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[essarr71]

arial wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

no, video game companies exist to make money, just like any company does. pleasing fans is just a bonus, not a goal.

I've got an awesome bridge to sell you.

[AresKeith]

arial wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

no, video game companies exist to make money, just like any company does. pleasing fans is just a bonus, not a goal.

its our money that helps them make games, without fans they have no games, pleasing fans is a big part in the Video Games

[Applepie_Svk]

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

By his logic it will be now same like dealing with terrorist...

AresKeith wrote...

arial wrote...
no, video game companies exist to make money, just like any company does. pleasing fans is just a bonus, not a goal.

its our money that helps them make games, without fans they have no games, pleasing fans is a big part in the Video Games

Are you serious ? Without pleased customer you have nothing, you can put your pride to your assets when you can´t buy a bread because you have ruined company with your bussines. 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 04 août 2012 - 05:01 .

[LinksOcarina]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

 So in his now infamous lockdown post yesterday that I will not quote here, Chris Priestly said that we, the "unhappy" fans should take our business elswhere.  There are a few problems with that the first being that there is no equivalant to bioware, no one else makes games of the caliber that bioware used to, and up to the ending did make with ME3.  The other problem is that I have already dropped $70-$80 (bought the collectors edition) on this game, now to most people that may not be a large chunk of their disposable income, but I am a college student working part time, and to me it is quite a bit of my income, that I am never getting back.  I do not think it is too much to expect to recieve what was advertised, and what I got was not what BIoware advertised before launch.

Bioware if you would just swallow your pride and give us an acceptable ending instead of polishing the turd that was the original ending.  Most of the "hater" threads would go away.  I may even be willing to pay up to $5 for an ending exclusive dlc, after confirming that it actually did what was promised and gave us somethng other than accepting starjars logic in order to attain "victory", and no the current refuse ending is not "victory" because the entire current cycle still dies, even if you have an EMS close to 8000, in other words your hard work in doing everything is not rewarded, like it was advertised.

Please just fix the mess that you created,  I do not belive that anyone would think the worse of you for it.
I loved ME1 it was what got me hooked on the series, I enjoyed ME2 quite a bit (too much focus on shooter elements, not enough on RPG) but it was still a great game and I bought every story dlc for both.  ME3 was great until I reached the end and then once my immersion was broken by that stupid child I started to find other flaws in the game (too much autodialogue, fetch quests, no exploration, etc.)  I do not hate ME3 as a game,  I love the other two games in the series.  I post so many threads and comments on this forum complaining about this game because it failed to live up to the advertising campaign and the previous two installments in the series. To paraphrase the jimquisition I rage, because I love.

here is the episode that I was referencing
www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6098-I-Hate-Videogames-Because-I-Love-Them
And here, we, go ...

First off, Jim Sterling is a troll with a platform, and gives journalists a bad name in the industry. It is not something to aspire too.

Second, your entire "point" here just seems sour grapes to the point where you want the hate to continue because you were a dissastified customer. BioWare is doing the right thing within their parameters as a company. If you don't like the product, don't buy anymore.

Its called a consumer right. The time and money you sank into something is all on you. No one twisted arms to make you spend $80.00 on a collectors edition, or pay 10 bucks for DLC. That is all on you.

So to be honest, stop saying BioWare is missing the point. They got the point, you personaly didn't.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 04 août 2012 - 05:06 .

[dirty console peasant]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

arial wrote...

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

Comparing unhappy customers to terrorists? Really? Also, what was the exact quote, TC? Could you link me to the topic? I came back here after quite awhile just to see that Chris basically told those of us who are still unhappy with the mess that Mass Effect 3 is to go f*** ourselves. Really, BioWare? Wow, you've really hit rock bottom. I hope you go out of business.

- Btw, Chris, I will do just that.

here is the thread with the infamous lockdown post 
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19

[DirtyPhoenix]

arial wrote...

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

I have half a mind to make this my sig.

[The Angry One]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

No actually they exist to make profit.

Don't try to romanticize capitalism.

I'm not romanticising anything. Videogames that anger more fans than they please will inevitably lead to less profit.
That is capitalism.

[The Angry One]

pirate1802 wrote...

arial wrote...

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

I have half a mind to make this my sig.

Please do. It makes it so much easier for me to filter arguments from people that are worth debating with from lost causes when such absurdity is found in your sigs.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 août 2012 - 05:00 .

[dirty console peasant]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

 So in his now infamous lockdown post yesterday that I will not quote here, Chris Priestly said that we, the "unhappy" fans should take our business elswhere.  There are a few problems with that the first being that there is no equivalant to bioware, no one else makes games of the caliber that bioware used to, and up to the ending did make with ME3.  The other problem is that I have already dropped $70-$80 (bought the collectors edition) on this game, now to most people that may not be a large chunk of their disposable income, but I am a college student working part time, and to me it is quite a bit of my income, that I am never getting back.  I do not think it is too much to expect to recieve what was advertised, and what I got was not what BIoware advertised before launch.

Bioware if you would just swallow your pride and give us an acceptable ending instead of polishing the turd that was the original ending.  Most of the "hater" threads would go away.  I may even be willing to pay up to $5 for an ending exclusive dlc, after confirming that it actually did what was promised and gave us somethng other than accepting starjars logic in order to attain "victory", and no the current refuse ending is not "victory" because the entire current cycle still dies, even if you have an EMS close to 8000, in other words your hard work in doing everything is not rewarded, like it was advertised.

Please just fix the mess that you created,  I do not belive that anyone would think the worse of you for it.
I loved ME1 it was what got me hooked on the series, I enjoyed ME2 quite a bit (too much focus on shooter elements, not enough on RPG) but it was still a great game and I bought every story dlc for both.  ME3 was great until I reached the end and then once my immersion was broken by that stupid child I started to find other flaws in the game (too much autodialogue, fetch quests, no exploration, etc.)  I do not hate ME3 as a game,  I love the other two games in the series.  I post so many threads and comments on this forum complaining about this game because it failed to live up to the advertising campaign and the previous two installments in the series. To paraphrase the jimquisition I rage, because I love.

here is the episode that I was referencing
www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6098-I-Hate-Videogames-Because-I-Love-Them
And here, we, go ...

First off, Jim Sterling is a troll with a platform, and gives journalists a bad name in the industry. It is not something to aspire too.

Second, your entire "point" here just seems sour grapes to the point where you want the hate to stop because you were a dissastified customer. BioWare is doing the right thing within their parameters as a company. If you don't like the product, don't buy anymore.

Its called a consumer right. The time and money you sank into something is all on you. No one twisted arms to make you spend $80.00 on a collectors edition, or pay 10 bucks for DLC. That is all on you.

So to be honest, stop saying BioWare is missing the point. They got the point, you personaly didn't.

and journalists have such a great name in the industry to start with?  There is no way that ME3 should have gotten 75 perfect reviews with all the flaws that were present. at most it should have gotten an 8 out of 10 probably more like 7, still a good game but with quite a few flaws.  And it is the duty of the fans to point out those flaws.

[SubAstris]

What's the post exactly from CP?

[MegaSovereign]

The Angry One wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

No actually they exist to make profit.

Don't try to romanticize capitalism.

I'm not romanticising anything. Videogames that anger more fans than they please will inevitably lead to less profit.
That is capitalism.

Tell that to Nintendo and their garbage gimmicky Wii console.

I bet they're hurting so much without their fans. Oh well all that money they're swimming in will comfort them, I'm sure.

[Ghaleon]

Sadly when it comes to Mass Effect i believe they are done listening to us not sure they ever truly did, but maybe our pleas did not fall upon deaf ears. Maybe the team doing Dragon Age 3 saw all this and decided let's not screw the fans like the Mass effect team did!

This doesn't help us with Mass Effect 3 but Bioware is to stubborn and prideful to admit they messed up, but look at the bright side maybe this saved Dragon Age 3.

[The Angry One]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Tell that to Nintendo and their garbage gimmicky Wii console.

I bet they're hurting so much without their fans. Oh well all that money they're swimming in will comfort them, I'm sure.

Nintendo decided to appeal to a different core audience. Much like BioWare are.
But you're missing the point, aren't you? They're still pleasing SOMEONE.

Whether Nintendo decides to please casual gamers or BioWare the CoD/GoW shoot shoot what's a story? crowd, their business model is still built on this.
The fact that they've disregarded their previous fans means they won't get as much money from US, and we have a right to say what we do and be listened to. Comparing us to terrorists is asinine.

[fil009]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

arial wrote...

they get the point, they are just not submitting to angry fans complaining, just how Governments don't negotiate with terrorists

Comparing unhappy customers to terrorists? Really? Also, what was the exact quote, TC? Could you link me to the topic? I came back here after quite awhile just to see that Chris basically told those of us who are still unhappy with the mess that Mass Effect 3 is to go f*** ourselves. Really, BioWare? Wow, you've really hit rock bottom. I hope you go out of business.

- Btw, Chris, I will do just that.

Chris Priestly wrote...

I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel thht way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the funn and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.

Done now.

http://social.biowar...dex/13492198/19 

Modifié par fil009, 04 août 2012 - 05:08 .

[habitat 67]

Those who are incessantly negative are sucking the fun out of the forums. I simply don't visit as much anymore because of it and I am sure there are more out there like me. Chris was right to say something.

[LinksOcarina]

The Angry One wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arial wrote...

I was not trying to compare angry fans to terrorists, you obviously miss-interrupted my post

You're equating negotiating with terrorists to communicating with fans.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your logic.
Governments to do not exist to please terrorists. Videogame companies do exist to please fans.

No actually they exist to make profit.

Don't try to romanticize capitalism.

I'm not romanticising anything. Videogames that anger more fans than they please will inevitably lead to less profit.
That is capitalism.

We will find out with BioWares next game. If it is a success then I believe you are off base. 

[The Angry One]

LinksOcarina wrote...

We will find out with BioWares next game. If it is a success then I believe you are off base. 

We'll find out with their next Mass Effect game. Dragon Age still has a chance to make or break it's fanbase with the next game due to different development teams.

But if you don't think ME3 has alienated many of it's core fans, who were quite dedicated, then you're just refusing to see the truth.

[RocketManSR2]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

here is the thread with the infamous lockdown post 
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19

I purchased ME3 because of the first 2. I trusted you, BioWare. You blew it on the third game and won't admit it and apologize to me. Instead, you tell me to take my money elsewhere. EA has forever destroyed the company you once were. You better hope there are plenty of bootlickers left to buy whatever crap you put out, because I sure as hell won't.

[Alex Kershaw]

Can you give me an example of another game universe with the level of detail of Mass Effect, with as many interesting characters and romance options and places, and where the player can cause the mass extinction or survival of multiple species, the death or survival of tens of characters, has the choice of 3 distinct endings affecting the entire game universe, and has a 10+ minute epilogue giving closure to the impact of the player's choices on the entire game universe and the characters within?

Because if such a series exists, I'm not aware of it. As far as I'm aware, you're complaining about the best story-driven trilogy ever created.

Modifié par Alex Kershaw, 04 août 2012 - 05:18 .

[MegaSovereign]

The Angry One wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Tell that to Nintendo and their garbage gimmicky Wii console.

I bet they're hurting so much without their fans. Oh well all that money they're swimming in will comfort them, I'm sure.

Nintendo decided to appeal to a different core audience. Much like BioWare are.
But you're missing the point, aren't you? They're still pleasing SOMEONE.

Whether Nintendo decides to please casual gamers or BioWare the CoD/GoW shoot shoot what's a story? crowd, their business model is still built on this.
The fact that they've disregarded their previous fans means they won't get as much money from US, and we have a right to say what we do and be listened to. Comparing us to terrorists is asinine.

Never once did I compare fans to terrorists.

Their goal is to please SOMEONE so that way they could bank off of their purchases. It doesn't necessarily have to be from the same group of people on the forums who are demanding a happy conventional ending.

People on this forum are a bit short-sighted. Bioware won't charge more for alternative endings. If they did that then sure they'll please some of the "haters" on BSN but they'll end up getting **** from the media for it.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 04 août 2012 - 05:11 .

[DirtySHISN0]

By your/that/his/her logic.


The words have been spoken.
The end is near.

[LinksOcarina]

The Angry One wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

We will find out with BioWares next game. If it is a success then I believe you are off base. 

We'll find out with their next Mass Effect game. Dragon Age still has a chance to make or break it's fanbase with the next game due to different development teams.

But if you don't think ME3 has alienated many of it's core fans, who were quite dedicated, then you're just refusing to see the truth.

No, I just think your a person  who gets off on the thrill of arguments at this point. This whole "make or break" thing for the fanbase is the most ludacris argument I have ever heard. It's like saying "well, I hated Wind Waker, but Twilight Princess is the last chance for Nintendo to impress me."

That is a disparity that is a falsehood, it's something that doesn't exist. 

[dirty console peasant]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Can you give me an example of another game universe with the level of detail of Mass Effect, with as many interesting characters and romance options and places, and where the player can cause the mass extinction or survival of multiple species, the death or survival of tens of characters, has the choice of 3 distinct endings affecting the entire game universe, and has a 10+ minute epilogue giving closure to the impact of the player's choices on the entire game universe and the characters within?

Because if such a game exists, I'm not aware of it. As far as I'm concerned, you're complaining about the best story-driven trilogy every created.

The trilogy was great with the exception of the last 10 minutes or so.  which is why I purchased ME3 in the first place.  You apparently did not read the entire OP.  The problem is that Chris Priestly basically told us to go buy someone elses game if we were unhappy with this one.  And as you have so well put it, there isn't one.

[habitat 67]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Can you give me an example of another game universe with the level of detail of Mass Effect, with as many interesting characters and romance options and places, and where the player can cause the mass extinction or survival of multiple species, the death or survival of tens of characters, has the choice of 3 distinct endings affecting the entire game universe, and has a 10+ minute epilogue giving closure to the impact of the player's choices on the entire game universe and the characters within?

Because if such a game exists, I'm not aware of it. As far as I'm concerned, you're complaining about the best story-driven trilogy every created.

I agree.