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[garrusfan1]

Money on the table it adds reunion. Hey I can hope can't I

[Seifer006]

Wrathra wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

The only Good Ending would be if Wrex came with Shepard and ate Casper the Ghost

I'd buy levithan for this. i'd even force myself to replay the game for this.

LOL!

yeah man. I'd force myself to this also.

[BrookerT]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I can also easily defend a horrible painting too.

But how can you define what is a horrible painting? I know people are going to hate me for saying this, but art is subjective, every view point is valid. This isn't me going on about "can't critiscize art", but for evey person who loves the Mona Lisa, there will always be people with well thought out arguments on why it sucks balls. It's who Art Critique works.

A painting and a story are two different things. As are art and literature.

No, they're really not. I say that the Last Supper is crowded and directionless, you say its brimming with life and full of dulcet tones. I say the Catalyst is an interesting plot point and that the closure I recieved was adequate and well written, you say the opposite I presume. Art Critque is subjective. All art is off subjective quality.

They're not that different? Okay, try getting a job as an artist with a degree in literature and vice versa, let me know how it works out for you. They are completely different fields. An artist doesn't have to abide by a set of rules to make his work better. A writer does.

Ok, now your going of on a tangent. Why are you involving jobs in this. Writing and painting is a hella different from 
art critique. Anyone can critique art, some one who has studied critical thinking or is a decorated critique had more experience sure. Your bringing real world restrictions into this conversation, which make no sense.

[KotorEffect3]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You know you will lose to the reapers if you don't activate that and you know that without metagaming.  Hackett and several others note that the reapers can't be defeated conventionaly.  Also dead reapers doesn't exactly promote reapers interest.

No. I don't know that. The fact that Hackett is a defeatist and a coward has no bearing on what I or Shepard thinks.

I can think of at least one way to win conventionally (by destroying the Catalyst). Shepard would try anything. Anything but standing there like an idiot.

Hackett is an alliance admiral and veteran with several decades of military experience and knowledge.  There is a reason he is coordinating all of the allied forces.  The dude knows what he is doing.  He knows war and he is a very practical man.  He knows what is realistic and he knows that chest pounding idealism won't defeat the reapers.

[The Angry One]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I am sure on Palevan, Tuchanka, Thessia etc... they aren't going to mind if a bunch of robots are deactivated as long as the reapers that were destroying those worlds are destroyed

Yes, they can go on blissfully unaware that their future was mortgaged to the Reaper agenda.
Doesn't change that it was, and the galaxy loses one of it's greatest, most pacifistic species because Shepard chose to take the word of a bigot as fact.

[shepdog77]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Money on the table it adds reunion. Hey I can hope can't I

You might as well flush that money down the toilet if you think there is going to be a reunion.

Or better yet, just give me the money now, and I'll put it towards Leviathan.

[BrookerT]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Defending the ending, though. Why? If you were offered one significantly better, would you refuse?

I was, the EC. There is always something better than what we have. If I was asked if I could have an hour's worth of ending content dedicated to EDI, more dialouge, extra content, 1000 different endgame scenarios for her then yes of course I would accept, but We have the endingg we have, I like it, and I will defend it, but there is always something better, but it is not always feasible to have

Creating a better ending isn't that difficult in this case. Just look at all the fan fiction endings. Most people consider the majority of them better endings. Bioware can make a better ending by removing (atleast some of) its fundamental problems.

Removing game content is hard, no seriously it is. You would need to sever all programming, and re-route all plot points. It's a bit of a clusterf*ck of programming. And it would need a really big download.

Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Thank you, mister bioware game developer.

Why are you being sarcastic? are you always this rude to people

[Conniving_Eagle]

Destroy is a temporary solution to the Catalyst's probelm. It doesn't diminish the purpose of the Reapers because eventually new AIs will be created (unless the Council REALLY cracks down) and they will come to resent organics once they learn about how the Reapers were stopped. It still fits the Reapers' agenda.

[The Angry One]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Hackett is an alliance admiral and veteran with several decades of military experience and knowledge.  There is a reason he is coordinating all of the allied forces.  The dude knows what he is doing.  He knows war and he is a very practical man.  He knows what is realistic and he knows that chest pounding idealism won't defeat the reapers.

He sacrificed an entire fleet to save his own hide, meanwhile the first fleet managed to get out of Sol on it's own and losing half it's forces. He botched the defence of Arcturus while Coronati was shooting down Sovereigns, he had a fleet orbiting Earth for no damn reason (that fleet was entirely destroyed, surprise!), he had 2 fleets in the colonies for no reason even though Alliance military doctrine is all about massed defence.

He's a practical man? He chose to rely on a deus ex machina from the past rather than actually fight a war.

[Xellith]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Destroy is a temporary solution
to the Catalyst's probelm. It doesn't diminish the purpose of the
Reapers because eventually new AIs will be created (unless the
Council REALLY cracks down) and they will come to resent organics once
they learn about how the Reapers were stopped. It still fits the
Reapers' agenda.

I disagree. I dont think that new synthetics would resent organics. It was nessisary for the survival of ALL life. Not just organics. The reapers must be destroyed - end of.

Modifié par Xellith, 04 août 2012 - 09:15 .

[KotorEffect3]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I am sure on Palevan, Tuchanka, Thessia etc... they aren't going to mind if a bunch of robots are deactivated as long as the reapers that were destroying those worlds are destroyed

Yes, they can go on blissfully unaware that their future was mortgaged to the Reaper agenda.
Doesn't change that it was, and the galaxy loses one of it's greatest, most pacifistic species because Shepard chose to take the word of a bigot as fact.

A little hard to call it the reaper agenda when all that is left of the reapers is corpses.  And in war like this the hard call has to be made.  I would rather sacrifice one synthetic species then let the whole galaxy die.  I guess refusers just aren't cut out to be marines let alone be in the spectres and make the tough call

[Conniving_Eagle]

[quote]BrookerT wrote...

[/quote]

Creating a better ending isn't that difficult in this case. Just look at all the fan fiction endings. Most people consider the majority of them better endings. Bioware can make a better ending by removing (atleast some of) its fundamental problems.[/quote]

Removing game content is hard, no seriously it is. You would need to sever all programming, and re-route all plot points. It's a bit of a clusterf*ck of programming. And it would need a really big download.

[/quote]

Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Thank you, mister bioware game developer.
[/quote]

Why are you being sarcastic? are you always this rude to people

[/quote]

Only when people have to use an obtuse and unsubstantiated argument.

[The Angry One]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Destroy is a temporary solution to the Catalyst's probelm. It doesn't diminish the purpose of the Reapers because eventually new AIs will be created (unless the Council REALLY cracks down) and they will come to resent organics once they learn about how the Reapers were stopped. It still fits the Reapers' agenda.

It actually manufactures conflict for the future.
Why? Because synthetics will be created again eventually, and those synthetics are going to find out that there was a previous species of synthetics that was murdered in order to save the organics.
Yeah I'm sure they'll have tons of fun explaining that one.

[KotorEffect3]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Destroy is a temporary solution to the Catalyst's probelm. It doesn't diminish the purpose of the Reapers because eventually new AIs will be created (unless the Council REALLY cracks down) and they will come to resent organics once they learn about how the Reapers were stopped. It still fits the Reapers' agenda.

The reapers are dead,  they can't have an agenda

[The Angry One]

KotorEffect3 wrote..


A little hard to call it the reaper agenda when all that is left of the reapers is corpses.  And in war like this the hard call has to be made.  I would rather sacrifice one synthetic species then let the whole galaxy die.  I guess refusers just aren't cut out to be marines let alone be in the spectres and make the tough call

The Reapers are pawns to this agenda.
Also, tough call? Sorry. Destroy (and the other pretty colours) is the easy way out. That's not a tough call at all, that's surrendering and hoping for the best.
Reject is the tough call. The decision to fight evil, and not give in to it's honeyed words.

[BrookerT]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Hackett is an alliance admiral and veteran with several decades of military experience and knowledge.  There is a reason he is coordinating all of the allied forces.  The dude knows what he is doing.  He knows war and he is a very practical man.  He knows what is realistic and he knows that chest pounding idealism won't defeat the reapers.

He sacrificed an entire fleet to save his own hide, meanwhile the first fleet managed to get out of Sol on it's own and losing half it's forces. He botched the defence of Arcturus while Coronati was shooting down Sovereigns, he had a fleet orbiting Earth for no damn reason (that fleet was entirely destroyed, surprise!), he had 2 fleets in the colonies for no reason even though Alliance military doctrine is all about massed defence.

He's a practical man? He chose to rely on a deus ex machina from the past rather than actually fight a war.

How is the Crucible a deus ex Machina? the fleet was orbiting earth because, surprise, it's where humanity comes from. The last reaper anyone face destroyed 8 cruisers, a whole army of them attacked earth, there was no chance in hell they would have had any success.

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Hackett is an alliance admiral and veteran with several decades of military experience and knowledge.  There is a reason he is coordinating all of the allied forces.  The dude knows what he is doing.  He knows war and he is a very practical man.  He knows what is realistic and he knows that chest pounding idealism won't defeat the reapers.

He sacrificed an entire fleet to save his own hide, meanwhile the first fleet managed to get out of Sol on it's own and losing half it's forces. He botched the defence of Arcturus while Coronati was shooting down Sovereigns, he had a fleet orbiting Earth for no damn reason (that fleet was entirely destroyed, surprise!), he had 2 fleets in the colonies for no reason even though Alliance military doctrine is all about massed defence.

He's a practical man? He chose to rely on a deus ex machina from the past rather than actually fight a war.

Because he couldn't win conventionally. I'd say he's a ****ing genius compared to the man you've painted in your scenario.

One Reaper is beatable. Thirty at once? That's a different story. One hundred? You're in deep ****.

You can't win conventionally with the resources you have at your disposal. Conventional victory is possible, but it won't be happening in this cycle. It's beyond impractical.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 04 août 2012 - 09:17 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Xellith wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Destroy is a temporary solution
to the Catalyst's probelm. It doesn't diminish the purpose of the
Reapers because eventually new AIs will be created (unless the
Council REALLY cracks down) and they will come to resent organics once
they learn about how the Reapers were stopped. It still fits the
Reapers' agenda.

I disagree. I dont think that new synthetics would resent organics. It was nessisary for the survival of ALL life. Not just organics. The reapers must be destroyed - end of.

But unless Shepard lies about what happened, and if everyone knows, synthetics will believe that organics view them as expendable. But I guess it all depends on those synthetics' views on "the ends justify the means."

[BrookerT]

[quote]Conniving_Eagle wrote...

[quote]BrookerT wrote...

[/quote]

Creating a better ending isn't that difficult in this case. Just look at all the fan fiction endings. Most people consider the majority of them better endings. Bioware can make a better ending by removing (atleast some of) its fundamental problems.[/quote]

Removing game content is hard, no seriously it is. You would need to sever all programming, and re-route all plot points. It's a bit of a clusterf*ck of programming. And it would need a really big download.

[/quote]

Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Thank you, mister bioware game developer.
[/quote]

Why are you being sarcastic? are you always this rude to people

[/quote]

Only when people have to use an obtuse and unsubstantiated argument.[/quote]

"Obtuse argument" What?

[KotorEffect3]

Well I just realized that this was another thread that haters and refusers have managed to derail. This thread was supposed to be about Leviathan

[Baa Baa]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Money on the table it adds reunion. Hey I can hope can't I

Not gonna happen bro.
Sadly.

[Baronesa]

BrookerT wrote...

How is the Crucible a deus ex Machina? the fleet was orbiting earth because, surprise, it's where humanity comes from. The last reaper anyone face destroyed 8 cruisers, a whole army of them attacked earth, there was no chance in hell they would have had any success.

And that contradict in universe lore...

The fleets are stationed on different points for a fast response, most of them used to be on Arcturus Station, because it offered better mobility, there was no need to put a fleet on Earth if the only way to reach the Charon Relay is through the Arcturus Relay... where Arcturus Station is...

[The Angry One]

BrookerT wrote...

How is the Crucible a deus ex Machina? the fleet was orbiting earth because, surprise, it's where humanity comes from. The last reaper anyone face destroyed 8 cruisers, a whole army of them attacked earth, there was no chance in hell they would have had any success.

Either defend Earth or don't. You don't send a single fleet to orbit Earth and expect it to survive the Reaper onslaught.
Given the numbers involved, Earth would fall. Fact. But the way the Reapers were splitting their forces, Arcturus Station could've been saved as well as more Alliance forces if they had concentrated their defence there.

Instead Hackett did the one thing Alliance military doctrine is supposed to advise against: He tried to defend everything and ended up defending nothing.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 août 2012 - 09:20 .

[KotorEffect3]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote..


A little hard to call it the reaper agenda when all that is left of the reapers is corpses.  And in war like this the hard call has to be made.  I would rather sacrifice one synthetic species then let the whole galaxy die.  I guess refusers just aren't cut out to be marines let alone be in the spectres and make the tough call

The Reapers are pawns to this agenda.
Also, tough call? Sorry. Destroy (and the other pretty colours) is the easy way out. That's not a tough call at all, that's surrendering and hoping for the best.
Reject is the tough call. The decision to fight evil, and not give in to it's honeyed words.

Yes fight a hopeless battle and snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory just to satisfy your own self righteous ego trip!  That makes so much more sense!