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[Zero132132]

Decided to try to test this earlier. Not sure what the difference is between starter levels at I vs. X, but I promoted and used only a human starter class with the starter weapons, no gear or consumables or anything. Just because I knew the spawn points, even at level 1, I was second (first was a level 20 slayer), but I was clearly outclassed by the level 20 with a decent arsenal.

If I were playing like that now, I don't think I'd pick up on a lot of game mechanics. I also do think I'd have the sense that the game is easier than it actually is. Kind of understand where the OP is coming from.

[Ogrinash]

Eh, even if better/more experienced players kill all, the new players will still get credits to buy new stuff.

[N00813]

Gold is hard.

Play bronze for fun, you know?

[Biotic_Warlock]

"Until high N7-"

Stopped reading there.

[Arppis]

Well, some people like to faceroll pwn, instead of hiding in cover and using tactics.

Too bad your brother isn't getting the kills and all, but still. Thats the way it will be.

[Paradox6006]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

Jealousy has nothing to do about it, and the fact that they make it so easy is precisely the problem. Good players are forged under fire, not when someone does all the work for them.

And,no. None of the players I saw were using lvl. 1 characters.

So true

[dvjm]

It's OK to try out new loadouts/characters/stratgies on Bronze... but I have to say I was embarrassed after my first bronze match with a level 20 Fury with Talon V. It was a little more than a touch overpowered for Bronze... but how was I to know that until I'd tried it?

[A MIAOW]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

Jealousy has nothing to do about it, and the fact that they make it so easy is precisely the problem. Good players are forged under fire, not when someone does all the work for them.

And,no. None of the players I saw were using lvl. 1 characters.

I fully understand the sutiation you mentioned.

For myself, The only prossiblity I go to bronze it's because the Galaxy readiness.

Everyday I need a bronze game as my starting point to mazmize my Galaxy readiness first, 10 mins to get 100% readiness for sure.

I always start solo bronze game, then after 2 waves people coming. Exactly, they got nothing to do when I was there and I try to finish it ASAP.

The main reason is the private setting not working properly. Even I start as a private lobby, people still join after game start

I can't understand why some high N7 players need to stay in bronze for long, for what?

Maybe EXP, bronze is the right place to get EXP. 10mins with 180K Exp for sure, gold is 20mins with 280K Exp in a farming game, and platinum is 30 mins with 380K exp with a good team.

If you focus on EXP only, bronze is not bad. But the reward of credits is much less than other difficulty.

As the result, new player try to enter other difficult since they really got nothing to do within bronze ( someone was screaming in the mic and said "give me a chance"... I felt guilty at that moment and I will never forget that).

Maybe BW should require some high N7 or good stuff players can only do bronze solo or private game with their friends. ( make sure the private setting is working) It will be helpful for the whole community.

Modifié par A MIAOW, 05 août 2012 - 09:27 .

[Computron2000]

.458 wrote...

JiceDuresh wrote...

.458 wrote...
You're still wrong. It's called "learning". Yes, it sucks. But I'm 100% right.

Lets try not to be patronising to people.  It's not like we're talking about 5 years old we have to ween onto video games, new players are usually young adult or adults.  We don't have to give them kid gloves all the time and pretend they aren't playing to just enjoy the game and not just learn all the time.

Learning in school didn't mean that the smartest kid did everyone's homework.  Colleges don't teach auto mechanics by getting students to google maps the nearest Mr.Lube, and workplaces don't train by just giving the fastest employee the new guy's work to do.  Hands on is how you learn, which is held back by greedy players.

He hasn't said anything correct yet. Blaming someone for leaching without knowing it??? Come on, people have to play the game to learn it. That also means seeing other people do it better at times, even if they are wrong for doing it! Patronising is telling someone they are learning to be a leach by being in a game with someone better geared and more experienced. THAT is offensive. THAT is condescending. Since when do we blame victims and when do we stop complaining about the grass being greener on the other side of the fence?

So the level 20 with a pre nerf typhoon X in Bronze is a "victim" who immediately readied up after 1 round of Bronze for a second round (yes really saw this guy on PC, LOL). I'm so sad for that fella. Poor guy...

And apparently, someone has to "participate" on your terms to be viewed as not leeching. Maybe participation is to run to a cannibal that suddenly drops from a grenade, repeat 5 times then say "wow, you're so cool" to the grenade guy .

I'm sure those guys in gold and plat who charge into a spawn spot at the beginning of the round and drop are "participating" too, just that they aren't as cool and skilled as you.

[LegionofRannoch]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Sgt SuperWae wrote...
At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze

 

No. There's some people who play ME3's multiplayer for leisure and enjoy Bronze.

the bronze effect?

[LegionofRannoch]

N00813 wrote...

Gold is hard.

Play bronze for fun, you know?

platnium is work, gold is fun, silver is easy, play bronze for testing new characters, weapon builds.

[FeralJester616]

I'm N7 1050 and I can tell you why myself and my friends are fighting in bronze almost exclusivly atm...
Not sure how this happens but more and more we're seeing a fundimentally bad glitch cropping up...
Some of our team (if not all except the host) are unable to see the enemies. For them they just don't exist and no matter if we quit out and come back to the same match we're still unable to see them. (if we load in at all and don't get stuck at the loading screen)

In short, we're unwilling to waste our consumables trying to fight that which cannot be fought...
Untill EA/BW fixes this, we'll still be in bronze.

I'm Feral Jester...
Thank you, for listening...

[.458]

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...

[quote].458 wrote...

[quote]JiceDuresh wrote...

[quote].458 wrote...
You're still wrong. It's called "learning". Yes, it sucks. But I'm 100% right.
[/quote]


Lets try not to be patronising to people.  It's not like we're talking about 5 years old we have to ween onto video games, new players are usually young adult or adults.  We don't have to give them kid gloves all the time and pretend they aren't playing to just enjoy the game and not just learn all the time.

Learning in school didn't mean that the smartest kid did everyone's homework.  Colleges don't teach auto mechanics by getting students to google maps the nearest Mr.Lube, and workplaces don't train by just giving the fastest employee the new guy's work to do.  Hands on is how you learn, which is held back by greedy players.[/quote]

He hasn't said anything correct yet. Blaming someone for leaching without knowing it??? Come on, people have to play the game to learn it. That also means seeing other people do it better at times, even if they are wrong for doing it! Patronising is telling someone they are learning to be a leach by being in a game with someone better geared and more experienced. THAT is offensive. THAT is condescending. Since when do we blame victims and when do we stop complaining about the grass being greener on the other side of the fence?

[/quote]

[quote]
So the level 20 with a pre nerf typhoon X in Bronze is a "victim" who immediately readied up after 1 round of Bronze for a second round (yes really saw this guy on PC, LOL). I'm so sad for that fella. Poor guy...
[/quote][/quote]

You apparently have it reversed...it was being claimed that someone who sits back because the level 20 is taking all the kills was leaching, even if they did not know it. Yeah, THAT is what I was arguing is wrong...blaming someone for being outgeared and outexperienced does NOT make them a leacher. Is that clear? Someone who must sit back and watch the other guy because they do not have what is required is the victim of leaching accusations...false victim. But the guy with better stuff always happens, someone always has more experience or better items...unless we nerf the game till brains are not allowed.

[quote]
And apparently, someone has to "participate" on your terms to be viewed as not leeching. Maybe participation is to run to a cannibal that suddenly drops from a grenade, repeat 5 times then say "wow, you're so cool" to the grenade guy .
[/quote][/quote]

Leaching IS something someone does on purpose. And if you accuse someone of this it is just abuse, worse than actual leaching. You're offensive and self-centered.

[quote]
I'm sure those guys in gold and plat who charge into a spawn spot at the beginning of the round and drop are "participating" too, just that they aren't as cool and skilled as you.[/quote]

I don't charge. Nice of you to add that lie. And if I had a choice I'd get everyone to have a plan and play carefully. You seem like the bully type that doesn't want to be known as that.

So everyone in this thread, whenever you had someone else on the team with better gear and doing all the kills, do you agree with this guy that you were leachers? Because I don't. And it's a pretty serious offense to blame someone else for something for what others do to them.

Modifié par .458, 05 août 2012 - 11:03 .

[unokolo]

I am N7 600+... I dont know the exact number. And I understand new players might be frightened to play with someone over N7 200+ with some rare or ultra rare weapon equipped while they have just basic weapons... but trust me, high N7 + good gear + ultra rare weapon doesnt make you the king of the Bronze match instantly. I am a very good player on bronze... very average leaning to the bad side on silver due to my difficulty concentrating. I started to play multiplayer long after the majority of other players did, I remember being frustrated about my basic weapons and not getting to kill ANYTHING. But guess what? I learnt, I observed and I kept playing, because I did it and I still do it for fun.

[Shakespeare212]

#platinumworldproblems

[humes spork]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

Jealousy has nothing to do about it, and the fact that they make it so easy is precisely the problem. Good players are forged under fire, not when someone does all the work for them.

Look at it this way. Having to compete for kills forces you to learn enemy spawn points and pathing, situational awareness, aggressive play, and how to kill quickly and efficiently. From there, stepping up in difficulty all you need to learn and integrate is proper risk assessment -- when to retreat, when to take cover, and most importantly when to push.

Go into your average gold PuG lobby and see for yourself how severely wanting players are for risk assessment and the knowledge of efficient/quick killing. There's a reason the camping mentality is so dominant, and maps on which camping is suboptimal are so hated, and that's because your average player has no idea how to assess risk and play aggressively.

[mbergeron468]

There is no reason for lower level n7 players to move up to higher difficulties simply because there are higher n7's on lower ones. If a low level player ends up in a lobby with 3 really high level players take it as an easy advantage for gaining easy credits and experience. The problem starts when higher n7's kick lower level players on bronze. On higher difficulties having a low level new player an become a huge handicap unless the other 3 players are working together. On bronze and silver there is no problem in my opinion I don't mind being in a lobby with low level players because there is no challenge on those levels, but gold and platinum I dont want to have to worry about the low level adept player using a widow 1 and a shotgun( this seems to be a common load out). The new players can learn the game mechanics just fine even if they are playing with higher level players.

[jordie3000]

I dunno, I like to host bronzes on my vanguard because I'm not always very good at it, and so if I screw up, the consequences aren't as dire. I do feel a little bad because I'm often getting to things before others, but on the other hand, they end up being quick runs and sometimes things go really well (following a Paladin around while they Snap Freeze everything, and you charge them? beautiful).

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Does just.... Nobody have friends they play with? At all? Pubs are open to everybody, and that's kind of the beauty of them. If players promote, they gotta go back to Bronze and Silver to get their classes back into the swing of things, and everyone - everyone - is going to promote at some point because they corked a build up.

[ManBearPigIets]

jordie3000 wrote...

I dunno, I like to host bronzes on my vanguard because I'm not always very good at it, and so if I screw up, the consequences aren't as dire. I do feel a little bad because I'm often getting to things before others, but on the other hand, they end up being quick runs and sometimes things go really well (following a Paladin around while they Snap Freeze everything, and you charge them? beautiful).

It's possible to screw up on bronze with a host-vanguard? How? You're immortal as long as you can see another enemy, and you attack at the same time you gain back your shields. Vanguard host is GOD on bronze or silver.

Modifié par ManBearPigIets, 05 août 2012 - 05:47 .

[RamPuppy]

i go into bronze often with lvl 20 characters and great weapons - for one reason only - to help my friends who are new level up fast. Simple truth - you don't learn how to do anything in bronze but play bronze. Silver is where the education starts.

I hate promoting, and i will help my friends. if you end up in my bronze lobby, i gurantee you one of my new friends is there. and one of two things will happen. You will see me standing guard over my friend and giving him advice, or you will see me killing everything as fast as possible so he cal level a character up to silver as fast as possible.

deal w/ it.

[N7 Whiskey]

 
No, people play Gold & Platinum before they are ready because they passed the SP game on Insanity, therefor they think they are good enough to play higher difficulties.  Then there are the people who just suck but want more than 15k credits per game so they join Gold/Plantinum, completely willing to let others carry them to higher payouts.

Never, ever underestimate greed and stupidity. 

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Never, ever underestimate greed and stupidity. 

Going in my sig, if you don't mind.

[Lokiwithrope]

Agreed.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

Prime Turret one shotting you on platinum after a revive or medigel is enormously frustrating - how has a puppt become a OHKO crusher? Broken broken broken Geth