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[Khajiit Jzargo]

Not trying to start a war, just trying to get some insight.
For players who choose Control.

Why do you believe the catalyst? The Prothean VI, Vendetta, tells you that there was a splinter Prothean group who split apart and wanted to control the Reapers, but they failed. He also tells you countless cycles have tried the same, but they failed. TIM tried it and failed. So why do you believe that Shepard can do it, he's not god or a divine person, he's the same as everyone else who failed when trying to control the Reapers, a person. So why do you think Shepard can do it when countless of cycles before him have failed?

[Taboo]

I would assume because this new AI is based off of Shepard's personality. The man is very much dead. The Catalyst was programmed to be correct, which was his issue.

I won't choose control because even a benevolent dictator is still a dictator. Also, this AI may clash with the opinion of the galaxy and that may cause some serious issues.

For those reasons alone, I think replacing the Catalyst is a bad idea.

[D24O]

Because the game says so.

Also I don't see the point in worrying over the end choices anyway. They all have s*** aspects to them, and they are left mostly up to headcanon, so how they pan out is supposed to be up to you I guess.

Speculations.

Modifié par D24O, 04 août 2012 - 04:28 .

[The Angry One]

Because Shepard is SPECIAL!!

No really that's the reason some controllers give.
Why is Shepard special? They'll get back to us on that some day, I'm sure.

[Isichar]

I get where you are coming from here but let me answer your question with another question....

Why is control any less believable then been told you can fuse all life and machines together in the galaxy? To be completely honest you have no way of knowing any choice made with the crucible will actually result in what you believe it will other then the Catalysts word.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Isichar wrote...

I get where you are coming from here but let me answer your question with another question....

Why is control any less believable then been told you can fuse all life and machines together in the galaxy? To be completely honest you have no way of knowing any choice made with the crucible will actually result in what you believe it will other then the Catalysts word.

I agree all choices seem like a gamble.

But especially Control, the one where you have seen first hand failed multiple times....

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Because their Shepard is "ready". Yep, ready.

[LucasShark]

Because Shepard's brain falls out durring the trip to the catalyst's chamber?

Or is it because the catalyst is the digital representation of all of Bioware's artistic hubris?

[The Angry One]

You're subjected to many horror stories regarding synthesis and control throughout the trilogy.
Shepard has no reason to believe this time it will be different. Mind you, Shepard has no reason to believe destroy will work as advertised either.

The whole thing is a mess.

[Isichar]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Isichar wrote...

I get where you are coming from here but let me answer your question with another question....

Why is control any less believable then been told you can fuse all life and machines together in the galaxy? To be completely honest you have no way of knowing any choice made with the crucible will actually result in what you believe it will other then the Catalysts word.

I agree all choices seem like a gamble.

But especially Control, the one where you have seen first hand failed multiple times....

However no attempt was actually a viable means of control. We have no way of knowing whether or not the crucible will actually control the reapers, however we can assume that control has never been attempted by firing the crucible. How other cycles tried to control the reapers I cant say, but I dont think it was done with the crucible, and even had the crucible existed, the indoctrinated would not have been able to use it.

I honestly believe the crucible is the first time its even been possible.

Then again I essentially agree with you, my Shepard would not believe it was possible to control the reapers based on his experiences...

Modifié par Isichar, 04 août 2012 - 04:33 .

[arial]

same reason i would trust the Rachni queen in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to make the leap of faith or don't

[The Angry One]

I really like how all of Cerberus' efforts into researching Reaper control have absolutely NOTHING to do with the control ending, and even TIM himself states at the end that he intends to use the Crucible.

Nothing like having the antagonist not only be a complete evil for evil's sake moron, but pursue a giant red herring for the entire game.

arial wrote...

same reason i would trust the Rachni queen
in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to
make the leap of faith or don't

Hilariously faulty comparison, and I point and laugh at anyone who brings this up.

The Rachni Queen was nobody's enemy. She had done nothing and was a total innocent.
The Catalyst on the other hand is directly responsible for everything the Reapers do.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 août 2012 - 04:36 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Isichar wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Isichar wrote...

I get where you are coming from here but let me answer your question with another question....

Why is control any less believable then been told you can fuse all life and machines together in the galaxy? To be completely honest you have no way of knowing any choice made with the crucible will actually result in what you believe it will other then the Catalysts word.

I agree all choices seem like a gamble.

But especially Control, the one where you have seen first hand failed multiple times....

However no attempt was actually a viable means of control. We have no way of knowing whether or not the crucible will actually control the reapers, however we can assume that control has never been attempted by firing the crucible. How other cycles tried to control the reapers I cant say, but I dont think it was done with the crucible, and even had the crucible existed, the indoctrinated would not have been able to use it.

I honestly believe the crucible is the first time its even been possible.

Then again I essentially agree with you, my Shepard would not believe it was possible to control the reapers based on his experiences...

Honestly, that way it just makes it look even more ridiculous.

Catalyst " I'm your enemy, that has been trying to kill you for multiple years, but I'm going to let you control me by grabbing those two handles and killing yourself"

A lot of people who failed were attempting things that had never been done before, it doesn't make any more logical.

[Isichar]

arial wrote...

same reason i would trust the Rachni queen in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to make the leap of faith or don't

The difference been that the catalyst was not a slave been used against his will.

The queen itself never actually showed itself to be hostile towards organics on its own.

[MegaSovereign]

Because my Paragon Shepard is desperate to save everyone including his synthetic allies?

Even if it bites him in the ass I'm simply role-playing what my Paragon would do.

[wizardryforever]

The Angry One wrote...

I really like how all of Cerberus' efforts into researching Reaper control have absolutely NOTHING to do with the control ending, and even TIM himself states at the end that he intends to use the Crucible.

Nothing like having the antagonist not only be a complete evil for evil's sake moron, but pursue a giant red herring for the entire game.

arial wrote...

same reason i would trust the Rachni queen
in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to
make the leap of faith or don't

Hilariously faulty comparison, and I point and laugh at anyone who brings this up.

The Rachni Queen was nobody's enemy. She had done nothing and was a total innocent.
The Catalyst on the other hand is directly responsible for everything the Reapers do.

He was looking for a proof of concept.  Sanctuary proved that it could be done on a small scale, at that point it was a matter of hijacking the Crucible to use it on a much larger scale.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

The Angry One wrote...

I really like how all of Cerberus' efforts into researching Reaper control have absolutely NOTHING to do with the control ending, and even TIM himself states at the end that he intends to use the Crucible.

Nothing like having the antagonist not only be a complete evil for evil's sake moron, but pursue a giant red herring for the entire game.

arial wrote...

same reason i would trust the Rachni queen
in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to
make the leap of faith or don't

Hilariously faulty comparison, and I point and laugh at anyone who brings this up.

The Rachni Queen was nobody's enemy. She had done nothing and was a total innocent.
The Catalyst on the other hand is directly responsible for everything the Reapers do.

 I hate how TIM went from an amazing mysterious character, to a complete loony evil character.

[The Angry One]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Because my Paragon Shepard is desperate to save everyone including his synthetic allies?

Even if it bites him in the ass I'm simply role-playing what my Paragon would do.

Here lies the flaw in your plan. If anything goes wrong it will screw the entire galaxy over.
What's worse is that Shepard says exactly this to TIM a little earlier.

[Conniving_Eagle]

The Angry One wrote...

Because Shepard is SPECIAL!!

No really that's the reason some controllers give.
Why is Shepard special? They'll get back to us on that some day, I'm sure.

Conrad Verner could have controlled the Reapers. I'd be a lot more trustworthy of a Reaper-god complex derived from him than Shepard.

[The Angry One]

wizardryforever wrote...

He was looking for a proof of concept.  Sanctuary proved that it could be done on a small scale, at that point it was a matter of hijacking the Crucible to use it on a much larger scale.

He controlled Husks. This proves: Husks can be controlled.

Reapers already control Husks. Hence: We already knew that.

Red herring.

[AresKeith]

arial wrote...

same reason i would trust the Rachni queen in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to make the leap of faith or don't

The Queen even reveals the Reapers had something do to with the Rachni Wars, so there only tools used for wrong reasons

[The Twilight God]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Not trying to start a war, just trying to get some insight.
For players who choose Control.

Why do you believe the catalyst? The Prothean VI, Vendetta, tells you that there was a splinter Prothean group who split apart and wanted to control the Reapers, but they failed. He also tells you countless cycles have tried the same, but they failed. TIM tried it and failed. So why do you believe that Shepard can do it, he's not god or a divine person, he's the same as everyone else who failed when trying to control the Reapers, a person. So why do you think Shepard can do it when countless of cycles before him have failed?

Because they are indoctrinated. And it's a video game with no actual real life consequences for the player.

No reason is given to believe any of its new options. In fact, everything prior points to both being a fools choice. This is what Biowares needs to fix if they want the endings to be taken literally. When alot of people say the ending sucks they aren't talking about RGB (that's lame, but whatever). The problem is the endings aren't written in a way that makes all endings appear reasonable to anyone who wasn't being indoctrinated. 

[arial]

The Angry One wrote...

I really like how all of Cerberus' efforts into researching Reaper control have absolutely NOTHING to do with the control ending, and even TIM himself states at the end that he intends to use the Crucible.

Nothing like having the antagonist not only be a complete evil for evil's sake moron, but pursue a giant red herring for the entire game.

arial wrote...

same reason i would trust the Rachni queen
in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to
make the leap of faith or don't

Hilariously faulty comparison, and I point and laugh at anyone who brings this up.

The Rachni Queen was nobody's enemy. She had done nothing and was a total innocent.
The Catalyst on the other hand is directly responsible for everything the Reapers do.

that entire mission Rachni were attacking you, Rachni are traditionally commanded by the Queen.

Its like that Crew member said after you recruit Javik in ME3 "regulations say when encountering a new species, assume hostility"

[Khajiit Jzargo]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Because my Paragon Shepard is desperate to save everyone including his synthetic allies?

Even if it bites him in the ass I'm simply role-playing what my Paragon would do.

As much as I hate Synthesis, It would make more sense to pick that, because at least is something that has never been tried and you haven't seen it failed yet. By choosing control, you have seen many countless scenarios where it leads to nothing but evil and complete failure.

[AresKeith]

The Angry One wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

He was looking for a proof of concept.  Sanctuary proved that it could be done on a small scale, at that point it was a matter of hijacking the Crucible to use it on a much larger scale.

He controlled Husks. This proves: Husks can be controlled.

Reapers already control Husks. Hence: We already knew that.

Red herring.

basically ME3 makes you go full retard