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[xcrunr1647]

The GI is powerful in anyone's hands, overpowered in a good player's hands. Only problem with that is, good players always make powerful classes look overpowered.

I'm finished with this conversation. Megabeast, let's just agree to disagree. I respect your opinions and I feel like you bring up some good points, but we're obviously on opposite ends of the spectrum with this issue.

[Thoragoros]

 

megabeast37215 wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

The Human Infiltrators were broken by the TC nerf. 

The HI is still capable of the same damage as before the TC nerf. This argument is invalid. The HI sucks because Cryo blast and Sticky Grenade are subpar.

Speaking of humans, frankly, Humans are a good example of why stuff needs buffing...not nerfing.

1) Human sentinels have been sub-par since the demo.

Human Sentinel with Tech Armor specced for Power damage is a better Warper/Thrower than the Asari Adept. His powers due significantly more damage.

2) Human Adepts are obsolete once you unlook...any other adept.

That was true until shockwave got a buff to make it the best BE detonator in the game. Also... the Acolyte has changed the HA forever now b/c he has a reliable method of shield stripping, which exposes shielded mooks to Singularity. He can now detonate said mooks with the best detonator in the game too. So... that argument is shot down too.

3) Human Engineers are passable, but why use a Human Engineer once you got a GE, an SE, or a Demolisher?

That's pretty valid. Combat Drone is a decent power for CC... but that's it. He sucks largely because Incinerate sucks... and just about every class with Incinerate is subpar except the SE and QME... and they are good b/c their other powers are excellent.

4) Human Soldiers have been meh since the demo, and why use one once you've got a KS, Destroyer, or Batarian?

Seriously? Did you just say that? The Human Soldier is a top 5 class... largely b/c Adrenaline Rush is amazing on so many levels. Infiltrator quality damage boost, instant shield gate, instant reload for double barrel Claymore/Javelin action. He's the only character IMO that makes the Particle Rifle Platinum viable. He's downright amazing. 4 players recently beat Platinum/Reapers with just Human Soldiers using only Avengers, with no grenades and no rockets... I know a few of them.

My responses are in Bold/Italics.

Original Humans also have one of the best dodges in the game.

 

Gotta love the "professors" here who speak only in terms of theory and what "Hardcore" players are pulling off.

For every 1 Human Sentinel I see in random matches, I probably see about 3-5 Turians or Krogans. I actually see more Paladin Sentinels then Human Sentinels. The reason is most likely Throw vs Overload vs the Turians. Krogan Sentinels are ME's closest thing to a Tank aside from the Kroguard.

Yes, there are indeed amazing Human Soldiers out there, but lets face it, they are a truly rare sight outside of "Leet teams." Play a few randoms.

Human Adepts...I cannot remember the last time I saw one.

As for the Human Infiltrator...I honestly do not think I've see a random using one since the Demo. Seriously.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 05 août 2012 - 11:30 .

[megabeast37215]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

The GI is powerful in anyone's hands, overpowered in a good player's hands. Only problem with that is, good players always make powerful classes look overpowered.

I'm finished with this conversation. Megabeast, let's just agree to disagree. I respect your opinions and I feel like you bring up some good points, but we're obviously on opposite ends of the spectrum with this issue.

For sure bud... we don't have to agree... friends can have differing opinions.

[megabeast37215]

Thoragoros wrote...

Gotta love the "professors" here who speak only in terms of theory and what "Hardcore" players are pulling off.

For every 1 Human Sentinel I see in random matches, I probably see about 3-5 Turians or Krogans. I actually see more Paladin Sentinels then Human Sentinels. The reason is most likely Throw vs Overload vs the Turians. Krogan Sentinels are ME's closest thing to a Tank aside from the Kroguard.

Yes, there are indeed amazing Human Soldiers out there, but lets face it, they are a truly rare sight outside of "Leet teams." Play a few randoms.

Human Adepts...I cannot remember the last time I saw one.

As for the Human Infiltrator...I honestly do not think I've see a random using one since the Demo. Seriously.

That's true about the Human Sentinel... they are under appreciated.

I think few Human Soldiers are seen b/c alot of people view the class as boring.

True about the Human Adepts... I saw a spike in usage after the shockwave buff.

Human Infiltrator... very true... they do suck.

I'm off to dinner with the family... I'll be back to debate with all you good fellows in an hour or two.

[DeathIsHere]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

The Human Infiltrators were broken by the TC nerf. 

The HI is still capable of the same damage as before the TC nerf. This argument is invalid. The HI sucks because Cryo blast and Sticky Grenade are subpar.

My responses are in Bold/Italics.

Original Humans also have one of the best dodges in the game.

Just to mention, you can't call the argument invalid because they can still do the same damage (which they can't, at best they do at least 10% less, possibly much more depending on evolutions). There's more to Tactical Cloak than damage, and the duration was one of them. The biggest point with humans was that they could be team players while still having a damaging ability (TC's original damage and duration). Without the TC, they either go full team support by speccing into duration with zero supporting powers (Cryo Blast and Sticky Grenade aren't good enough to make up for the damage loss) or go for damage and lose the duration, giving you a meh damage bonus for whatever weapon you wanna use but no utility to go with it and no powers to make it versatile.

The TC nerf put the nail in the coffin for the human infiltrator but it's a combination of things that caused that, the not-so-great power combo of Cryo Blast and Sticky Grenade being one of them.

Modifié par DeathIsHere, 05 août 2012 - 11:56 .

[Bleachrude]

Say whatÉ

Human Infiltrator is STILL an infiltrator and shotgun infiltrator is still effective even with the lowly human.

What Bioware needs to do is release an update of that poster they released relatively early in the ME3 lifecycle....

Soldiers back then WERE the most popular class, followed by Vanguards then Infiltrators.

[JCD89]

The same whining all the time.