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[Omega2079]

Air Quotes wrote...

GI has ALL the tools you can possibly need and then some. 

So does every other character.

[UserUnknown85]

RedJohn wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

GI is only a boss killer, but it lacks in crowd contol.

Batarian in my opinion kill faster.

I have to say RedJohn, I really don't see it.

GI has the best damage output in the game, by far, with every weapon.

Batarian usually has blades + inferno grenades, since everyone ignores blade armor anyway.

BB is awesome CC, solid damage, but that is all the batarian soldier has. I'll admit to being a bit biased about inferno grenades, but you can't in any way call them "fast". They do huge amounts of damage, but they sure take their sweet time doing so.

Meanwhile, the GI can cloak to move around, deals insane amounts of damage with weapons, and basically shoots a free grenade every few seconds. Not to mention the 20% speed increase for moving around the map, or wallhack, both of which seem tailor-made for speed-running.

Batarian has very good CC, but GI has nice CC too thanks to mines, even if he doesn't even need to thanks to wallhack. Even if the BatSol could keep up when facing footsoldiers, the GI can take down an Atlas in 6 seconds with a piranha! How long would a BatSol need to do the same? 15-20 seconds at least, I figure. And he'd probably need a couple grenades as well.

well, GI need less time to take down an atlas or a Prime, yes, but while batarian takes out an atlas it can kill all the pyros, Hunters, Rocket troopers, Centurions, Cerb troops, Phantoms everything near the objective, that why I say that in my opinion batarian kill faster because when I say that I'm not talking about a single target, I'm talking about how many enemies can kill each one in a range of time, because the case is, GI kills a Prime in 6-7 seconds, but batarian can take out the same prime in 10 seconds or so also taking out 4 pyros and 3 rocket troopers ( not exact numbers of course ).

I've tried myself of do what I do with batarian with the GI, and I can't.
Also, I don't get killstreaks with GI, but I get them all the time with Batarian, yean, killstreaks only with BB's and my Harrier.

Maybe I am the one who is not using Gi properly, because I've tried it in lot of ways, soloing, with teams and I don't get the same results.

As an aside regarding geth heavy melee, a lot of people have been singing it's praises on the forums, but all of them that I have seen were playing on consoles. I have never seen a geth melee infiltrator succeed on gold on the PC. I tried it for a while, with very little success. Admittedly, I don't know the differences between the different gaming platforms, but I'm thinking some stuff might change from console to computer, like enemy reaction times, making the build harder to pull off. Sometimes you see console players pull off some crazy **** in their videos. Idk. Maybe I just suck...

Oh, that is just practice, GI melee is the best for me, I did long ago a solo almost using only melee with GI and it was great.

Hmmm, I dunno. I kill phantoms straggling behind atlases all the time with mines, too. I don't get killstreaks, and I can see your point regarding the claymore GI, but the piranha changes things considerably. It can easily wipe out packs of mobs itself with piercing abilities, because of the large spread, and up close you only need 2 shots to kill mooks, leaving you plenty of rounds to dish out some pain.

Also, give me 4 seconds and I can kill those 4 pyros as well! You also have to take into account the time you spend repositionning, and hunting down that last nemesis that eludes you

I guess different playstyles suit different players. I actually played the BatSol on platinum earlier today and could only do a fraction of what my GI is capable of, though I admit I don't use him (her?) very often. We should play a game sometime, see who racks up the most kills! I don't think I'm using BBs all that well, the long animation always gets my shields destroyed And I could sure use some first-hand demonstration!

[Immortal Strife]

Air Quotes wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

Yes, yes, I agree...Bioware please nerf the GI, TSol and Destroyer-that way Airquotes can still use the Piranha on his Fury. BEs and the Highest DPS gun in the game=perfect balance.

I don't use it on the Fury. I use a Paladin. I don't use Piranha much at all. But that's not the point. 

Your point is that the GI is the root cause for weapon nerfs-is it not? and you believe the Piranha is perfectly balanced on other classes excluding the TSol, GI and Destroyer. You proposed that accuracy bonuses not apply to shotguns on the big three weapon buffing classes, which, would essentially break them-especially the Turian.

The GI is arguable the best class, experienced players know this; thus, they use him for the fastest speed runs. There are however plenty of other classes that can speed run with great effect too, and a few even come close to the infamous GI, especially if they are all using the Piranha.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 05 août 2012 - 09:49 .

[Thoragoros]

Air Quotes wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Airquotes...you're STILL not understanding many of us here...

The vast majority of people can't snipe with a claymore across FB:dagger. Most people don;t look to their sides when they have HM on. Most players can't even play shotgun infiltrator since they'll try to attack one mook in a group of 5

Why is this so hard to understand for you?

Well if they are that hadicaped or mentally challenged nothing will help them. Unless you give them one "I WIN' button. Or Awesome button like they did with Dragon Age II.

GI has ALL the tools you can possibly need and then some. 

So...you believe that anyone who can't play the GI is...mentally challanged?

Man, we've got a lot of re-tards soloing Platinum with Soldiers and Sentinels.  

[Pedro Costa]

Thoughts on it?
And OP character that instead of getting itself nerfed, gets the weapons it uses nerfed so they can't be used by anybody else.

[Atheosis]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Thoughts on it?
And OP character that instead of getting itself nerfed, gets the weapons it uses nerfed so they can't be used by anybody else.

Someone seems to have forgotten the Hunter Mode and Tactical Cloak nerfs.

Modifié par Atheosis, 05 août 2012 - 09:05 .

[Pedro Costa]

Atheosis wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Thoughts on it?
And OP character that instead of getting itself nerfed, gets the weapons it uses nerfed so they can't be used by anybody else.

Someone seems to have forgotten the Hunter Mode and Tactical Cloak nerfs.

Oh, indeed, I forgot. It also gets other classes nerfed. =P

[Xhitaa]

Atheosis wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Thoughts on it?
And OP character that instead of getting itself nerfed, gets the weapons it uses nerfed so they can't be used by anybody else.

Someone seems to have forgotten the Hunter Mode and Tactical Cloak nerfs.

They won't rest until the TC on the GI can not last longer then 2 secs and the HM vision is limited to 10cm...

[Juancho51]

 A team of 4 Geth Infiltrators with Piranhas all specd for weapon damage and we finished plat in a little under 14 minutes.  They're definitely OP when used properly. lol.

[Sidney]

GI is great at crowd control, it is called the melee attack. You can get into a mob mix at a spawn point and basically drop all of them at the same time. I rarely use the actual shotgun I have in my hands because the melee does it all much better.

[Immortal Strife]

Juancho51 wrote...

 A team of 4 Geth Infiltrators with Piranhas all specd for weapon damage and we finished plat in a little under 14 minutes.  They're definitely OP when used properly. lol.

You can put the Piranha on 4 MQI and do a similar time. If you unequip the Pirahna, the time will fall off for both the GI team and MQI team-the Piranha is OP more so than the GI IMO.

[Bleachrude]

A proper test would not only be use the Piranha not only on the GI but ALL the classes. Can 4 krogan sentinels using the piranha beat platinum in under 20 minutes?

Can 4 batarian sentinels with the piranha do a speed run under 15 minutes?

[BoxOfBullets]

 I kinda thought that the GI was made to be OP.  It's the heavy hitting Infiltrator, doesn't need as much strategy to use effectively. 

[Thoragoros]

Bleachrude wrote...

A proper test would not only be use the Piranha not only on the GI but ALL the classes. Can 4 krogan sentinels using the piranha beat platinum in under 20 minutes?

Can 4 batarian sentinels with the piranha do a speed run under 15 minutes?

Not all classes are meant to have the same damage output.

Can you imagine if Krogan Vanguards were able to put out the same damage per second as a GI or a Destroyer and have their huge shields and health?  

So no, of course a group of Krogan Vanguards wouldn't be able to beat it in under 15 minutes, simply because they aren't meant to put out that kind of damage.  They are meant to have massive health and shields, with moderate damage output.

[DeathIsHere]

The problem with the GI is that if you mess with anything it has, you're affecting another class. Hunter mode or passives affect the not even close to OP Geth Engineer, Proxy Mine would affect a lot of classes and TC would affect all infiltrators. HM and TC have also already been nerfed. Personally, it needs its power configuration looked at. Maybe split its Hunter Mode off of the Geth Engineer's and lower it or something. Giving it TC, HM, and Proxy Mine was a recipe for disaster.

[megabeast37215]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

I have to admit, I feel that Air Quotes is just ignoring anything anyone else says and just continues to spout off the same thing over and over, even if others offer evidence to the contrary.

Everything Air Quotes has said... has been the truth. Alot of what he said isn't even opinion based... more fact based.

I think alot of people in this thread are ignoring the truth. The GI is more powerful than any class in the game, and he's not the squishiest character in the game... not even close really. He literally does everything well... and breaks guns to the point that we can't have nice things.

[Bleachrude]

Thoragoros wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

A proper test would not only be use the Piranha not only on the GI but ALL the classes. Can 4 krogan sentinels using the piranha beat platinum in under 20 minutes?

Can 4 batarian sentinels with the piranha do a speed run under 15 minutes?

Not all classes are meant to have the same damage output.

Can you imagine if Krogan Vanguards were able to put out the same damage per second as a GI or a Destroyer and have their huge shields and health?  

So no, of course a group of Krogan Vanguards wouldn't be able to beat it in under 15 minutes, simply because they aren't meant to put out that kind of damage.  They are meant to have massive health and shields, with moderate damage output.

Then try it with 4 human Infiltrators.

[megabeast37215]

Air Quotes wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...

I have to admit, I feel that Air Quotes is just ignoring anything anyone else says and just continues to spout off the same thing over and over, even if others offer evidence to the contrary.

All I see is GI's doing speedruns with weapons that they break with HM, Cloak and PM. 

I see my own scores and ease of play with a GI. 

And it's GI fault that every weapon has to be balanced around him and not for all classes. 

So much truth here it hurts.... I still don't see why people are resisting.

Look I like the GI... I use him frequently when I need to carry. That still doesn't change the facts.

[megabeast37215]

Chozo_Lord wrote...

It's only "broken" and "overpowered" on good skilled players.  Why don't you see lobbies full of geth shotgun infiltrators?  Because if you aren't skilled enough to kill the opponents fast enough and be smart enough to use cover effectively you will die extremely fast.  I don't think it's fair to judge a class just with the people of the bioware forums.  The people on the bioware forums (including myself) are most likely the top x% of all ME3 players in terms of skill and will make a geth shotgun infiltrator shine.

That's not true... I am a terrible player who has never soloed Gold or even Silver and I can trash Platinum with a Piranha GI or a Claymore GI... so can my 10 year old son. In fact... my 10 year old son AND I both did it earlier today... AND we carried a random in Platinum who only got 30k as a Destroyer.

[Omega2079]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Chozo_Lord wrote...

It's only "broken" and "overpowered" on good skilled players.  Why don't you see lobbies full of geth shotgun infiltrators?  Because if you aren't skilled enough to kill the opponents fast enough and be smart enough to use cover effectively you will die extremely fast.  I don't think it's fair to judge a class just with the people of the bioware forums.  The people on the bioware forums (including myself) are most likely the top x% of all ME3 players in terms of skill and will make a geth shotgun infiltrator shine.

That's not true... I am a terrible player who has never soloed Gold or even Silver and I can trash Platinum with a Piranha GI or a Claymore GI... so can my 10 year old son. In fact... my 10 year old son AND I both did it earlier today... AND we carried a random in Platinum who only got 30k as a Destroyer.

Are you saying the Destroyer is terribly underpowered? Or that the destroyer player was bad?

My skills are different than yours. I'd say the Krogan Vanguard is overpowered with it's health and shields. I find that easier than the GI.

Modifié par Omega2079, 05 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[megabeast37215]

Omega2079 wrote...

Are you saying the Destroyer is terribly underpowered, or that the destroyer player was bad?

My skills are different than yours. I'd say the Krogan Vanguard is overpowered with it's health and shields. I find that easier than the GI.

I'm saying the Destroyer player was bad... like... really bad. We just kept him b/c he had a mic.

I have yet to take the Kroguard into Platinum... b/c I'm terrible and will probably hold back the team.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 05 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[Thoragoros]

Bleachrude wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

A proper test would not only be use the Piranha not only on the GI but ALL the classes. Can 4 krogan sentinels using the piranha beat platinum in under 20 minutes?

Can 4 batarian sentinels with the piranha do a speed run under 15 minutes?

Not all classes are meant to have the same damage output.

Can you imagine if Krogan Vanguards were able to put out the same damage per second as a GI or a Destroyer and have their huge shields and health?  

So no, of course a group of Krogan Vanguards wouldn't be able to beat it in under 15 minutes, simply because they aren't meant to put out that kind of damage.  They are meant to have massive health and shields, with moderate damage output.

Then try it with 4 human Infiltrators.

The Human Infiltrators were broken by the TC nerf. 

Speaking of humans, frankly, Humans are a good example of why stuff needs buffing...not nerfing.

1) Human sentinels have been sub-par since the demon.

2) Human Adepts are obsolete once you unlook...any other adept.

3) Human Engineers are passable, but why use a Human Engineer once you got a GE, an SE, or a Demolisher?

4) Human Soldiers have been meh since the demo, and why use one once you've got a KS, Destroyer, or Batarian?

Omega2079 wrote...
My skills are different than yours. I'd say the Krogan Vanguard is overpowered with it's health and shields. I find that easier than the GI.

The KroGuard's strength is in his Charge+Melee combos.  Melee is gimped on Platinum, and as a result so is the KroGuard for the most part.

This is coming from someone who regularly solos Gold with the KroGuard.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 05 août 2012 - 10:59 .

[megabeast37215]

Thoragoros wrote...

The Human Infiltrators were broken by the TC nerf. 

The HI is still capable of the same damage as before the TC nerf. This argument is invalid. The HI sucks because Cryo blast and Sticky Grenade are subpar.

Speaking of humans, frankly, Humans are a good example of why stuff needs buffing...not nerfing.

1) Human sentinels have been sub-par since the demo.

Human Sentinel with Tech Armor specced for Power damage is a better Warper/Thrower than the Asari Adept. His powers due significantly more damage.

2) Human Adepts are obsolete once you unlook...any other adept.

That was true until shockwave got a buff to make it the best BE detonator in the game. Also... the Acolyte has changed the HA forever now b/c he has a reliable method of shield stripping, which exposes shielded mooks to Singularity. He can now detonate said mooks with the best detonator in the game too. So... that argument is shot down too.

3) Human Engineers are passable, but why use a Human Engineer once you got a GE, an SE, or a Demolisher?

That's pretty valid. Combat Drone is a decent power for CC... but that's it. He sucks largely because Incinerate sucks... and just about every class with Incinerate is subpar except the SE and QME... and they are good b/c their other powers are excellent.

4) Human Soldiers have been meh since the demo, and why use one once you've got a KS, Destroyer, or Batarian?

Seriously? Did you just say that? The Human Soldier is a top 5 class... largely b/c Adrenaline Rush is amazing on so many levels. Infiltrator quality damage boost, instant shield gate, instant reload for double barrel Claymore/Javelin action. He's the only character IMO that makes the Particle Rifle Platinum viable. He's downright amazing. 4 players recently beat Platinum/Reapers with just Human Soldiers using only Avengers, with no grenades and no rockets... I know a few of them.

My responses are in Bold/Italics.

Original Humans also have one of the best dodges in the game.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 05 août 2012 - 11:17 .