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[Sgt SuperWae]

My brother just started playing ME3 multiplayer and is currently an N7 13 with an Avenger I as his only AR.  He has no weapon mods, and few to none ammo/weapon/armor amps to equip.

Even though it's Bronze, killing things doesn't go very quickly with a beginner's setup.  And it'll probably be awhile before he has the stacked arsenal many of us take for granted that make Bronze so ridiculously easy.

Yet, despite his predicament, things are made even more difficult by N7 300+ players, armed with substantially better weapons/gear, filling up Bronze lobbies. I even saw an N7 4000+ with a Harrier II and Piranha X ready-up in one of these beginner's lobbies.

Expectedly, these well-equipped players with more game knowledge end up killing everything before my brother even gets a chance to explore the map. How are beginners supposed to learn fundamental game machanics and strategies under these circumstances?

Now, I kind of understand why there might be so many players coming into higher difficulties before they're ready. It's because Bronze is littered with more experienced players that make it impossible to learn first-hand.

At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze and leave that difficulty to newer players. That's where they're supposed to learn the basics that SO MANY people on these forums complain that low-level players seem to lack.

Until that happens, we really have no right to judge any budding player's competency in higher difficulties.

 

[D Amiri]

If they weren't using Lvl 20's then there is no reason to complain. They also just gave your brother easy credits and exp in the smallest amount of time. Making it much quicker to get those weapons and characters he's jealous of.

[SeaJayX]

I was about to go eat but I wanted to get one last match in so I did a bronze/glacier match the other day.

5x 2nd place with a 12 minute extraction.
Sorry bout that, guys.

[Sgt SuperWae]

Jealousy has nothing to do about it, and the fact that they make it so easy is precisely the problem. Good players are forged under fire, not when someone does all the work for them.

And,no. None of the players I saw were using lvl. 1 characters.

[ElementL09]

If experienced players need to move up from bronze, then why don't inexperienced players move down from higher leveled lobbies (Silver, Gold, Platinum)?

Seriously though, bronze is easy credits and a testing ground for any build players want.

[IllusiveManJr]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...
At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze

 

No. There's some people who play ME3's multiplayer for leisure and enjoy Bronze.

[Feonir]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...


Expectedly, these well-equipped players with more game knowledge end up killing everything before my brother even gets a chance to explore the map. How are beginners supposed to learn fundamental game machanics and strategies under these circumstances?

It's because Bronze is littered with more experienced players that make it impossible to learn first-hand.

At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze and leave that difficulty to newer players. That's where they're supposed to learn the basics that SO MANY people on these forums complain that low-level players seem to lack.

Until that happens, we really have no right to judge any budding player's competency in higher difficulties.

 

So I went and removed some filler text so we can look at the core of this "point" you seem to have. So us higher N7's should just...what not promote ever? Or I know we can gimp our teams as a level 1 in a silver or get booted from lobbies for trying to join up gold's at level 1?

God forbid your brother actually watch these people and I dont know, learn from them. And while we are on the subject of gear, the easiest way to be equal to any high up N7's without a harrier or Typhoon or Captain Johhny's Taliwacker 9000 is to use a power class which are pretty even with another power user save for the occasional cross map pistol headshot.

There is a plethora of learning to be had by watching more experienced players or hell even asking them during a match and saying. "Hey JimBob1961XGokuWeedkilla7 yer pretty snazzy with that there Deff gun mind showing me a few pointers?"

But no, lets just throw up our hands **** and scream about unfairness and try to chase away people who can get your brother easier credits so he can catch up to the rest of us and, I dont know, maybe learn how to use the Taliwacker 9000 before he gets it.

[davidman92]

I'm a Gold/Platinum player, but sometimes I like to Rambo around and kill everything. I'm not going to apologize for that. That said, I tend to do that in Silver these days.

[Tallgeese_VII]

I do that once in a while. Nobody seemed to hate me for being high N7 well loaded bronze player.

[Thoragoros]

I'm N7 440, or there about, and I still regularly promote my Adepts, Engineers, and Infiltrators.

So...when I promote an Adept and send him back to Level 1, what am I supposed to do? Enter a Platinum match and expect to be carried?

[Xoroshi]

I definitely agree with the OP. I'm a N7 100 so I'm pretty new to the game. It's extremely frustrating trying to learn the game when there's nothing I can do. Why are 1500+ players in Bronze with their level 20 N7 characters? I couldn't care less about getting "easy points." I no longer play Bronze games as they're simply too easy.

[Computron2000]

I agree with the OP. If you want to test something, so it solo. If you want to purely relax like i sometimes do, don't bring your map destroyer build to bronze. Take a lousy weapon, no gear and walk around.

The bronze players do need to learn the basics and if you firebomb the map, they don't get to do anything (hence learn nothing)

Edit: For people who want to promote, a bronze solo is no big deal. Hell even a silver run isn't that difficult with a level 1 as long as you know how to use a gun

Modifié par Computron2000, 04 août 2012 - 09:25 .

[Strelsky]

So what we are supposed to just go struggle and get angry playing platinum when we just want to play casually? I think not.

[Zimek]

I'm N7 878 and I play bronze for fun, with weapons I never use on gold/plat, like Incisor. no amps or gear

Modifié par Zimek, 04 août 2012 - 09:24 .

[Tallgeese_VII]

Anyway, isn`t that what the kick system is for?
If they hate a player that may potentially make the game too easy.. why not kick the player?
If lvl 20 demolisher with fully loaded grenaded join a bronze game.. you know she will wreck the entire place even before enemies show up. Kick the **** out of her !

[Sgt SuperWae]

Feonir wrote...

Sgt SuperWae wrote...


Expectedly, these well-equipped players with more game knowledge end up killing everything before my brother even gets a chance to explore the map. How are beginners supposed to learn fundamental game machanics and strategies under these circumstances?

It's because Bronze is littered with more experienced players that make it impossible to learn first-hand.

At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze and leave that difficulty to newer players. That's where they're supposed to learn the basics that SO MANY people on these forums complain that low-level players seem to lack.

Until that happens, we really have no right to judge any budding player's competency in higher difficulties.

 

So I went and removed some filler text so we can look at the core of this "point" you seem to have. So us higher N7's should just...what not promote ever? Or I know we can gimp our teams as a level 1 in a silver or get booted from lobbies for trying to join up gold's at level 1?

God forbid your brother actually watch these people and I dont know, learn from them. And while we are on the subject of gear, the easiest way to be equal to any high up N7's without a harrier or Typhoon or Captain Johhny's Taliwacker 9000 is to use a power class which are pretty even with another power user save for the occasional cross map pistol headshot.

There is a plethora of learning to be had by watching more experienced players or hell even asking them during a match and saying. "Hey JimBob1961XGokuWeedkilla7 yer pretty snazzy with that there Deff gun mind showing me a few pointers?"

But no, lets just throw up our hands **** and scream about unfairness and try to chase away people who can get your brother easier credits so he can catch up to the rest of us and, I dont know, maybe learn how to use the Taliwacker 9000 before he gets it.

Advice can only go so far. If skill came as easily as listening to someone telling you how to do something, homework or sports practices wouldn't exist.

Learning is best done by doing, and if high-leveled players are doing all the work, how are beginners supposed to learn by ezperience?

[Psycho Pisces]

Look, I play bronze to have fun... An by playing bronze with other high levels and bringing in a "Guinnea Pig" low level.. We teach them a few things as well.. If they are listening over the microphone and have questions we answer them and teach them strategy on where Enemies spawn and where good choke points and cover spots are.

I will purposely slow myself down an let people get kills if I find myself overly aggressive.. Bring people UP to your level, not drag them down.. No one will ever learn unless they experiment, and have encouragement from people who have played longer or know something that the other person may not.

So I should abandon silver and bronze because I can play well with others in gold?

[Xoroshi]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

Anyway, isn`t that what the kick system is for?
If they hate a player that may potentially make the game too easy.. why not kick the player?
If lvl 20 demolisher with fully loaded grenaded join a bronze game.. you know she will wreck the entire place even before enemies show up. Kick the **** out of her !

A new player might not recognize that someone else is making the game easy for them. Hell, a lot of new people might not even realize you can kick someone.

[Dormiglione]

Im a N7 level 1100 and you can imagine that i have a lot of high level weapon, why im still playing bronze? Because i have fun playing it. Sure, from time to time i play silver and gold matches, but always come back to bronze. So why should i leave it?

[LtAdams2247 Origin]

D Amiri wrote...

If they weren't using Lvl 20's then there is no reason to complain. They also just gave your brother easy credits and exp in the smallest amount of time. Making it much quicker to get those weapons and characters he's jealous of.

Very generous of them. How come though that they don't seem to be so generous when a player with little experience enters a gold lobby? I think OP has a valid point.

[JHARTIFEX]

This is the most noobish thing I ever done..but here it goes.

When I first started the me3 mp, I didn't bother to download any of the DLCs that had come out.
I played without them and I found many others with my same N7 ranking. I learned quick and stuff.
I reached to N7 200. After that I download the dlcs.

So....here I am. xDDD

[DivineAtropos]

I don't even play bronze after I promote. I jump right into silver because it's stupidly easy to blow through it with a level 1 toting ridiculous weaponry.

The only time I'd conceivably play bronze is for a weekend event where we need X amount of extractions or something, to help boost the community total as quickly as possible. Otherwise I find bronze to be a waste of time.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Cosigned, OP. I've found that I don't even need to play bronze to promote, because it's inevitable that opening up a pack with yet another character card levels that class up enough to play on silver. Bronze isn't enough of a challenge for new players because the more experienced people bring loadouts that are overpowered for Bronze, even if they are playing at level one. That's why I jumped into silver sooner than I should have. I've got a decent amount of stuff now so I'm good. I'm playing more gold lately. I know how it was when I was starting out, though. While I do pick up some good strategies every now and again by watching other players, I learn best by actually playing.

[Cole Frehlen]

I take my level 1s to bronze after promoting for a couple of games.

If I'm trying out a completely new character/build/weapon that could go horribly wrong, I'd rather try it out in bronze where I could probably still get to extraction.

Sometimes I'm a few thousand away from a premium spectre pack, or an equipment pack, and I don't feel like pugging silver or gold just for a few quick credits.

And sometimes, just sometimes, I want to relax and have a bit of fun.

I play all difficulties, bronze to platinum, sometimes all in the same space of play. Yesterday I played 6 golds followed by 3-manning bronze just to blow off a little steam.

[.458]

I typically do not complain about N7 level in any difficulty. As far as well-equipped players doing bronze, there is one reason for this: To test. If I do something on a character I don't play, this is about the only time I do bronze. But my weapons are mostly 10s, so there is no way around that. In a game where someone else is doing that much better, about the only thing your brother can do is try to push the envelope and accept that it's the cost of participating under the circumstances, that he might as well try doing things riskier than normal. Not just to get to kill things, but to get used to knowing what doesn't work. If he can get away with it, it's good practice. Just don't get the idea that it is right or wise.