HagarIshay wrote...
Because no one had the Crucible before, which is highly advanced technology which was passed down many cycles ago.
And your missing the point that Control has become a "possibility" a lot of times in many different ways and has always failed. Why should now be any different? Because it's Shepard?Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I'm going to copy and paste my other reply to someone else.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
So has any attempt to Destroy the Reapers, and any attempt at Synthesis. Hence the cycle. The reason the Catalyst even offers parley is because the Crucible has "altered the variables," making each of those attainable.
"Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle."
You're missing the point. The Crucible makes each option a possibility. Before, they weren't. We could never hope to destroy the Reapers without the Crucible, just as we could never hope to control them. But now, with the Crucible, we can.
SubAstris wrote...
All the others you said were indoctrinated, Shepard isn't, therefore he can control the Reapers
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Who said every cycle before Shepard who tried control were indoctrinated when the idea first came to mind? Maybe they were perfectly fine, until they tried it, which lead to them failing.The Twilight God wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Not trying to start a war, just trying to get some insight.
For players who choose Control.
Why do you believe the catalyst? The Prothean VI, Vendetta, tells you that there was a splinter Prothean group who split apart and wanted to control the Reapers, but they failed. He also tells you countless cycles have tried the same, but they failed. TIM tried it and failed. So why do you believe that Shepard can do it, he's not god or a divine person, he's the same as everyone else who failed when trying to control the Reapers, a person. So why do you think Shepard can do it when countless of cycles before him have failed?
Because they are indoctrinated. And it's a video game with no actual real life consequences for the player.
No reason is given to believe any of its new options. In fact, everything prior points to both being a fools choice. This is what Biowares needs to fix if they want the endings to be taken literally. When alot of people say the ending sucks they aren't talking about RGB (that's lame, but whatever). The problem is the endings aren't written in a way that makes all endings appear reasonable to anyone who wasn't being indoctrinated.
The Twilight God wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
All the others you said were indoctrinated, Shepard isn't, therefore he can control the Reapers
..because the reapers said so.
Oooo-kay
The Angry One wrote...
HagarIshay wrote...
Because no one had the Crucible before, which is highly advanced technology which was passed down many cycles ago.
Yeah. You know. Except the Protheans. Vendetta specifically says the reason they were unable to deploy it was because of indoctrinated factions who wanted to control the Reapers.
Yeah that doesn't sound suspicious at all.
Someone else, I apologize.The Twilight God wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Who said every cycle before Shepard who tried control were indoctrinated when the idea first came to mind? Maybe they were perfectly fine, until they tried it, which lead to them failing.The Twilight God wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Not trying to start a war, just trying to get some insight.
For players who choose Control.
Why do you believe the catalyst? The Prothean VI, Vendetta, tells you that there was a splinter Prothean group who split apart and wanted to control the Reapers, but they failed. He also tells you countless cycles have tried the same, but they failed. TIM tried it and failed. So why do you believe that Shepard can do it, he's not god or a divine person, he's the same as everyone else who failed when trying to control the Reapers, a person. So why do you think Shepard can do it when countless of cycles before him have failed?
Because they are indoctrinated. And it's a video game with no actual real life consequences for the player.
No reason is given to believe any of its new options. In fact, everything prior points to both being a fools choice. This is what Biowares needs to fix if they want the endings to be taken literally. When alot of people say the ending sucks they aren't talking about RGB (that's lame, but whatever). The problem is the endings aren't written in a way that makes all endings appear reasonable to anyone who wasn't being indoctrinated.
Did you mean to reply to me or someone else? I'm not seing how this relates to what I posted.
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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
And your missing the point that Control has become a "possibility" a lot of times in many different ways and has always failed. Why should now be any different? Because it's Shepard?Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I'm going to copy and paste my other reply to someone else.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
So has any attempt to Destroy the Reapers, and any attempt at Synthesis. Hence the cycle. The reason the Catalyst even offers parley is because the Crucible has "altered the variables," making each of those attainable.
"Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle."
You're missing the point. The Crucible makes each option a possibility. Before, they weren't. We could never hope to destroy the Reapers without the Crucible, just as we could never hope to control them. But now, with the Crucible, we can.
The Angry One wrote...
Yeah. You know. Except the Protheans. Vendetta specifically says the reason they were unable to deploy it was because of indoctrinated factions who wanted to control the Reapers.
Yeah that doesn't sound suspicious at all.
He stayed the same character. He a person who will do what ever it takes to do his goal. That stayed the same in ME3. Added he was right about controling the reapers.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I hate how TIM went from an amazing mysterious character, to a complete loony evil character.The Angry One wrote...
I really like how all of Cerberus' efforts into researching Reaper control have absolutely NOTHING to do with the control ending, and even TIM himself states at the end that he intends to use the Crucible.
Nothing like having the antagonist not only be a complete evil for evil's sake moron, but pursue a giant red herring for the entire game.arial wrote...
same reason i would trust the Rachni queen
in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to
make the leap of faith or don't
Hilariously faulty comparison, and I point and laugh at anyone who brings this up.
The Rachni Queen was nobody's enemy. She had done nothing and was a total innocent.
The Catalyst on the other hand is directly responsible for everything the Reapers do.
.....When did this happen?Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
And your missing the point that Control has become a "possibility" a lot of times in many different ways and has always failed. Why should now be any different? Because it's Shepard?Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I'm going to copy and paste my other reply to someone else.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
So has any attempt to Destroy the Reapers, and any attempt at Synthesis. Hence the cycle. The reason the Catalyst even offers parley is because the Crucible has "altered the variables," making each of those attainable.
"Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle."
You're missing the point. The Crucible makes each option a possibility. Before, they weren't. We could never hope to destroy the Reapers without the Crucible, just as we could never hope to control them. But now, with the Crucible, we can.
Control has never been a possibility before. It has been attempted and has always ended in varying degrees of failure. Just like Destroy.
It ovbiously has if countless cycles kept trying it over and over. And like I said, no cycle has ever failed because they used a super-weapon to destroy the reapers and failed. Control has failed in multiple ways, even if with a super-weapon, seeing all the times it failed before, in many different ways, makes it more uncomfortable and moronic to choose.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
And your missing the point that Control has become a "possibility" a lot of times in many different ways and has always failed. Why should now be any different? Because it's Shepard?Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I'm going to copy and paste my other reply to someone else.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
So has any attempt to Destroy the Reapers, and any attempt at Synthesis. Hence the cycle. The reason the Catalyst even offers parley is because the Crucible has "altered the variables," making each of those attainable.
"Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle."
You're missing the point. The Crucible makes each option a possibility. Before, they weren't. We could never hope to destroy the Reapers without the Crucible, just as we could never hope to control them. But now, with the Crucible, we can.
Control has never been a possibility before. It has been attempted and has always ended in varying degrees of failure. Just like Destroy.
Deploy? They weren't even finished.The Angry One wrote...
HagarIshay wrote...
Because no one had the Crucible before, which is highly advanced technology which was passed down many cycles ago.
Yeah. You know. Except the Protheans. Vendetta specifically says the reason they were unable to deploy it was because of indoctrinated factions who wanted to control the Reapers.
Yeah that doesn't sound suspicious at all.
.....Again When did this happen? What in the lore even states this?Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It ovbiously has if countless cycles kept trying it over and over. And like I said, no cycle has ever failed because they used a super-weapon to destroy the reapers and failed. Control has failed in multiple ways, even if with a super-weapon, seeing all the times it failed before, in many different ways, makes it more uncomfortable and moronic to choose.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
And your missing the point that Control has become a "possibility" a lot of times in many different ways and has always failed. Why should now be any different? Because it's Shepard?Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I'm going to copy and paste my other reply to someone else.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
So has any attempt to Destroy the Reapers, and any attempt at Synthesis. Hence the cycle. The reason the Catalyst even offers parley is because the Crucible has "altered the variables," making each of those attainable.
"Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle."
You're missing the point. The Crucible makes each option a possibility. Before, they weren't. We could never hope to destroy the Reapers without the Crucible, just as we could never hope to control them. But now, with the Crucible, we can.
Control has never been a possibility before. It has been attempted and has always ended in varying degrees of failure. Just like Destroy.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle.
dreman9999 wrote...
He stayed the same character. He a person who will do what ever it takes to do his goal. That stayed the same in ME3. Added he was right about controling the reapers.
No, he went from a shield for humanity, to a physchopath who stabs humanity.dreman9999 wrote...
He stayed the same character. He a person who will do what ever it takes to do his goal. That stayed the same in ME3. Added he was right about controling the reapers.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I hate how TIM went from an amazing mysterious character, to a complete loony evil character.The Angry One wrote...
I really like how all of Cerberus' efforts into researching Reaper control have absolutely NOTHING to do with the control ending, and even TIM himself states at the end that he intends to use the Crucible.
Nothing like having the antagonist not only be a complete evil for evil's sake moron, but pursue a giant red herring for the entire game.arial wrote...
same reason i would trust the Rachni queen
in ME1, they are both enemies asking to be trusted, you either have to
make the leap of faith or don't
Hilariously faulty comparison, and I point and laugh at anyone who brings this up.
The Rachni Queen was nobody's enemy. She had done nothing and was a total innocent.
The Catalyst on the other hand is directly responsible for everything the Reapers do.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Catalyst " I'm your enemy, that has been trying to kill you for multiple years, but I'm going to let you control me by grabbing those two handles and killing yourself"
I guess the first race to come up with the Crucible had 4 hands. Could be the Leviathans.Genetic Destiny wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Catalyst " I'm your enemy, that has been trying to kill you for multiple years, but I'm going to let you control me by grabbing those two handles and killing yourself"
Shepard: "But...there's four handles..."
No, It's a fact this is the first time that the Crucible has been deployed.Isichar wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle.
Sorry but all you can assume is that the crucible has never been used to destroy the reapers or try and control them. For that reason each option is as likely to work as the other. As for the other options used for control or to fight the reapers we dont actually know how each cycle handled that but we do know it was not done in the same method.
Infact TIM would not even be able to use the crucible if he tried. Due to the indoctrination (which I am willing to bet the vast majority of the people who even tried to control the reapers were indoctrinated)
Shepards experiences may make he less likely to believe it is possible to control the reapers, but I still dont think you can actually claim using the crucible to control is a higher risk when it is a new method compared to anything else your told.
Honestly if some spaceghost told you jumping into a beam would fuse all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy, would you find that more believable then controlling the reapers?
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It ovbiously has if countless cycles kept trying it over and over. And like I said, no cycle has ever failed because they used a super-weapon to destroy the reapers and failed. Control has failed in multiple ways, even if with a super-weapon, seeing all the times it failed before, in many different ways, makes it more uncomfortable and moronic to choose.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
And your missing the point that Control has become a "possibility" a lot of times in many different ways and has always failed. Why should now be any different? Because it's Shepard?Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I'm going to copy and paste my other reply to someone else.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
So has any attempt to Destroy the Reapers, and any attempt at Synthesis. Hence the cycle. The reason the Catalyst even offers parley is because the Crucible has "altered the variables," making each of those attainable.
"Destroying hasn't been seen to work, but neither has there been a super-weapon.
And before you says "Control hasn't work, but neither has there been a super-weapon" the difference that people have tried many ways to Control the Reapers and failed, the only way cycles have fought the Reapers was by conventional warfare, no cycle has had the crucible deployed but Shepard's cycle."
You're missing the point. The Crucible makes each option a possibility. Before, they weren't. We could never hope to destroy the Reapers without the Crucible, just as we could never hope to control them. But now, with the Crucible, we can.
Control has never been a possibility before. It has been attempted and has always ended in varying degrees of failure. Just like Destroy.
....Just became power hundry? LOL...He was always power hungry. The reason TIM did everything he did after the mars mission is because we had the info on the crucible and he wanted to slow us down. He was alway power hungry. The only difference now is that he is more direct then before. He still is the do eveny thung to up lift humanity person he always was. He just went to the extreme now.HagarIshay wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
He stayed the same character. He a person who will do what ever it takes to do his goal. That stayed the same in ME3. Added he was right about controling the reapers.
Uh... Not really. He just became power hungry in ME3.
dreman9999 wrote...
....Just became power hundry? LOL...He was always power hungry. The reason TIM did everything he did after the mars mission is because we had the info on the crucible and he wanted to slow us down. He was alway power hungry. The only difference now is that he is more direct then before. He still is the do eveny thung to up lift humanity person he always was. He just went to the extreme now.HagarIshay wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
He stayed the same character. He a person who will do what ever it takes to do his goal. That stayed the same in ME3. Added he was right about controling the reapers.
Uh... Not really. He just became power hungry in ME3.
But we've seen it failed in almost every other way, while others haven't. I know where your coming from, but out of the three choices, picking Control seems a bit more illogical than Synthesis or Destroy.Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
We've never seen it fail with a super-weapon. We've seen TIM gaining control over Reaper ground forces before succumbing to indoctrination. We also don't know if Destroy has been attempted with a super-weapon. Arguably, it had with the initial design for the Crucible, prior to the incorporation of the Citadel.
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