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[dirty console peasant]

 So in his now infamous lockdown post yesterday that I will not quote here, Chris Priestly said that we, the "unhappy" fans should take our business elswhere.  There are a few problems with that the first being that there is no equivalant to bioware, no one else makes games of the caliber that bioware used to, and up to the ending did make with ME3.  The other problem is that I have already dropped $70-$80 (bought the collectors edition) on this game, now to most people that may not be a large chunk of their disposable income, but I am a college student working part time, and to me it is quite a bit of my income, that I am never getting back.  I do not think it is too much to expect to recieve what was advertised, and what I got was not what BIoware advertised before launch.

Bioware if you would just swallow your pride and give us an acceptable ending instead of polishing the turd that was the original ending.  Most of the "hater" threads would go away.  I may even be willing to pay up to $5 for an ending exclusive dlc, after confirming that it actually did what was promised and gave us somethng other than accepting starjars logic in order to attain "victory", and no the current refuse ending is not "victory" because the entire current cycle still dies, even if you have an EMS close to 8000, in other words your hard work in doing everything is not rewarded, like it was advertised.

Please just fix the mess that you created,  I do not belive that anyone would think the worse of you for it.
I loved ME1 it was what got me hooked on the series, I enjoyed ME2 quite a bit (too much focus on shooter elements, not enough on RPG) but it was still a great game and I bought every story dlc for both.  ME3 was great until I reached the end and then once my immersion was broken by that stupid child I started to find other flaws in the game (too much autodialogue, fetch quests, no exploration, etc.)  I do not hate ME3 as a game,  I love the other two games in the series.  I post so many threads and comments on this forum complaining about this game because it failed to live up to the advertising campaign and the previous two installments in the series. To paraphrase the jimquisition I rage, because I love.

here is the episode that I was referencing
www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6098-I-Hate-Videogames-Because-I-Love-Them
And here, we, go ...

Modifié par Shepard Cmdr, 04 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[-Skorpious-]

We all paid for a complete game. Was it what we expected? No. Was part of it due to Bioware's misleading press statements? Yes.

Bioware attempted to address our concerns with the EC, so I have moved on from any desires to see the ending changed, but what hasn't changed - what no DLC can change - is an admittance from Bioware developers that their misleading comments have reasonably upset their fanbase.

We don't need a new ending - we need honesty and humility from one of the greatest goddamned developers in the industry.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 04 août 2012 - 04:30 .

[Iakus]

Though I largely agree, I think Bioware is done listening, if they ever were listening to begin with 

Modifié par iakus, 04 août 2012 - 04:31 .

[Ozida]

I do not think they will do other endings at this point. BioWare rejected to accept their mistakes from start and just moved on along with people who liked the game. They turned us against each other and made profit from it.

I honestly encourage all unsatisfied customers, like myself, do the best we can do now: do not spend money with them. For instance, I just saw this beautiful CE guide book with all the characters design and marvelous images of planets. Just great for any ME fan! Haven’t bought though despite all the desire. I am done spending money with them and have moved on as well.

[dirty console peasant]

-Skorpious- wrote...

We all paid for a complete game. Was it what we expected? No. Was part of it due to Bioware's misleading press statements? Yes.

Bioware attempted to address our concerns with the EC, so I have moved on from any desires to see the ending changed. But what hasn't changed - what no DLC can change - is an admittance from Bioware developers that their misleading comments have reasonably upset their fanbase.

We don't need a new ending - we need honesty and humility.

In my case and obviously quite a few others the EC did nothing to fix the ending it simply polished the turd.  If they were to simply add in a conventional victory for example it would fix quite a few problems with the game, because then your choices could matter, depending on how they do it, also they could implment the EMS in a better fashion.  An apology would go quite a way, but they can and should fix the ending.

[The Edge]

I don't think that we can "order" Bioware to do anything. The game is done, and for some people (including myself), it wasn't very satisfactory. It's about time to take the blow and move on to something better (in the series or in something else).

However, fans should be allowed to express dissapointment. The amount of hate that the ending of Mass Effect generated should be a sign that SOMETHING went wrong. At that point, I would think that steps would be taken to listen, to understand, and to say that "hey, we hear you, and we will keep it in mind moving forward". Cutting off negative feedback hurts everyone in the longrun, because how will you get better if you don't know what went wrong?

With that said, blatant hate and cap locks aren't going to help anyone. As long as we are civil and polite (and hopeful/trustful in Bioware to do their job), I don't see why criticism can't continue. It's (ideally) not to satisfy us, but to make Bioware a better developer.

[arial]

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

[Conniving_Eagle]

Don't worry, they'll lock this down without reason as well.

[dirty console peasant]

arial wrote...

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

did you really just compare us angry fans to terrorists?

[RocketManSR2]

arial wrote...

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

Comparing unhappy customers to terrorists? Really? Also, what was the exact quote, TC? Could you link me to the topic? I came back here after quite awhile just to see that Chris basically told those of us who are still unhappy with the mess that Mass Effect 3 is to go f*** ourselves. Really, BioWare? Wow, you've really hit rock bottom. I hope you go out of business.

- Btw, Chris, I will do just that.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 04 août 2012 - 04:48 .

[clennon8]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

arial wrote...

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

did you really just compare us angry fans to terrorists?

Yes. Indeed he did.

[mad825]

I think you're missing the point, they got the point and exploiting it.

[arial]

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

[Marauder Shieldz]

Nobody has put it better in the five / six months this game has been out. Well done OP. Well done, indeed.

[The Angry One]

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 août 2012 - 04:49 .

[Sajuro]

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

I'm tired of whining man children too, but your post was about governments not dealing with terrorists, you should release some EC to clarify what you meant.

[arial]

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

no, video game companies exist to make money, just like any company does. pleasing fans is just a bonus, not a goal.

[-Skorpious-]

arial wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

no, video game companies exist to make money, just like any company does. pleasing fans is just a bonus, not a goal.

...but if you don't please fans nobody buys your games anymore. 

[arial]

Sajuro wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

I'm tired of whining man children too, but your post was about governments not dealing with terrorists, you should release some EC to clarify what you meant.

what I mean is, terrorists make demands ordering governments to "do what we want or else"

and fans are basicly saying "remake the ending, or else", the else in this case being not buying future products

[Eryri]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

 To paraphrase the jimquisition I rage, because I love.

snip

I agree with you here. The reason I'm still making comments on these forums months after the game released is because of the contrast between how much I loved 90% of the game and loathed the other 10%.

It's the squandered potential that is so distressing. The game could be an absolute classic with such a small change, and Bioware could be hailed as masters of storytelling.

If you'll forgive a slightly over the top analogy, (I can't think of a better one at the moment), it's like seeing your straight-A-student niece or nephew, suddenly decide to drop out and become a new age crystal healer or something. You're horribly disappointed because you know they could be so much more, and you feel duty bound to nag them until they see sense!

[The Angry One]

arial wrote...

no, video game companies exist to make money, just like any company does. pleasing fans is just a bonus, not a goal.

Really? Really?

How the hell do you think a videogame makes money if not by pleasing it's fans?
If a videogame is not pleasing, it will not make money. The only reason ME3 made so much money is because it came off the backs off ME1 and ME2, which were pleasing.

[Conniving_Eagle]

arial wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

no, video game companies exist to make money, just like any company does. pleasing fans is just a bonus, not a goal.

Here's a business 101 tip for any company: don't ****** off your consumers.

[Marauder Shieldz]

Eryri wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

 To paraphrase the jimquisition I rage, because I love.

snip

I agree with you here. The reason I'm still making comments on these forums months after the game released is because of the contrast between how much I loved 90% of the game and loathed the other 10%.

It's the squandered potential that is so distressing. The game could be an absolute classic with such a small change, and Bioware could be hailed as masters of storytelling.

If you'll forgive a slightly over the top analogy, (I can't think of a better one at the moment), it's like seeing your straight-A-student niece or nephew, suddenly decide to drop out and become a new age crystal healer or something. You're horribly disappointed because you know they could be so much more, and you feel duty bound to nag them until they see sense!

This is why i'm still here too. 

[MegaSovereign]

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

No actually they exist to make profit.

Don't try to romanticize capitalism.