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[Joush]

Most high rated players with good gear in Bronze are either not interested in a bigger challenge or find bronze hard enough.

Not everyone has equal skills, even with equal time in the game. Some people hate to lose or want to enjoy blowing away foes with minimal focus and effort.

I consider myself good enough for gold, but tend to play silver because in gold I'm only going to be successful if I have people with at least almost my skill level or above. (Losing on wave 6 of Gold with twice the score of everyone else is less fun for me then finishing Silver in second place.)

[Archonsg]

First off, N7 rank means next to nothing, it could be my daughter taking my Toon out so she can have fun.

It does mean however, that I did spend time and effort to get experience, credits and equipment so as not to suck. I paid my dues in the lower levels, so excuse me for wanting to play without wondering if my team will run around like headless chickens, wondering if they have good judgment in when to use a missle or god forbid, tap the keyboard's spacebar so help could come or use a damned medigel if needed.

See this in Bronze, Silver and Gold. And no, I do play in Bronze to lvl 16 or so before going to Silver not because I want frack your game but because I actually want to have the skill sets to contribute to a Silver or Gold match.

To the OP, if you are in a match lobby and see a high N7 and don't want his help, just vote kick him or her, usually just seeing that one "X" is message enough and speaking for myself, I 'll leave the lobby.

If, however the stupid matching system put me in there, as it often disregard my preference for silver and drop me in platinum, gold and bronze matches, well too bad. I' ll remove myself from Platinum and gold especially if i didn't come in with consumables, but I am sure am not going to drop out of a bronze match.

As for crappy players up in the higher levels and blaming it on good players in the lower levels, get real. That is why there's a difficulty level progression. Its up to you, to know what you can or cannot do. Which is why while I can solo bronze or silver, I CAN'T solo gold yet and so, I leave Platinum alone, and play Gold only if I feel up to it snd definitely not with some N7 16 with a Lvl 8 and an Avenger II.

Bottom line, don't want me in your group let me know, I 'll join others who do but don't blame crappy skills on other than the person who didn't take the time to learn or test themselves before jumping into the deep end of the pool.

[El Chupacabra49]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Sgt SuperWae wrote...
At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze

 

No. There's some people who play ME3's multiplayer for leisure and enjoy Bronze.

When I play for leisure I just play on silver.  Same if I'm level 1

[parico]

Id rather see high n7s in bronze than n7s below 100 cluttering my gold and silver matches like lately. I play bronze till at least level 8-10 as below that and you are a bit of a liability on higher difficulties for a team with most characters. This thread is a good laugh though

[RSA586]

No one has yet justified the OTHER half of your argument. There is no reason for an awful or inexperienced player to feel justified playing gold or platinum, regardless of their experience on lower difficulties. Again, I don't and haven't played bronze in months because there's no challenge in it once you have decent level weapons and equipment. If a highly experienced player jumps onto bronze just to be a kill****, I agree they're being a jerk. But there's no logical justification for the sheer amount of horribly inexperienced players overstepping their limitations and expecting to be carried on difficulties they can't handle at all.

Again, does it suck having a high level on a bronze match stealing kills? Yes. But at least you win. All the scrubs who are more concerned with getting credits rather than actually getting BETTER at the game and improving their skills have been ruining public gold lobbies (and now platinum) for months now.

[MacGarrus]

I recently converted a mate of mine to ME3 and have been giving him some advice on how best to optimise his current situation. At first he was just getting used to the mechanics of each weapon he had but after a while he switched from a heavily weapons oriented class: the Human Infiltrator, to a very effective caster class: the Human Sentinel. Then I gave him tips on how to make the most of the HSent's powers and playstyle, told him about keeping cooldowns low, taught him how to use Biotic Explosions on his class and gave him a suggested build to work on. He's not bad by any means, he's able to hold his own but yes, I will still be stronger than him and be able to clear out the enemies much quicker. While I'm doing so however, I'm using the same class he is in the hopes that he'll start to emulate what I do and pick up some of the tricks I've learned.

[MWaHa]

D Amiri wrote...

If they weren't using Lvl 20's then there is no reason to complain. They also just gave your brother easy credits and exp in the smallest amount of time. Making it much quicker to get those weapons and characters he's jealous of.

[Fang92]

MWaHa wrote...

D Amiri wrote...

If they weren't using Lvl 20's then there is no reason to complain. They also just gave your brother easy credits and exp in the smallest amount of time. Making it much quicker to get those weapons and characters he's jealous of.

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I fail to see what part of the early post was hard to understand. The guy got credits and exp, so hes closer to getting the stuff he wants sooner. why does this need to be spoonfed to you?

[silencekills]

I find it easeier to do this. Let's me easily look at it and respond to the points.

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

My brother just started playing ME3 multiplayer and is currently an N7 13 with an Avenger I as his only AR.  He has no weapon mods, and few to none ammo/weapon/armor amps to equip.

Allways good to have a new player!
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Even though it's Bronze, killing things doesn't go very quickly with a beginner's setup.  And it'll probably be awhile before he has the stacked arsenal many of us take for granted that make Bronze so ridiculously easy.

I don't know about that. A human soldier with a level 1 Avenger can tear **** up. The Mantis (which I THINK comes on the class out the gate) also one hits stuff with adrenaline rush. Shuriken does good with headshots, which it is good at getting with that burst. Predator and Evicerator are the only real downers.
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Yet, despite his predicament, things are made even more difficult by N7 300+ players, armed with substantially better weapons/gear, filling up Bronze lobbies. I even saw an N7 4000+ with a Harrier II and Piranha X ready-up in one of these beginner's lobbies.

Yeah, but when i'm in a Bronze lobby, I usually don't notice them in game. (on my low alt) Maybe when my underpowered guns are taking ages to make a dent in an armored higher tier enemy and then a guy comes over and melts through it, but I usually thank them for the support and go on with the match. To be honest, those are allways the funnest for me. Makes me feel like everyone has a role. 
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Expectedly, these well-equipped players with more game knowledge end up killing everything before my brother even gets a chance to explore the map. How are beginners supposed to learn fundamental game machanics and strategies under these circumstances?

I have to say that this is an exageration. Killing enemies will not stop you from exploring the map due to how this game is set up. Unless your following the guy that is doing all this killing, you likely run into your own group of enemies and will be able to either clear them out or get in some kills and damage before Mr.Killington gets there to help.
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Now, I kind of understand why there might be so many players coming into higher difficulties before they're ready. It's because Bronze is littered with more experienced players that make it impossible to learn first-hand.

Where did Silver go? I don't think it's logical to jump from Bronze straight to Gold/Platinum. Silver is the perfect balance I think. It's not overly hard, there are more enemies, they take a bit longer to kill, and you still die if you run around in the open like an idiot for TOO long. I learned way more from Silver than I ever COULD from Bronze because bronze was just too easy. You don't need a strategy in Bronze other than take cover when you lose your shields and run away when the dangerous enemies get close to you, which is kinda the strategy for everything.
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At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze and leave that difficulty to newer players. That's where they're supposed to learn the basics that SO MANY people on these forums complain that low-level players seem to lack.

Nope, can't agree with this. Bronze is like a stress reliever. It's good for people to just toy around in. Bringing super powered guns to them just makes it smooth. It's also a good place to test out new builds and how best to use them. Finally, when i'm a fresh promoted character, I don't hang around in silver lobbies so I can be dead weight with my two flimsy powers. I do bronze (not solo because I find solo boring and long. It's a team game and I like to at least have someone else there to fight against the horde) untill I feel like getting more credits. Sometimes I don't leave untill i'm level 18-20 because I get at least one level up per game.
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Until that happens, we really have no right to judge any budding player's competency in higher difficulties.

Can't agree with this. Bronze is bronze. Everyone can function in bronze. Not everyone can function in Gold/Platinum. If your an Asari Adept carrying a low-level Claymore and Widow (because that is a very damaging combo and OBVIOUSLY a benefit to every class () ) in bronze your not really hurting anyone but yourself since the weapons actually do perform well enough that it doesn't matter that you rarely get the chance to perform a Biotic Explosion. When you do that in Gold/Platinum, you are dragging down the rest of the team by not performing at anywere near optimal strength. Silver is the true training ground. Bronze is just to familiarize yourself with the weapons, your powers, and the enemies, along with teaching you to get in cover when your shields are down. If your really bad, you also learn to stick with the team if not only for a quick revive.
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At least, that is how I see it.

Modifié par silencekills, 05 août 2012 - 01:49 .

[LDStaredown]

So...Bronze needs a buff?

[sobbos]

I was playing gold within two weeks after I first purchased the game.
However, with all the nerfs towards the actual players of the games and with all the buffs of the enemy factions, it truly would be challenging to start this game in comparison to what it was when it first came out. However, if you jump into platinum and just started this game, you will always get the boot. The few exceptions to this being if my team and I feel like carrying a newbie or not.

Modifié par sobbos, 05 août 2012 - 01:58 .

[Senshirou]

people play bronze or silver after they promote a character to level up their characters. I kick anyone on platinum who uses a character that's lv 4 regardless of N7 ranking, my friends know this as well. Just quit playing if you have a problem with me and other people with high N7s coming in bronze.

Modifié par Senshirou, 05 août 2012 - 01:59 .

[Knight_Quack]

Bronze it's to easy, silver is fine, gold/plat is hard without a good team/setup. So I enjoy silver the most. Allez argent!!

[tCruzin4lyfe]

I agree with the OP, no reason for Lvl20 characters in a Bronze match. Now there are high N7's that promote so it's understandable that they level them back up that way. Me personally, I would never go back down to bronze, if I want to level up I'll do a silver match with friends. With all the gear & equipment a Lvl1 character can hold his own on silver with a good team, even solo if the player is good.

[MystEU]

Depending on the class, I would take a level 1 to a Bronze game before moving up to Silver, but I've been pretty beastly on the score even with a level 1 Adept in Silver, haha. Not saying I deserve a gold medal for that, but in some cases I don't even bother with Bronze on a new character. It really depends on the class.

[perducci]

i'm a silver level player who does occasional golds and still does bronze on a regular basis as well.

why?

i'm not good enough to solo carry a squad on my back. get stuck with a couple bad players in silver and just getting through round 10/payout requires significant use of medigel, thus negating any financial gain. all the winnings go to the 35k gear pack (actually a net loss) to replace medigels.

when testing new builds, new weapons, classes i am not good with, or a couple back-to-back frustrating matches i'll drop down to bronze to blow stuff up and know i won't have to burn any consumables.

the difference between me punching below my weight and a new player stepping up to gold is i don't really cost you anything. you might not rack up as many points as you would with a less experienced player in that slot... but my points contribute to your XP, and ensure credits for your time.

the inexperienced player jumping up two levels can easily drag a team down and deny them success and the almighty credits. if you put three borderline silver-gold players (like me) in a group with deadweight, it can result in total failure.

[Lucifuture]

So level 20 with a high N7 and harrier X shows up, boot them or leave the lobby problem solved.

On Gold and Platinum you can regularly quit lobbies that have nothing going for them as well as boot under leveled/equiped people.

[samftrmdfhl]

If you don't like high rank player, just leave. You did not buy the whole company and the server. It does not belong to you only.

[.458]

JiceDuresh wrote...

.458 wrote...
You're still wrong. It's called "learning". Yes, it sucks. But I'm 100% right.

Lets try not to be patronising to people.  It's not like we're talking about 5 years old we have to ween onto video games, new players are usually young adult or adults.  We don't have to give them kid gloves all the time and pretend they aren't playing to just enjoy the game and not just learn all the time.

Learning in school didn't mean that the smartest kid did everyone's homework.  Colleges don't teach auto mechanics by getting students to google maps the nearest Mr.Lube, and workplaces don't train by just giving the fastest employee the new guy's work to do.  Hands on is how you learn, which is held back by greedy players.

He hasn't said anything correct yet. Blaming someone for leaching without knowing it??? Come on, people have to play the game to learn it. That also means seeing other people do it better at times, even if they are wrong for doing it! Patronising is telling someone they are learning to be a leach by being in a game with someone better geared and more experienced. THAT is offensive. THAT is condescending. Since when do we blame victims and when do we stop complaining about the grass being greener on the other side of the fence?

[ajburges]

Problem is that over leveled in bronze does not fail the mission.

Do they belong? Probably not (but TS and KS are hilarious there), but it isn't wasting your time/equipment investment towards winning.

[Kataigida]

I only play bronze with a character of lvl 10<

I see no point in playing bronze with a character of a higher level than that. I can already top the score-board as a lvl 1 character with the right weapons and certain characters, even against lvl 18+ players, but I know that it's annoying having a high N7/equipped player just slaughter everything, so I try and move up once I hit ten, since I can get to that lvl in two matches and then don't have to worry about people kicking me on silver for being lvl 1

[Father Superior]

If I'm going to level up my character, I don't intend to f*** up a Gold/Platinum lobby while doing it. So where do I go? Bronze. The difficulty for freshly promoted characters. And are you really complaining about players using good loadouts? I don't have any remotely useful powers at Level 1, what am I supposed to rely on for dealing damage? Should my Justicar with Reave 1 & Biotic Sphere 1 be using a Locust and an Arc Pistol? Would that make you happy? And how does ranking up my low level characters in a difficulty where it won't hurt other players make it okay for inexperienced players to go around f*cking up games in higher difficulties that they are obviously not ready for? If you want to advocate for lower-leveled players, that's fine, just do it in an intelligent manner.

[FredTheAlmighty]

When did you get the right to tell people what difficulty to play?

[Colonel Sheppard]

I've saw this phenomenon back when I was leveling up and before I knew about the magic of using character cards to level up. It's ridiculous seeing people use level 20 characters and good guns on bronze and silver. The noobs don't get any chance to learn. There are a lot of sucky players who constantly promotes under the bronze and silver umbrella... or FBWGG. It's so sad to see N7 2000+ players playing FBWGG. Really? The game's been out since March and these guys haven't gotten good enough to leave bronze/silver/FBWGG? Bogus high N7 is nothing to be proud of if you cannot freestyle platinum.