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[Shia Luck]

Chaoswind wrote...

So I'm tired of all the threads going off in rants about how n7 is worthless and is no indicator of skill and how people that kick low n7 players are retarded.

So I've a better question; what is the point of playing with level 20 characters?

You waste exp,

For a player who does not promote, XP is pointless, so there's no 'waste' of anything.

Chaoswind wrote...
your overpowered character makes everything too easy and stale so it can't be for fun,

Too easy? How can you assume everyone's skill lvl is equal ????

What level do you play on btw? If you're not replying "platinum and I extract everytime even solo" then fail argument.

Chaoswind wrote...
the only logical answer would be to grind for credits,

Logic? This is logic???  

Chaoswind wrote...
and if that is the sole reason you play, you may as well grind fbwgg all day...

No thanks, I play for fun with my friends... not credits and certainly not for a pointless ePeen number.

Chaoswind wrote...
so the only reason you don't promote and watch how you get closer to 20k warassets  (and closer to your secret ending) is to grind for credits

You know you can get any ending you want in SP without playing MP? Or did you miss that?

Chaoswind wrote...
...how does it feel to know you are playing this game, for no reason other than a false sense of accomplishment?

I don't know.. how does it feel?  It seems to be making you angry. Perhaps you should focus on something other than unimportant numbers in the game?

Chaoswind wrote...
because you surely ain't doing it for fun.

I play to have fun with my friends both ingame and chatting with them between matches. We play themed games, try out silly challenges, make things go B00M and generally have lots of fun. The only number I care about is my character's CD. I have no idea how increasing a pointless N7 number or getting more war assets than you need equals fun for you, but if it is,

...have fun

[Razhathael]

Promoting is the stupidest mechanic in multiplayer. You promote everyone in that class instead of one of them. You always have one point already assigned to your character so at many points you have to respec every time unless you're okay with that crap. You have to assingn new names and color your characters again.

And I have no pride issues like OP clearly does, who feel they have something to prove by playing lower level characters. Heck, a lot of times on a lot of classes just having a good gun at low level can do fine. There's no point in trying to prove something so trivial.

If you had no choice but be lvl 20, you'd find other pointless things to make yourself feel better. Propably about using more Op weapons or something. It's the same principle, and in my eyes it's just as sad.

Might be a troll though, in which case, good job.

Modifié par Razhathael, 04 août 2012 - 02:59 .

[Purple People Eater]

I only play to get credits anyway, and a level 20 character is a more efficient way to do that. Promoting is completely pointless, as is having the N7 level based on doing it.

[iplay222]

How is level 20 overpowered? it is the intended maximum level of the game, you clearly don't play the highest difficulties.

Modifié par iplay222, 04 août 2012 - 03:04 .

[Flambirex]

If they made it so that if you promote you have all your skill points, instead of one stashed away in a skill, it'd be totally worth it.

[M A F I A]

Computron2000 wrote...
You got a point BUT you cannot deny that seeing 4k/3k/2k/1k n7 guys in bronze (!) with rare weapon Xs (!) really makes you roll your eyes and contributes to the entire image of high n7s sucking.

Add to many high n7s who suck in silver and some who suck in gold, that i've personally seen, i can fully understand all the eye rolling when someone proudly states they got thousands of n7 as if it shows how good they are.

I am a high N7 rating player and I don't even remember last time I played bronze or silver, I am not an awesome player but I can normally carry my weight even though the occasional game where I suck royally. There's just one tidbit though, I (as most high N7 players) am USED to play anything ranging from level 1 (which you can barely shoot and have almost no powers) to 19 (where you are close to have everything) and normally my score is proportionate to my current character level (the higher the level, the higher I score); on the other hand most non-promoter are used to play level 20 only (which means more HP, more damage, more shields, more powers) and, most of the times THAT is the reason why they outscore high N7 with low level chars.

Take for instance a sniper. A level 1 sniper has X damage with a single shot, while a level 20 damage, carrying the same rifle has a tac cloack which lasts more, +X% damage if they shoot while cloacked and so on. So, given the 2 guys have the same accuracy the higher level will require less shots to take out an enemy as opposed to the lower level character.

So, aside from the obvious exceptions, the reason why lvl 20s outscore lvl 1-19s is lvl 20s guys carry MORE PUNCH

If one really wanted to, this point could easily be proved it would be just enough that 2 non-promoters play a low level character along with 2 high N7 with same low level characters, in that scenario I am certain that most of the times the non-promoters would outscored. Why? Because they are NOT used to the challenge given by playing a low level char.

In all this, of course, there ARE exceptions to the rule such as high N7 totally unable to play and always carried out by others and non-promoters that no matter the char level will perform better. Exception though, does not take out from the theory.

Note: No pun intended to the poster I quoted, I only used it as a starting point to express my thoughts, which I know are NOT mainstream.

iplay222 wrote...

How is level 20 overpowered? it is the
intended maximum level of the game, you clearly don't play the highest
difficulties.

I do play only Gold and often Platinum and I can tell you that lvls 1-19 ARE doable in the highest difficulties. Of course it requires MUCH MORE EFFORT to win the game AND to survive every wave. Less HP/Damage/Shield means MORE running/hiding/flanking. So while lvl 20 isn't technically overpowered it does makes things MUCH EASIER, especially on higher difficulties.

Modifié par M A F I A, 04 août 2012 - 03:16 .

[thenotsothinman]

This thread is hurting my brain. I must go now.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Computron2000 wrote...

You got a point BUT you cannot deny that seeing 4k/3k/2k/1k n7 guys in bronze (!) with rare weapon Xs (!) really makes you roll your eyes and contributes to the entire image of high n7s sucking.

Add to many high n7s who suck in silver and some who suck in gold, that i've personally seen, i can fully understand all the eye rolling when someone proudly states they got thousands of n7 as if it shows how good they are.

"high N7s" that play bronze/silver aren't skilled, if they are they are hopefully playing with a friend for shyts and giggles. The game isn't difficult, no reason someone 4K should ever be in anything below gold.

"high N7s" that farm aren't skilled- speed runs don't count, but high N7s don't farm...farming is a form of easy-ing the game up to get credits easier. Having any type of skill lets you do the same thing on U/U/P,G

"high N7s" don't usually play public matches. So most negative experiances pubic gamers have aren't really with quality "high N7" players but the farmers and climbers that fail at the game when shyt hits the fan.

[iplay222]

M A F I A wrote...

iplay222 wrote...

How is level 20 overpowered? it is the
intended maximum level of the game, you clearly don't play the highest
difficulties.

I do play only Gold and often Platinum and I can tell you that lvls 1-19 ARE doable in the highest difficulties. Of course it requires MUCH MORE EFFORT to win the game AND to survive every wave. Less HP/Damage/Shield means MORE running/hiding/flanking. So while lvl 20 isn't technically overpowered it does makes things MUCH EASIER, especially on higher difficulties.

I wasn't doubting that its just the 'overpowered ' part in the OP, its not overpowered to play at maximum level, not disputing the ability to play lower level on gold/platinum. I just don't see how it is'overpowered'

Modifié par iplay222, 04 août 2012 - 03:21 .

[Computron2000]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

You got a point BUT you cannot deny that seeing 4k/3k/2k/1k n7 guys in bronze (!) with rare weapon Xs (!) really makes you roll your eyes and contributes to the entire image of high n7s sucking.

Add to many high n7s who suck in silver and some who suck in gold, that i've personally seen, i can fully understand all the eye rolling when someone proudly states they got thousands of n7 as if it shows how good they are.

"high N7s" that play bronze/silver aren't skilled, if they are they are hopefully playing with a friend for shyts and giggles. The game isn't difficult, no reason someone 4K should ever be in anything below gold.

"high N7s" that farm aren't skilled- speed runs don't count, but high N7s don't farm...farming is a form of easy-ing the game up to get credits easier. Having any type of skill lets you do the same thing on U/U/P,G

"high N7s" don't usually play public matches. So most negative experiances pubic gamers have aren't really with quality "high N7" players but the farmers and climbers that fail at the game when shyt hits the fan.

So maybe you should convince the other masses of high n7s who suck to not suck so much (and get out of Bronze, LOL) rather than trying to convince peeps that the "skilled" high n7s aren't visible because they all play private games.

[Sousabird]

Hmmm, I could play as a low level character with less powers, or I could play with my maxed characters, I don't grind credits and I believe there is no point to the N7 rank so I don't see a reason, war assets? I got like 5k with only 2 promotions. So I don't really see any point when I play with my friends I like to be a BENEFIT to the team.

[JamieCOTC]

ME3 MP is fun for me, but only in spurts. I binge play for about 3 days then won't touch it for days (or weeks). When I started playing MP, I set a goal of 1500 N7 Ops and I'd stop promoting. Honestly, grinding from level 1 to level 20 over and over and over and over again is just not fun for me. ME3 MP is tedious enough at times. I don't wish to make it more so.

[SGsunny]

If it'd make anyone feel better, I must confess that the point of playing a level 20 character (in addition to other adv. that I've mentioned earlier) is that it makes my gaming life easier (because real life is so tough on me that I lean heavily on the easy aspect of my gaming life and it makes me feel like I can conquer the world, if not the universe)

There's no right or wrong answer and I don't get why people are so passionate about how others choose to play the game? (for both sides of the N7 camp are so insistent that each holds the truth to this MP...let's ask Commander Shepard to make the choice for humanity).

*If anyone wants a real challenge, let me leech on your Platinum game ok?  And by that I don't mean that I'll seat in a corner; I'll run all over the map dying and waiting for you to brave your way through the dangers to revive me, like a damsel-in-distress...

Modifié par SGsunny, 04 août 2012 - 03:39 .

[AshirahTSparkle]

Just because we don't play lower levels characters often, it makes us crap. What awesome logic. Thank God I only play with friends on Gold and Platinum, don't need to deal with this "ZOMG YOU PLAY WRONG" crap.

I am Commander Shepard and i say shut up and play the game however you want. Keep your epeen elsewhere.

Modifié par AshirahTSparkle, 04 août 2012 - 03:36 .

[Gionell44]

Chaoswind wrote...



So I'm tired of all the threads going off in rants about how n7 is worthless and is no indicator of skill and how people that kick low n7 players are retarded.

So I've a better question; what is the point of playing with level 20 characters?

You waste exp, your overpowered character makes everything too easy and stale so it can't be for fun, the only logical answer would be to grind for credits, and if that is the sole reason you play, you may as well grind fbwgg all day... so the only reason you don't promote and watch how you get closer to 20k warassets  (and closer to your secret ending) is to grind for credits in a behavior that many games have used  to trap and sometimes kill people with questionable mental health... 

Well good job in unlocking all the game has to offer (or breaking lots of crap in fits of rage because you are almost over 9000 level 4 consumables), how does it feel to know you are playing this game, for no reason other than a false sense of accomplishment? because you surely ain't doing it for fun.

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To me nothing beats changing playstyles as you level up; is great to play the asari vanguard sniper at level 1 and then switch to asari cqc with a claymore at level 10.

Adjusting your playstyle as you level up, and trying new builds from scratch is as much fun or funner than playing on the casino roulette and somehow win 5 times in a row, because odds say you won't have any fun, when you get a level 4 cryo ammo instead of the demolisher you wanted.

the only reason i play with level 20 characters are for platinum dificulties, i always promote characters to max my bar but i do it to keep leveling up the n7 rank still there are a lot people playing for fun and they dont give a **** about leveling up or promoting characters  so your idea about telling people how they play is dumb you should respect both the people that play with level 20 characters and people that just keep promoting is the way they play for fun

[Aaron360]

This is the most dysfunctional community in the gaming world. People telling us how to play, why it's good to promote, why it's bad to promote, stop using those powers they shake the screen, quit kill stealing, nerf this, buff that....blah blah blah blah blah....

It's pathetic.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Computron2000 wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

You got a point BUT you cannot deny that seeing 4k/3k/2k/1k n7 guys in bronze (!) with rare weapon Xs (!) really makes you roll your eyes and contributes to the entire image of high n7s sucking.

Add to many high n7s who suck in silver and some who suck in gold, that i've personally seen, i can fully understand all the eye rolling when someone proudly states they got thousands of n7 as if it shows how good they are.

"high N7s" that play bronze/silver aren't skilled, if they are they are hopefully playing with a friend for shyts and giggles. The game isn't difficult, no reason someone 4K should ever be in anything below gold.

"high N7s" that farm aren't skilled- speed runs don't count, but high N7s don't farm...farming is a form of easy-ing the game up to get credits easier. Having any type of skill lets you do the same thing on U/U/P,G

"high N7s" don't usually play public matches. So most negative experiances pubic gamers have aren't really with quality "high N7" players but the farmers and climbers that fail at the game when shyt hits the fan.

So maybe you should convince the other masses of high n7s who suck to not suck so much (and get out of Bronze, LOL) rather than trying to convince peeps that the "skilled" high n7s aren't visible because they all play private games.

i dont ever want to meet a 4k n7 that plays bronze. Not saying all skilled high N7s play private games.Though, they wont dare waste they're time in a public lobby unless they have no other choice either.

Also just so you know, a few high N7s have been victum of the "jebus is here" mindset public randoms seem to have. (Its the reason I get to play level 1s on gold.) Having high N7 is also a curse. People think because you have a high N7 you can solo an entire game on your own. The curse of this is that if the mission fails high N7s are the blame for the entire team, when no matter what way you look at it, the game is a co-op and if everyone isnt in it to win, you lose. I've had a couple pub lobbies where the host changed the game from gold to platinum after joining, simply because they though since my N7 rank was "high," they could bring they're level 2 phaestons and predators into platinum.

Modifié par Ronnie Blastoff, 04 août 2012 - 03:48 .

[Purple People Eater]

Aaron360 wrote...

This is the most dysfunctional community in the gaming world. People telling us how to play, why it's good to promote, why it's bad to promote, stop using those powers they shake the screen, quit kill stealing, nerf this, buff that....blah blah blah blah blah....

It's pathetic.

T H I S ! ! !

[MWaHa]

This is one of the finest jobs trolling I have seen on this forum so far.

8.5/10, OP. Next time, try to be funnier. (I wouldn't read again because there are too few lulz.)

[.458]

Doing the whole level over again thing is nice once or twice, but after that is more pointless than your point on 20. Level 20 isn't the fault. Here's the issue: We want to grow and have accomplishment. We want to feel we've done something. Getting better at what we do has more to do with it than being handicapped. I suppose someone gets a thrill out of downgrading, but personally I'd like the game to improve and become more complex, to match ME. Your approach fails miserably and utterly to be more than just work after a point. No fun.

[jancz89]

you should make another thread about how people should play their Shepards

[benj919]

Ok I'll bite... playing computer/console games is pointless and you shouldn't do it

... or how about everyone does what s/he likes?

[Torguemada]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
1st there is a reward in promoting. Getting to play a level 1 class in a public gold lobby with a bunch of level 20s because they are amazed by your N7 being so high.

Wow, did you finally find someone to carry you throught a gold match.
You must be so proud of yourself.
Did they kick your crup ass instantly after the match ended?

Modifié par Torguemada, 04 août 2012 - 04:03 .

[Astartes Marine]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
1st there is a reward in promoting.
Getting to play a level 1 class in a public gold lobby with a bunch of
level 20s because they are amazed by your N7 being so high.

If I see a level 1 in a gold game, regardless of N7 or weapon loadout they get a red X from me.  I don't care how highly you think of yourself, red X.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Know what else is pointless? Thinking I'm telling someone how to play the game when it was actually people like YOU who caused the CCs to get slashed in the first place. Thus forcing people like me to have to cope with the way YOU play.

You are telling people how you think they should play.  They obviously disagree.  Too bad if you don't like that.

Computron2000 wrote...
You got a point BUT you cannot deny
that seeing 4k/3k/2k/1k n7 guys in bronze (!) with rare weapon
Xs (!) really makes you roll your eyes and contributes to the entire
image of high n7s sucking.

Okay the bronze part is pretty crazy sure, I'm an N7 2k+ and I play silver most of the time because I simply enjoy it.  No shield-gate, not too bad on boss spam, more weapon/class combos can be viable (even the Avenger can be used on Silver and not suck...well not too much).

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
"high N7s" that play bronze/silver aren't skilled, if they are they are hopefully playing with a friend for shyts and giggles. The game isn't difficult, no reason someone 4K should ever be in anything below gold.

I don't care for Gold at all.  Plenty of limitations on what class/weapon combos along with shield-gate (though I have yet to try it since the balance change), random players are not consistently dependable, etc etc.
Only reasons I'd play Gold are for credits or weekend events.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 04 août 2012 - 04:09 .