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[AwesomeDudex64]

I do what I want, op.

[OGWS]

LULZferBAKON wrote...

Because I have fun playing level 20 characters. Shows what you know huh?

Heh should've ended right here

[Prince Bubblegeth]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...
There is absolutely no reward in promoting, except having war assets, but who cares about them, you can get the best end without promoting once.

-No packs for promoting?
-No credits for promoting?

= 

-No packs for extraction
-No credits for extraction 

= 

POINTLESS.

You can have fun promoting your character if you want, but I find it useless. Don't tell others how to play the game.

1st there is a reward in promoting. Getting to play a level 1 class in a public gold lobby with a bunch of level 20s because they are amazed by your N7 being so high.
2nd, you really wanna know whats pointless? Playing a game that gives you XP more than anything in the game, and not using it and calling it pointless. Not using CCs because getting back to level 16 with every class from level 1 is without even having to play, is pointless.
Know what else is pointless? Thinking I'm telling someone how to play the game when it was actually people like YOU who caused the CCs to get slashed in the first place. Thus forcing people like me to have to cope with the way YOU play.
Just now I realized what I'm doing is pointless as well, you clearly don't see beyond the average persons perspective. So church to you.

There you go. So that is fun for you. That and changing playstyles as you level up. 

Okay......

I see that you are bitter about reduntand CCs being gone. 

About the character cards - People, especially those not as hardcore and amazing as you (in other words, those who just wanna get to unlock new toys and play them), were frustrated due to continuously getting character cards when they can be unlocking new toys instead. Not everyone has a lot of time.

So you see, the clash of interests is as follows:

Getting to play a level 1 class in a public gold lobby with a bunch of level 20s because they are amazed by your N7 being so high  [(an interest that you have)

                                                                                versus

Being less frustrated because you get  to unlock new things more quickly so you can at last play them and you won't have to feel like your time was somehow wasted because you unlocked nothing new. (an interest that a lot of casual gamers have)

Now think of it. Which one is more justifiable? 


About always playing level 20 being pointless - I will not further waste my time explainging why it's not. Reading the thread, I see that attempting to aid you in understanding such a mysterious phenomenon would be in vain. 

However, I will spend some time explaining why I do it. I leave it to you to evaluate whether it's pointless. First, I am a very busy student and I don't have time to level up. I like playing on Gold and I find Silver really boring so I stick to my level 20 characters because I want to be the best team player I can be. I know that I will be wasting not only my time if we fail but also time of other people - not AI. I want to be able to play any character I want without having to worry about that whenever I have time. I've tried playing Gold without any med-gel and it felt awful just being unable to revive myself, leaving the rest to fend for themselves. I know that using a character not in its maximum potential can contribute to failure, just as playing without medi-gel can. I want to be able to contribute as much as possible to every team that I join. With all of those in consideration, I don't promote characters. I don't care about other players' N7 levels - I'll play with anyone who has a reasonable loadout.   

Being a good team-player has always been my main source of enjoyment. I immensely enjoy moments of teamwork during matches.  It makes me proud and warm and fuzzy at the same time. I also feel proud topping matches while all my teammates are N7 level 1K-2K+, all at level 20. Proving myself through performance is much more desirable to me than showing off a high N7 level. However, I am not a slave to that. That is not why my N7 stays low. It's just a perk 

Modifié par Prince Bubblegeth, 04 août 2012 - 06:14 .

[MingoStarr]

AshirahTSparkle wrote...

MingoStarr wrote...

The 1 single thing that bugged me about this thread... "Anyways"
The word was used multiple times, and this is incorrect.
The word you're looking for is "Anyway"
No 's'


Now for the topic, I don't promote because I don't like forcing my gold/platinum teammates to carry me. And I have lots of fun. So, thanks for trying to tell me how to play, but I reject your opinion and will stick to mine.

I would have agreed with you back then and bewildered by why people keep using anyways. But you know... anyways is grammatically correct for some reason I do not understand. So yeah, it is used correctly.

"Anyways" is considered slang though, and should be avoided. The english language is always evolving, and accepting "anyways" as grammatically correct is indeed in the works, but not just quite yet.

The rule of thumb here is, is this a word I should use in a job interview? Using "anyways" will have bring upon a negative result.

So yeah, it's okay to use it (try to avoid it though), I'm just trying to help

[Torni06]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
Your problem? Oh you think I'm saying how other people are playing the game wrong. Wow shut the front door! I don't care how other people play. Im pissed because since people like you complained about how useless something was, I had to change the way I played. (Character Cards). I never said people not promoting were playing the game wrong. But you know what? PEOPLE WHO DIDNT PROMOTE ARE THE REASON I HAD TO CHANGE MY GAMEPLAY. F8ckin azzclowns.

I don't understand why you had to change your gameplay because of players not promoting.. I'm really interested, not trying to troll.

[Shadow Shep]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

"high N7s" that play bronze/silver aren't skilled, if they are they are hopefully playing with a friend for shyts and giggles. The game isn't difficult, no reason someone 4K should ever be in anything below gold.

"high N7s" that farm aren't skilled- speed runs don't count, but high N7s don't farm...farming is a form of easy-ing the game up to get credits easier. Having any type of skill lets you do the same thing on U/U/P,G

"high N7s" don't usually play public matches. So most negative experiances pubic gamers have aren't really with quality "high N7" players but the farmers and climbers that fail at the game when shyt hits the fan.

Is this fact, or just your wild speculation?  It seems to me that you're making a lot of assumptions, and speaking on behalf of so many people that you do not actually know.  It's best to stay away from making assumptions, I'm sure you know the old saying. 

[Zero132132]

I have more fun with access to all of my powers than I do with just using a gun and maybe one power. I don't really like shooters. Why would I want to force myself into being effective with only weapons? Why would that be fun to me?

[palker]

Thanks for enlightening me OP. I now realize how wrong i was to play with maxed out characters but now i can see the error of my ways and i am going to promote all my classes right now and after that i shall promote as soon as i hit lvl 20 if not sooner so i can bring my N7 rating to 95649844.

[Prince Bubblegeth]

Zero132132 wrote...

I have more fun with access to all of my powers than I do with just using a gun and maybe one power. I don't really like shooters. Why would I want to force myself into being effective with only weapons? Why would that be fun to me?

[WMcAlister]

This thread is worthless, you shouldn't have made it.

Not too pleasant a thing to say, right?  That's how the OP comes off man.

Didn't bother to read through the whole thing after the first post, but I can't imagine I was the first one to say this.

Modifié par WMcAlister, 04 août 2012 - 05:53 .

[Static62]

I primarily play power users, Human Engineers with their adorable balls to be precise. Playing my cuddly little guys after a recent promotion just feels sluggish: my powers take longer to recharge, I have fewer of them, I go down in three shots regardless of my gear or the difficulty, and so forth. Essentially I'm forcing myself to play an extremely gimped version of a gun using class, sticking to cover and shooting as at best I can tell Ball to attack things and maybe overload once every four seconds.

I don't like it, and I don't think I'm alone.

That said, when I do promote for weekend challenges or when I run out of reset cards I usually stick to silver until level 12+ simply because I don't think I'm doing anyone an amazing service by bringing a semi-functional character into a match that theoretically requires my B+ game.

Wasting the experience is really a non-issue for me. I absolutely fell in love with this repetitive multiplayer thing when the demo came out, and it's largely the only thing I've done since launch. I didn't even bother to beat the single player portion of the game. The assets do me no good.

I'm going to assume the OP and Ronnie will disagree with me and call me stupid or some other term they cook up, then blame me for why they can't have nice things or character cards, but the question was asked. This is my answer.

[Felhand]

Well there is something wrong with the fact that I need to do this but I suppose they do say there are no stupid questions so I will cut up Chaoswind's post into a Q&A format that im so fond of.

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Q: what is the point of playing with level 20 characters? 
A: Fundamentaly its to bring the strongest (or most complete) build available to a game, this is often a IMPORTANT edge when pugging even silver games while its inconsiderate outright to bring a low character to a gold or plat game.

Q:But a level20 character wastes xp and is overpowered, whats the point?
A:Experience is only wasted if your interested in raising you n7 rating, while a character thats 20 will surely be overpowered in bronze and silver a level 5 Fury for example will be nearly worthless on platinium. 

Q:
how does it feel to know you are playing this game, for no reason other than a false sense of accomplishment? 
A:While I would like to think this question has some deeper meaning behind it im afraid not everyone plays Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer for the same reasons as everyone else, some people want to unlock all the rare weapons while others may simply want to have a large N7 rating. Many just want to play in the mass effect universe with other real people, some want to play with friends they know and others are seeking new aquantences but one thing is true for all: Its their game so long as they play by the rules who are we to judge?

Q: If I enjoy leveling characters and using different playstyles each time, why cant everyone else?
A: Many people feel like this, but with so many classes and the playstyles each brings there is very little reason to repeatedly change a single character and for those times a player wants to drasticly change a level 20 character, thats what respec cards are for.

Q:But at least leveling a character is fun, how is gambling with credits fun when all you get is IV consumables?
A:While no one enjoys spending hours playing only to repeatedly get pairs of Cryo IV ammo and Incendiary IV ammo these types of players get their reward from seeing the shiney black cards that sometimes pop up. These are called 'ultra rare' cards, and much like collecting real cards aquiring a hard to get or rare card is a rewarding experience...the main difference of course is that real trading cards are immediatly sealed protected and treated like savings bonds while ultra rares in ME3MP are like the stock market, up and down constantly and you never know when its going to crash!

[Zhuinden]

Chaoswind wrote...
So I'm tired of all the threads going off in rants about how n7 is worthless and is no indicator of skill and how people that kick low n7 players are retarded.

So I've a better question; what is the point of playing with level 20 characters?

You waste exp, your overpowered character makes everything too easy and stale so it can't be for fun, the only logical answer would be to grind for credits, and if that is the sole reason you play, you may as well grind fbwgg all day... so the only reason you don't promote and watch how you get closer to 20k warassets  (and closer to your secret ending) is to grind for credits in a behavior that many games have used  to trap and sometimes kill people with questionable mental health... 

Well good job in unlocking all the game has to offer (or breaking lots of crap in fits of rage because you are almost over 9000 level 4 consumables), how does it feel to know you are playing this game, for no reason other than a false sense of accomplishment? because you surely ain't doing it for fun.
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To me nothing beats changing playstyles as you level up; is great to play the asari vanguard sniper at level 1 and then switch to asari cqc with a claymore at level 10.

Adjusting your playstyle as you level up, and trying new builds from scratch is as much fun or funner than playing on the casino roulette and somehow win 5 times in a row, because odds say you won't have any fun, when you get a level 4 cryo ammo instead of the demolisher you wanted.

Question regarded bold text: How exactly is grinding for EXP any different from grinding for Credits?
You're still playing a game that on the long run serves no purpose to obtain a higher quantity of a virtual number, and feeling rewarded by doing so. I don't see the diference.

Statement regarding italic text: It can be for fun.

Answer to your question: Because I personally like using my characters to maximum potential. Thus, I make a build that is super effective - the best I can come up with for a class - and use it at level 20.
I don't really care about exp, considering the game ending isn't really something I find worth grinding for. I prefer the usage of maximized level skills, the way a character is meant to play out after being levelled up. Simple.

[Titus Thongger]

Go play platinum

Then talk

[OblivionDawn]

Playing with incomplete builds when you don't have to is pointless, you shouldn't do it.

[Psycho Pisces]

The only time I promote is when I find it difficult understanding a build posted on the forums and I want to give it a chance.. Otherwise I'm playing for the fun of gunning down things with big and showy weapons?

[Chaoswind]

Charles would agree with me

Thanks for pointing out the incorrect use of the word anyways, I learned most of my English in the interwebs and on RPGs, so the only thing I know is that I know nothing.

Now people can get a glimpse of how annoying it is when all the low N7 players keep going off about how promoting is worthless and how they are much more leet than you, and how it is impossible to play a mid/low level character in gold/plat and still score second or first.

Yes, we know we could do better if we played with our super level 20, but that will never make you a better player, the things I have learned to do because the enemies kill me just by looking at me are far more important than making the most OP build I can by maximizing my DPS and burst DPS.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Because some of us like being able to get things done.

[Omega2079]

Chaoswind wrote...


...your overpowered character makes everything too easy and stale so it can't be for fun, the only logical answer would be to grind for credits, and if that is the sole reason you play, you may as well grind fbwgg all day...

Why not platinum difficulty if it's so easy?

Or why even farm?

[Computron2000]

Chaoswind wrote...
Yes, we know we could do better if we played with our super level 20, but that will never make you a better player, the things I have learned to do because the enemies kill me just by looking at me are far more important than making the most OP build I can by maximizing my DPS and burst DPS.

Actually everything you could learn with a level 1 in pugs could be learnt by soloing that difficulty level.

[Lord Rosario]

I could easily have my rank up in the thousands by now, but I just don't like losing what I worked for just for a little number next to my name. I worked to get my character up to lvl 20, all his abilities to where they are. I don't see a fun reason to do it over and over and over and over again just for a bigger number next to my name.

[Arppis]

Level 20 character doesn't need leveling up, thus I like it. I actualy dislike the act of leveling up... most of the time. If I am playing the game for the first time, it's fun, but not anymore at second.

[Chaoswind]

Computron2000 wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...
Yes, we know we could do better if we played with our super level 20, but that will never make you a better player, the things I have learned to do because the enemies kill me just by looking at me are far more important than making the most OP build I can by maximizing my DPS and burst DPS.

Actually everything you could learn with a level 1 in pugs could be learnt by soloing that difficulty level.

actually you are very wrong, is a WHOLE different game when you are soloing, and in many ways IT IS easier than matches with terribad PUGs (map dependand).

There are things you only notice when you can't roll stomp enemies, things you are forced to learn because the tools available to you are limited, while I agree that there are things you can better notice when soloing (enemy detection and how you can use stealth in this game), that hardly helps you when you are playing with bad PUGs.

[jd641]

steverw1975 wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Playing at level 20 and not promoting is probably the reason 90% of the population on this game are trash. Playing at the top level all the time takes away a lot of the consequences of the game in terms of playstyle. Since the CC slash I've become a much better player. Don't have as many tools to drop enemies so I think of other ways. I never "flanked" enemies before CC slash.

I've been thinking for a while on why people don't promote (by a while I mean 2 seconds) Got a list of things that would cause someone not to promote.

-Not being to good a player (being trash) and playing at level 1 would seem like a nightmare.
-Having a level 1 in a gold lobby with less than N7 3000 would usually mean instant kick.
-Not seeing a reward in promoting -( There is a reward, war assets, the game is a singleplayer RPG)
-Being to stup...erm closeminded to realize CCs could get every class back to 16 in a easy cycle as long as you saved credits for after you promoted every class.
-Being another lamb in the flock. "not promoting cause your buddie thinks its stupid"

Edit


This actually describes Xbox 360 pub, non promoters, people that run into crossfire, and everything else that plauges shooter games. Thank you Bruce Willis.

Sorry, neither I nor anyone else has anything to prove to you. I've leveled up enough times to show that I know how. As for my gameplay, I'm much more likely to be the one carrying a group than be carried by them. So, you know where you can shove those trash comments. I hope you have the same gamertage in game, so I can avoid joining up with you. You really come off as one one those selfish players who cares more about boosting his score than helping the team succeed.

Btw, there is no reward to promoting for me. My war assets don't need any additional boosts. See, I know how to do side quests. Between my assets earned in game, the assets I have from the promoting I did do, and my rather high readiness rate, I have more than enough war assets for the best outcomes well before I get to the end of the game. So, what do I really get from promoting? I've done it enough times to get bored with it, plain and simple.

Are you kidding me? This is a co-op game man, if you don't level up and aren't the best player in the world at killing AI bots, you're complete trash. No excuses.