So he must be an alien, and by being alien, he must have mad skills in a game with aliens, that's why he's the better option.

In all seriousness, though, there are people who never promote, even if they know how.  There are those who go for the highest possible N7 ranking, and then there are the weirdoes that stick with the lowest possible ranking, just to kick ass with it and prove a point.  If I could lower my rank back to 120, I'd do it.

I'm actually one of those that don't promote... like at all. But As I recall, there was an event that occured not too long ago that you had to promote to get your comendation packs and vicory packs. I promoted aaaaaall of my characters [a few twice] just to help that goal.

So, not promoting [assuming they are really that good and played durring that time, which is very likely if they have a lvl 10 ultra rare] means they just didn't want to promote to help everyone out, and I don't like that Steve... I don't like that at all.

[G. P. Burdell]

Wow PUGs get a bad rap, most of them aren't all that bad really. There is still one question that has been asked multiple times but has yet to be answered:

To those arguing that playing low level characters makes you a better player, why are you then complaining about the removal of character cards?

Specifically, Ronnie has said numerous times that he is upset that the cards have been removed because he used to be able to instantly get to ~lvl 16. By his own logic though, he'd be better off working to get from lvl 1 to lvl 16 playing the game.

His argument is really playing from lvl 16 to lvl 20 makes you a better player, an argument much weaker than his original due to the fact that the difference in terms of skill between these last few levels is only a few minor enhancements that do not drastically alter playstyle.

[Liddycoat]

Juancho51 wrote...

Liddycoat wrote...

I promote when and if I feel like it, with my N7 of 178.

A high N7 doesn't make someone a great player.

A low N7 doesn't make someone a bad player.

High level guns doesn't make someone a good player.

Low level guns doesn't make someone a bad player.

This has been debated since the game came out. My 178 N7 with my Phalanx VII has beaten a 2000+ N7 with Black Widow X in score. Someone's skill is based upon just that, their skill, and until you play with them, you can't judge them accurately. I've had a 120 N7 carry my team through a Plat. run. I've had a 3000 N7 carry my team through a Plat run. N7 means nothing.

"The best players are the ones that can hang in harder difficulties with low level characters.  Having to always be lvl 20 makes you worse than a player that constantly plays at lower levels in my opinion.  The more you play with a weak character, the more you learn to keep your butt out of the fire.  The level 20s that never promote are the ones that wander off by themselves and think theyre invincible, because they forget (or never learned) how to keep themselves out of line of fire."

The N7 level doesnt necessarily matter, but it's a means to weed the new players from the old.  Seperate the good from the bad.  Whether you dont want to be associated with the bad players because of your N7 is a moot point.  You either level up and show youre a great player so you dont get mistaken for the bad players, or you deal with being judged by your low level N7 rating.

A player that stays at level 20 from the beginning and shows no drive to raise their N7 doesnt really mean theyre a bad player by any means.  But lets say i'm taking Ninjitsu classes and you start with a White belt and end with a Black belt.  If Im experienced enough to wear the Black belt, but I CHOOSE to wear the white belt because the belt color isnt important (cause im still leet), then its your fault people look at you and say, "Eh, white belt is scrub..." and dont give you the time of day.

You make your bed, you sleep in it, right?

Actually I enjoy people mistaking my low N7 for lack of skill. That way, when I carry them, it sheds light upon their bias towards those with a low N7.

Also, if it were a Martial Arts class, having black belt skills but wearing a white belt would cause those around to underestimate you, thus leading to their downfall. But that relates to PvP, not PvE.

The only meaning N7 has is what you give it.

[pmi0126]

Wow. What a self righteous doochebag. I mean we couldn't possibly think something is fun or interesting besides what you do, could we?

Tell you what, I don't auto-kick dudes for playing a lower than 20 on plat, but I'm gonna start now. Just in case they share your ridiculous point of view.

[M A F I A]

.458 wrote...

M A F I A wrote...

Yes, and a level 30 soldier with a Saber X is even better.
You failed to understand the logic of it. In my example I opposed a high level char with a crappy weapon to a low level char with a good weapon. Naturally if you compare a high level char with a low level char with the same weapon well... It's all down to accuracy and aim.

But the thread states NOBODY should play level 20, when it is the opposite in many cases and bad for the team in many. Teams can take risks for whatever fun, but it is a team decision. You are right that a good weapon on a lower level char can often do better than a high level char with a crappy weapon...it's a tradeoff people might be willing to take. But you will win absolutely NO points arguing against people playing level 20, it's just futility because many of us don't enjoy crippled characters when we've already done it...we want challenges, but not by devolving.

Actually, I don't mind people playing lvl 20s nor I actually care how others prefer to play the game of course. What I DO mind are certain players which threat all promoters/non lvl-20 as crap, claiming they outscore them all the times (forgetting the advantages they have) and claiming promoting's useless (even though some people LIKE to do that) and so on.

Juancho51 wrote...
"The best players are the ones that can
hang in harder difficulties with low level characters.  Having to always
be lvl 20 makes you worse than a player that constantly plays at lower
levels in my opinion.  The more you play with a weak character, the more
you learn to keep your butt out of the fire.  The level 20s that never
promote are the ones that wander off by themselves and think theyre
invincible, because they forget (or never learned) how to keep
themselves out of line of fire."

The N7 level doesnt necessarily
matter, but it's a means to weed the new players from the old.  Seperate
the good from the bad.  Whether you dont want to be associated with the
bad players because of your N7 is a moot point.  You either level up
and show youre a great player so you dont get mistaken for the bad
players, or you deal with being judged by your low level N7 rating

I very much agree with this.

[ShortestTallGuy]

If it's too easy for you, go play a U/U/P solo with a level 1 human engineer with only the predator. Happy now?

[M A F I A]

G. P. Burdell wrote...

Wow PUGs get a bad rap, most of them aren't all that bad really. There is still one question that has been asked multiple times but has yet to be answered:

To those arguing that playing low level characters makes you a better player, why are you then complaining about the removal of character cards?

Specifically, Ronnie has said numerous times that he is upset that the cards have been removed because he used to be able to instantly get to ~lvl 16. By his own logic though, he'd be better off working to get from lvl 1 to lvl 16 playing the game.

His argument is really playing from lvl 16 to lvl 20 makes you a better player, an argument much weaker than his original due to the fact that the difference in terms of skill between these last few levels is only a few minor enhancements that do not drastically alter playstyle.

In my case it's easy. Because I hate lvl 4 ammos as much as all the other ammos. Not only, a "rare" ammo steal the place to a rare gear which is worth infinitely more.

Blackpanfa wrote...

If it's too easy for you, go play a U/U/P solo with a level 1 human engineer with only the predator. Happy now?

I don't recall stating the game is "too easy", besides the Predator's a pea-shooter and part of the appeal of the game is using the best weapons in your arsenal so...

[Liddycoat]

M A F I A wrote...

G. P. Burdell wrote...

Wow PUGs get a bad rap, most of them aren't all that bad really. There is still one question that has been asked multiple times but has yet to be answered:

To those arguing that playing low level characters makes you a better player, why are you then complaining about the removal of character cards?

Specifically, Ronnie has said numerous times that he is upset that the cards have been removed because he used to be able to instantly get to ~lvl 16. By his own logic though, he'd be better off working to get from lvl 1 to lvl 16 playing the game.

His argument is really playing from lvl 16 to lvl 20 makes you a better player, an argument much weaker than his original due to the fact that the difference in terms of skill between these last few levels is only a few minor enhancements that do not drastically alter playstyle.

In my case it's easy. Because I hate lvl 4 ammos as much as all the other ammos. Not only, a "rare" ammo steal the place to a rare gear which is worth infinitely more.

Blackpanfa wrote...

If it's too easy for you, go play a U/U/P solo with a level 1 human engineer with only the predator. Happy now?

I don't recall stating the game is "too easy", besides the Predator's a pea-shooter and part of the appeal of the game is using the best weapons in your arsenal so...

And since part of the appeal of the game is using the best weapons, that means level 20 characters. Because they are weapons, too. Have I seen a level 15 out-score a level 20? Yeah. But it was a Fury. Spamming. On FBW/G/G. Give a level 1 any level X gun, and give a level 20 the game gun, on the same class, and I'm 100% sure that, if both players are of the same skill level, the level 20 will easily out-score the level 1, as well as contribute much more to the team.

Oh, by the way. It's a Co-Op game. The point is to contribute as much as you can to your team.

[P51Mus7ang]

LULZferBAKON wrote...

Because I have fun playing level 20 characters. Shows what you know huh?

[.458]

M A F I A wrote...

.458 wrote...

M A F I A wrote...

Yes, and a level 30 soldier with a Saber X is even better.
You failed to understand the logic of it. In my example I opposed a high level char with a crappy weapon to a low level char with a good weapon. Naturally if you compare a high level char with a low level char with the same weapon well... It's all down to accuracy and aim.

But the thread states NOBODY should play level 20, when it is the opposite in many cases and bad for the team in many. Teams can take risks for whatever fun, but it is a team decision. You are right that a good weapon on a lower level char can often do better than a high level char with a crappy weapon...it's a tradeoff people might be willing to take. But you will win absolutely NO points arguing against people playing level 20, it's just futility because many of us don't enjoy crippled characters when we've already done it...we want challenges, but not by devolving.

Actually, I don't mind people playing lvl 20s nor I actually care how others prefer to play the game of course. What I DO mind are certain players which threat all promoters/non lvl-20 as crap, claiming they outscore them all the times (forgetting the advantages they have) and claiming promoting's useless (even though some people LIKE to do that) and so on.

Juancho51 wrote...
"The best players are the ones that can
hang in harder difficulties with low level characters.  Having to always
be lvl 20 makes you worse than a player that constantly plays at lower
levels in my opinion.  The more you play with a weak character, the more
you learn to keep your butt out of the fire.  The level 20s that never
promote are the ones that wander off by themselves and think theyre
invincible, because they forget (or never learned) how to keep
themselves out of line of fire."

The N7 level doesnt necessarily
matter, but it's a means to weed the new players from the old.  Seperate
the good from the bad.  Whether you dont want to be associated with the
bad players because of your N7 is a moot point.  You either level up
and show youre a great player so you dont get mistaken for the bad
players, or you deal with being judged by your low level N7 rating

I very much agree with this.

Well I happen to agree with this...N7 doesn't matter, whether promoting or not. Low or high. I've played with many N7 of high value that were very good, and many that were complete idiots. The whole "judging" thing does work both ways, and both are bad.

I do consider character level a contributor to success after silver. Same for weapons used and buffs. Up through silver it doesn't make much difference, or at least none worth choosing teammates on. From gold on, anything too weak deserves attention from everyone affected, and there should be no offense taken when teams don't match. Ideas of what is strong or weak are wildly different all over the place, and most people here don't actually know each other, so they are snap judgements and often wrong. But what else is there? On PC at least people hardly communicate, let alone plan.

[Gav_Skin]

I've never promoted, I don't see the point.

The N7 rank means nothing to me; I'm happy to try playing with anyone at least once, regardless of thier rank. I've completed the solo campaign with the "best" ending, so have no need of the war assets. I won't actually gain anything by dropping a class to level 1; there will be no new skills to master, or abilities to gain, it would just be going through the motions again. I don't agree with the idea that it makes players better, if you haven't learned how to stay alive while levelling all the characters to 20 the first time, I can't imagine doing the same thing over & over again will make a difference.

The only point I think I would start promoting is if I manage to get to a point where I have nothing new to attain. At the moment, I'm still trying to get better equipment, weapons etc (o still don't even have all characters unlocked yet) and the easiest way to do that is on the harder difficulties, which require the higher level characters.

If there were other incentives to promoting, maybe I would reconsider. I know there was a community goal a while ago, but I wasn't playing at the time, but I might have joined in for that. Maybe if there were spectre packs awarded on promotion, or another idea I saw on a thread earlier was the option to change certain abilities (nothing crazy or game breaking, but maybe just the option to swap the male Quarian's arc grenade power for energy drain, for example).

Anyway, I can't see any of that happening any time soon, or at all, so I guess I won't be promoting anyone any time soon either.