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[The Twilight God]

Lord Goose wrote...

Just moments earlier, Shepard argued with The Illusive Man against this very course of action. His exact words were, “You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use”

Yes, but Shepard could have been talking about the whole deal with fusing Reaper technology with his body body, and making slaves out of living people. He didn't said: "Control is stupid idea and no one should try it, no matter that", he could have been simply arguing against TIM's means to achieve the goal.

and Shepard can question TIM asking, “Are you willing to bet humanity's existence on it?”

And he also adds: "You can't, can you? They won't let you do it".

Basically, Catalyst only confirmed Shepard's own (and Andersen's) suspicions that TIM was indoctrinated.

This is what I mean. Grasping at straws. Trying to rationalize the irrational. You can't.

Suspicions? It was confirmed right then and there. He did not open the arms and go control them. TIM demonstrates his indoctrination (renegade/situation) and goes on to opening admit it himself (paragon).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Not trying to start a war, just trying to get some insight.
For players who choose Control.

Why do you believe the catalyst? The Prothean VI, Vendetta, tells you that there was a splinter Prothean group who split apart and wanted to control the Reapers, but they failed. He also tells you countless cycles have tried the same, but they failed. TIM tried it and failed. So why do you believe that Shepard can do it, he's not god or a divine person, he's the same as everyone else who failed when trying to control the Reapers, a person. So why do you think Shepard can do it when countless of cycles before him have failed?

Look, I don't trust anyone who tells me I can control something after I'm dead.

I'm still wondering what Shepard's injury was. There's no bleeding at first. Broken ribs? Concussion? But in one scene bleeding down the arm which would indicate a shoulder or upper arm wound and due to the dark color not arterial (Anderson scene) and then the bleeding stops. No bleeding from the mouth or coughing of blood. So I'm guessing broken ribs which are damned painful.

And Shepard is going to have to eat, go potty, and sleep, and can't control the reapers then. So I'm guessing The Illusive Man actually was full of ****. Bottom line? You can't control the reapers.

Why do players believe the Catalyst? They're indoctrinated. Sorry. It's true. It's damned true.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 04 août 2012 - 07:19 .

[dreman9999]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wanting to control does not mean they tried. Wanting to control just means they wanted to control. If you what to have a point you have to show that they tried to control the reapers.

Thank you for proving my point, they wanting to control lead to failure.

You sir, a very special case.
How can they fail at something they didn't even get the chance to try?

[The Twilight God]

Lord Goose wrote...

But you see it's not TIM who needs Shepard to believe. Tim has the physical capacity to open the arms himself. It is the Reapers who need Shepard to believe. They are trying to indoctrinate Shepard through TIM as the Reapers tried to indoctrinate Kahlee Sanders through Paul Grayson. The Reapers are trying to convince Shepard.

Or the Reapers simply not letting the Illusive Man open the Citadel. But they cannot simply forbid him to do it, because that would make him realise that he has no will of his own. So they made up a reason on spot.

They do forbid him to do it. He tries and they force him not to.  And if you go the paragon route he kills himself because "they are too strong". Renegade and he maintains his foolish pride dispite the reapers just putting their boots on his neck a mere moment earlier.

Lord Goose wrote...

Speaking of which, Shepard could possibly consider synthetics to be "just machines" without a soul, and nothing in the final dialogue changes. Nothing. If that was their plan all along, doesn't this flaw strikes you as... odd?

You're going to have to ellaborate. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

[Lord Goose]

Shepard dies in all endings. All dialog leading up paints a picture that Shepard will die no matter which choice he makes.

I think that you are mistaken.

In Control and Synthesis Catalyst is explicit when he tells Shepard what he will either die, or will be dispersed across the galaxy. In Low-EMS Destroy he also makes a point, that all people with synthetic implants would die.

In High-EMS Destroy he is vague about it ("even you are partly synthetic" doesn't mean that Shepard will definitely die" So Shepard either has to choose between "certain death" vs "high possibility of death".

Also, Reapers would also die.

Control and Synthesis have no downside compared to Destroy if taken at face value. None at all.

II just was playing Renegade and the situation was completely reversed. My Renegade Shepard treated synthetics as mix between pets and tools, and was actually going to wipe out geth because of quarians. It didn't happened, but only because she thought that it good to have more firepower.

Naturally, she choose "kill all Reapers and have a slim chance of survival".

[dreman9999]

The Twilight God wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

What TIM proved was that it was possible to take control AWAY from the Reapers, something which up until that point wasn't supposed to be possible or even considered an option.

However, TIM's obsession with human domination lead to him implanting himself with Reaper Tech and his indoctrination, which disqualifies him. The Catalyst gives the exact reason why TIM can't use the Crucible:

"He could not control us, because we already controlled him."

The Star Child's say so does nto make it fact. Perhaps no single organic mind can take control of trillions of repaer minds. Perhaps it wants Sheparad to foolishly try. 

It you talked to TIM at the end of the game, it's clear as day he is controled by the reapers.

TIM makes alot of claims. If TIM could control reapers or there forces why was Sanctuary overrun? Why didn't Cerberus just call off the attacking reaper forces? They are still attacking Cerberus when you arrive there. The only thing TIM controls in Anderson and Shep's motor functions and we already have a word for that: Dominate (biotic skill). It even has a little biotic effect over his hand when he has Shepard shoot Anderson. He's indoctrinated and being used as a reaper mouthpiece to advocate control. Unable to convince him, the reapers then give up and use him to kill Shepard.

The Twilight God wrote...

Just moments earlier, Shepard argued with The Illusive Man against this very course of action. His exact words were, “You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use” and Shepard can question TIM asking, “Are you willing to bet humanity's existence on it?”

Yet all it takes is one confirmation from the Reapers that it can work for Shepard to completely reverse his position on the subject. So now, betting humanity’s existence on the endorsement of the Reapers (who are currently doing their best to destroy all space-faring species) is now an acceptable risk?

Recall what indoctrinated TIM said to Shepard when he asks, "Why waste your time with us if you can control the Reapers?"
TIM (under Reaper influence) answers, "Because... I need you to believe."

But you see it's not TIM who needs Shepard to believe. Tim has the physical capacity to open the arms himself. It is the Reapers who need Shepard to believe. They are trying to indoctrinate Shepard through TIM as the Reapers tried to indoctrinate Kahlee Sanders through Paul Grayson. The Reapers are trying to convince Shepard.

http://social.biowar...9372/1#13419412

They were over ran by the reapers because the reaper can focus a stronger control then ceberus. The reaper have more power. It was stated to control the reaper a strong power source was needed, that was the catalyst.

[SpamBot2000]

I don't get how some people are so cool with the prospect of eternity.

[The Twilight God]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Not trying to start a war, just trying to get some insight.
For players who choose Control.

Why do you believe the catalyst? The Prothean VI, Vendetta, tells you that there was a splinter Prothean group who split apart and wanted to control the Reapers, but they failed. He also tells you countless cycles have tried the same, but they failed. TIM tried it and failed. So why do you believe that Shepard can do it, he's not god or a divine person, he's the same as everyone else who failed when trying to control the Reapers, a person. So why do you think Shepard can do it when countless of cycles before him have failed?

Look, I don't trust anyone who tells me I can control something after I'm dead.

I'm still wondering what Shepard's injury was. There's no bleeding at first. Broken ribs? Concussion? But in one scene bleeding down the arm which would indicate a shoulder or upper arm wound and due to the dark color not arterial (Anderson scene) and then the bleeding stops. No bleeding from the mouth or coughing of blood. So I'm guessing broken ribs which are damned painful.

And Shepard is going to have to eat, go potty, and sleep, and can't control the reapers then. So I'm guessing The Illusive Man actually was full of ****. Bottom line? You can't control the reapers.

Why do players believe the Catalyst? They're indoctrinated. Sorry. It's true. It's damned true.

What do you find odd?

The blood that mysteriously vanishes once in the Crucible docking chamber?

Or Shepard's miraculous recover when he decides to suicide himself in the synthesis beam and sprints to his death?

[dreman9999]

The Twilight God wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

The fact is, there is no good reason to trust the Star Child. Period.

There is not a single person here or anywhere in the universe that can counter that statement at this time.

I agree, what where is no reason to believe him at all. But beggars cannot be choosers and my Shepard really wanted to do something to save everyone.

So you think the Reapers gave you two sunshine and butterflies endings and made only one a tough choice requiring sacrifice? This doesn't strike you as odd?

You missing the fact that they are shackled AI's who have no choice but to do what they are doing because of their programing...The have a reason to help you...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XNyvUblf28&feature=player_detailpage#t=556s

Take some time to understand there goals...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XNyvUblf28&feature=player_detailpage#t=136s

I don't know any of this. I know the image of a little boy makes several claims. I also know that it lies.. alot

http://social.biowar...9372/1#13419499

A 10 minute chat with the reapers now that I have them by the balls doesn't negate 120 hours that indicate otherwise.

http://social.biowar...9372/1#13419372

The funny thing is everthing you have in those links arn't lies at all. I'll give you an example.
1. He says he is the catalyst and the citadel is part of him. This is the same case with EDI and her new body. Her new body is her and part of her. An synthetic ban have as many parts , bodies and personas as they want.

EDI can take control of the Normdy. She isn't just along for the ride as a passenger in the AI core room.

If the Citadel was part of him he could simply block destroy. He can't because he has no connection to the Citadel. He couldn't activate the Citadel relay in ME1 or shut down the network in ME3. The only purpose it serves is to indoctrinate Shepard into suiciding himself to advance the reaper agenda. I doubt there is even an AI on the Citadel. I think it was just a Harbinger mindfu*k.

1. EDI is the normandy. Much of what make EDI who EDI is is in the ship its self. The normady is her body.
2.The citadel does nto control what the crucible does...The crucible controls the citadel.

[Lord Goose]

This is what I mean. Grasping at straws. Trying to rationalize the irrational. You can't.

Is that personal or something, The Twilight God?

Suspicions? It was confirmed right then and there. He did not open the arms and go control them. TIM demonstrates his indoctrination (renegade/situation) and goes on to opening admit it himself (paragon).

Well, fine. TIM could not control the Reapers because he was indoctrinated. Catalyst says the same thing. What's the problem?

They do forbid him to do it. He tries and they force him not to. And if you go the paragon route he kills himself because "they are too strong"

I think that Paragon speech makes him realise that he is no longer in control of himself (just as it worked with Saren) and he commits suicide. And Renegade simply knocks him off emotional balance and Shepard uses that opening to shot him down.

He was controlled in both cases, but only Paragon managed to open his eyes. That's my interpretation of the situation.

You're going to have to ellaborate. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

You are saying that "geth will die" is a lie made up by Reapers to convince Shepard to make different choice, right?

When I'm saying that in my playthroug for Renegade Shepard did not give a damn about them, since she considered them to be tools and have choosen destroy. Clearly, she avoided Reapers trap, but not because she was bright, or anything. She survived because she was organic supremacist, basically.

Reapers made a mistake. A very-very stupid one.

In short, if you have played Renegade, Destroy have no downside.

Modifié par Lord Goose, 04 août 2012 - 07:37 .

[The Twilight God]

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard dies in all endings. All dialog leading up paints a picture that Shepard will die no matter which choice he makes.

I think that you are mistaken.

In Control and Synthesis Catalyst is explicit when he tells Shepard what he will either die, or will be dispersed across the galaxy. In Low-EMS Destroy he also makes a point, that all people with synthetic implants would die.

In High-EMS Destroy he is vague about it ("even you are partly synthetic" doesn't mean that Shepard will definitely die" So Shepard either has to choose between "certain death" vs "high possibility of death".

Also, Reapers would also die.

Control and Synthesis have no downside compared to Destroy if taken at face value. None at all.

II just was playing Renegade and the situation was completely reversed. My Renegade Shepard treated synthetics as mix between pets and tools, and was actually going to wipe out geth because of quarians. It didn't happened, but only because she thought that it good to have more firepower.

Naturally, she choose "kill all Reapers and have a slim chance of survival".

To me his implications are that Shepard will die too because of all his implants. We can agree to diagree here, but when I was playing and I got to that point I was expecting Shepard to die no matter what.

So you gave Legion over to Cerberus in ME2 and trusted a VI with reaper code not to turn on you, but your Shepard thinks they are just pets (that have done nothing but bite you up to this point)? Interesting. In one of the Ending stickied threads this was brought up. How renegade synth haters get everything they want, but paragons are forced to comprimise. Dispite this the majority of people don't play this way and that is what Bioware is betting on.

[Lord Goose]

So you gave Legion over to Cerberus in ME2 and trusted a VI with reaper code not to turn on you, but your Shepard thinks they are just pets (that have done nothing but bite you up to this point)?

Actually, I didn't. What was the only Paragon decision in the entire game, though.

but your Shepard thinks they are just pets (that have done nothing but bite you up to this point)? I

"Surely they are more sophistaced, but the geth aren't alive. They are machines. Machines hacked by the Reapers. Machines what should be put down".

How renegade synth haters get everything they want, but paragons are forced to comprimise. Dispite this the majority of people don't play this way and that is what Bioware is betting on.

I think that it's because Destroy is natural ending for Renegade. I had my douts during the playthrough, but after that speech on Rannoch, it was the only way how the character should have developed.

The problem is, that majority of people played as Paragons, and, thus were pissed out. What's why the whole ending rage started.

To me his implications are that Shepard will die too because of all his implants. We can agree to diagree here, but when I was playing and I got to that point I was expecting Shepard to die no matter what.

I understand your line of reasoning, but if they really wanted to trick Shepard, why didn't they said that he will die? Why say something what ambigous? It made me think that Shepard has chance of survival in Destroy, and I didn't even knew about "breath scene". 

Modifié par Lord Goose, 04 août 2012 - 07:48 .

[The Twilight God]

dreman9999 wrote...

They were over ran by the reapers because the reaper can focus a stronger control then ceberus. The reaper have more power. It was stated to control the reaper a strong power source was needed, that was the catalyst.

You just shot yourself in the foot.

You're contradicting yourself. If the Reapers control is so powerful how can TIM ever have known he could control anything? He would have been meet with failure. The only people he indoctrinates are his own creations. And even they are stated to have started to hear reaper voices.

There is nothing shown whatsoever to imply that TIM can control reapers or their forces. Just the ramblings of an indoctinated puppet. What is even the point of implanting himself with reaper tech and researching his own method if he didn't need any of that and knew he could just use the Crucible.

Shepard didn't need any special reasearch and implants to suicide himself at the Control console and supposedly take control. So what exactly was TIM expecting?

[Wulfram]

If the Catalyst is lying, then there's no reason to think Destroy will work either.

[dreman9999]

The Twilight God wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard dies in all endings. All dialog leading up paints a picture that Shepard will die no matter which choice he makes.

I think that you are mistaken.

In Control and Synthesis Catalyst is explicit when he tells Shepard what he will either die, or will be dispersed across the galaxy. In Low-EMS Destroy he also makes a point, that all people with synthetic implants would die.

In High-EMS Destroy he is vague about it ("even you are partly synthetic" doesn't mean that Shepard will definitely die" So Shepard either has to choose between "certain death" vs "high possibility of death".

Also, Reapers would also die.

Control and Synthesis have no downside compared to Destroy if taken at face value. None at all.

II just was playing Renegade and the situation was completely reversed. My Renegade Shepard treated synthetics as mix between pets and tools, and was actually going to wipe out geth because of quarians. It didn't happened, but only because she thought that it good to have more firepower.

Naturally, she choose "kill all Reapers and have a slim chance of survival".

To me his implications are that Shepard will die too because of all his implants. We can agree to diagree here, but when I was playing and I got to that point I was expecting Shepard to die no matter what.

So you gave Legion over to Cerberus in ME2 and trusted a VI with reaper code not to turn on you, but your Shepard thinks they are just pets (that have done nothing but bite you up to this point)? Interesting. In one of the Ending stickied threads this was brought up. How renegade synth haters get everything they want, but paragons are forced to comprimise. Dispite this the majority of people don't play this way and that is what Bioware is betting on.

1. One way or another, a preson can esilly see the geth as just tools. Sure , they can think, bu thte only reason why we are even bothering with them at the base concept  is that they can help us with the reapers. That's the same as any race. The geth are tools, the quarians are tools, the krogan, turians and ect are tools.

2.A person with that mind set would easilly consider the geth or any race desposible for the sake of victory.

3. Also, just because you renegade does not mean your out to save yourself. A renagade Shep can easily be willing to sacrifice themselves for victory just like any paragon. Renagade does not mean selfish.

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 août 2012 - 07:56 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Twilight God wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Not trying to start a war, just trying to get some insight.
For players who choose Control.

Why do you believe the catalyst? The Prothean VI, Vendetta, tells you that there was a splinter Prothean group who split apart and wanted to control the Reapers, but they failed. He also tells you countless cycles have tried the same, but they failed. TIM tried it and failed. So why do you believe that Shepard can do it, he's not god or a divine person, he's the same as everyone else who failed when trying to control the Reapers, a person. So why do you think Shepard can do it when countless of cycles before him have failed?

Look, I don't trust anyone who tells me I can control something after I'm dead.

I'm still wondering what Shepard's injury was. There's no bleeding at first. Broken ribs? Concussion? But in one scene bleeding down the arm which would indicate a shoulder or upper arm wound and due to the dark color not arterial (Anderson scene) and then the bleeding stops. No bleeding from the mouth or coughing of blood. So I'm guessing broken ribs which are damned painful.

And Shepard is going to have to eat, go potty, and sleep, and can't control the reapers then. So I'm guessing The Illusive Man actually was full of ****. Bottom line? You can't control the reapers.

Why do players believe the Catalyst? They're indoctrinated. Sorry. It's true. It's damned true.

What do you find odd?

The blood that mysteriously vanishes once in the Crucible docking chamber?

Or Shepard's miraculous recover when he decides to suicide himself in the synthesis beam and sprints to his death?

I find it odd that the blood suddenly appears during the Anderson scene, then disappears in the docking chamber.

The miraculous recovery doesn't bother me so much. People can stuff down pain. I've seen animals do that. Dogs do it all the time.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 04 août 2012 - 07:54 .

[dreman9999]

The Twilight God wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

They were over ran by the reapers because the reaper can focus a stronger control then ceberus. The reaper have more power. It was stated to control the reaper a strong power source was needed, that was the catalyst.

You just shot yourself in the foot.

You're contradicting yourself. If the Reapers control is so powerful how can TIM ever have known he could control anything? He would have been meet with failure. The only people he indoctrinates are his own creations. And even they are stated to have started to hear reaper voices.

There is nothing shown whatsoever to imply that TIM can control reapers or their forces. Just the ramblings of an indoctinated puppet. What is even the point of implanting himself with reaper tech and researching his own method if he didn't need any of that and knew he could just use the Crucible.

Shepard didn't need any special reasearch and implants to suicide himself at the Control console and supposedly take control. So what exactly was TIM expecting?

As I said before, they stated they need a strong power sorce to over whelm the reapers and control them...That is the crucible.

[The Twilight God]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. EDI is the normandy. Much of what make EDI who EDI is is in the ship its self. The normady is her body.
2.The citadel does nto control what the crucible does...The crucible controls the citadel.

1. EDI dies in Destroy and Normandy takes off and flies away. Dispite this she is still more part of the Normandy than the Star Child is the Citadel. Nice try trying to sidestep the subject.

But back to waht we were talking about: The Star Child is not part of the Citadel. Comparing him to EDI and the Normandy was a mistake on your part, but I think you realize that now.

2. Again, you are trying to shift the subject. I have already asserted that the Star Child is not the Citadel. The Citadel/Crucible relationshiop doesn't matter in the context of the Star Child until you can back up your claim that it is part of the Citadel. Good luck with that.  All you need to know is I'm saying that the Star Child is powerless to directly intervene. All it is there to do is indoctrinate and manipulate Shepard into suiciding himself to advance the reaper's agenda.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 04 août 2012 - 07:58 .

[Lord Goose]

Again, you are trying to shift the subject. I have already asserted that the Star Child is not the Citadel.

Actually, we have no evidence on that point.

Modifié par Lord Goose, 04 août 2012 - 08:03 .

[dreman9999]

The Twilight God wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. EDI is the normandy. Much of what make EDI who EDI is is in the ship its self. The normady is her body.
2.The citadel does nto control what the crucible does...The crucible controls the citadel.

1. EDI dies in Destroy and Normandy takes off and flies away. Dispite this she is still more part of the Normandy than the Star Child is the Citadel. Nice try trying to sidestep the subject.

But back to waht we were talking about: The Star Child is not part of the Citadel. Comparing him to EDI and the Normandy was a mistake on your part, but I think you realize that now.

2. Again, you are trying to shift the subject. I have already asserted that the Star Child is not the Citadel. The Citadel/Crucible relationshiop doesn't matter in the context of the Star Child until you can back up your claim that it is part of the Citadel. Good luck with that.  All you need to know is I'm saying that the Star Child is powerless to directly intervene. All it is there to do is indoctrinate and manipulate Shepard into suiciding himself to advance the reaper's agenda.

1. So what?Just because a synthetic dies does not means it's parts stop working or can't be used agein. Death for a synthetic does not mean death of it's body. It means death of it's persona. The normady is EDI's body, it does not mean EDI can't be taken away form it.

2......You make no sense at all. If that was the case, why offer Destroy at all if it had control over what the crucible does?

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 août 2012 - 08:06 .

[Lord Goose]

Also, just because you renegade does not mean your out to save yourself. A renagade Shep can easily be willing to sacrifice themselves for victory just like any paragon. Renagade does not mean selfish.

Ruthless is natural background for Renegade. War Hero for Paragon.
Ruthless lost 3/4 of his/her unit to kill the target.
War Hero risked his life for his allies going alone against the Batarians.

That's kind of gives you tendency.

[dreman9999]

Lord Goose wrote...

Also, just because you renegade does not mean your out to save yourself. A renagade Shep can easily be willing to sacrifice themselves for victory just like any paragon. Renagade does not mean selfish.

Ruthless is natural background for Renegade. War Hero for Paragon.
Ruthless lost 3/4 of his/her unit to kill the target.
War Hero risked his life for his allies going alone against the Batarians.

That's kind of gives you tendency.

I'm sorry, but that back ground is not basis of a renagade.

It have a renagade that is a sole servivor. she also has a death wish. And my other renagade Shep that does have a ruthless back ground would sacrific herself to kill the reapers.

Renagade does not mean not willing to die to stop the reapers.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The "even you are partly synthetic" is part of the indoctrination trying to talk you out of choosing Destroy.

I'll go by my first play of the story which didn't involve metagaming. The Geth had been hacked twice by the reapers. The heretics voluntarily. The others not. Then the main group voluntarily sided with them. Legion in ME2 had rejected the "old machines", now he was advocating using their coding. Now I was wondering if this would make them more vulnerable to being hacked, even if it were to give them AI status. So I sided with the Quarians. So no Geth hanging over my head. If it weren't for the reapers hacking them, I'd have said "fine, take your code." Tech is tech. Just because it's reaper tech doesn't make it "evil". It's how tech is used by people that makes it good or evil.

EDI? Losing EDI was a tragedy, but it had to happen in the end.

I didn't know I could save myself. I knew I was dead in Control and Synthesis. I knew those represented the things I'd fought against since both would leave organic life under the heel of the reapers. There was only one choice that would not. This choice also did not guarantee my death. Bye Bye Starbrat.

[Lord Goose]

Ruthless gives you bonus points for Renegade decisions. War Hero for Paragon. Its tendency, not an actual alignment.

Well, different example.

Try to refuse Destroy, and Shepard will not use the device because it will harm innocent synthetic allies.
Try to refuse Control and Shepard will say: ''I do not fight this war to lose everything I have''. Tell me what these are words of true Paragon.

[dreman9999]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The "even you are partly synthetic" is part of the indoctrination trying to talk you out of choosing Destroy.

I'll go by my first play of the story which didn't involve metagaming. The Geth had been hacked twice by the reapers. The heretics voluntarily. The others not. Then the main group voluntarily sided with them. Legion in ME2 had rejected the "old machines", now he was advocating using their coding. Now I was wondering if this would make them more vulnerable to being hacked, even if it were to give them AI status. So I sided with the Quarians. So no Geth hanging over my head. If it weren't for the reapers hacking them, I'd have said "fine, take your code." Tech is tech. Just because it's reaper tech doesn't make it "evil". It's how tech is used by people that makes it good or evil.

EDI? Losing EDI was a tragedy, but it had to happen in the end.

I didn't know I could save myself. I knew I was dead in Control and Synthesis. I knew those represented the things I'd fought against since both would leave organic life under the heel of the reapers. There was only one choice that would not. This choice also did not guarantee my death. Bye Bye Starbrat.

I'm sorry...I have 3 shepards that picked destory...It did not work.Also, before you get worried about the reapers getting you to do what they want, maybe you should understand what they want first...It's not reaping.