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[COLZ7R]

Couple of thousand bucks short of a psp, last game of the night, rip through a bronze in a couple of mins. easy exp/credits for the others. dont think 10mins is gonna hurt their learning curve

[DungeonHoek]

JumboWheat01 wrote...

@OP

So, N7 level and high level equipment is supposed to make you an instantly better player, ne?

There are plenty of us who don't have the skills no matter what our N7 level says about us, and no matter the strength of our gear, to play at higher difficulties. I am one of them. I will continue to play on Bronze even if I would get N7 999999 and have maxed out weapons.

There are also those who don't play to be overly challenged, and just want to enjoy themselves. I am also one of those. The only two achievements I'm missing in Mass Effect are the difficulty-based ones. That should tell you about that.

I'm sorry your brother can't get any kills to score with, but as long as both of what I mentioned exist. Maybe you should form a private match with your brother and a couple of friends you know can "lay off" or play classes they normally don't to teach him all these basics.

Skills come with time, and while better gear and such helps. If there is anything more important, its things like situational awareness and the ability to prioritize your targets and communicate that make all the difference in a game.

[waltervolpatto]

Couple of things.

A player with god mode in gold/plat will ruin the game for the normal ppl, so. A very powerful player in bronze is equivalent to a god mode for the other players...

If you are in bronze and everything it seems easy because one player can kill all, you are tempted to go silver thinking that is as easy.... That is one of the reason why players go early on silver.

Get a predator that ou have at lvl 10 and use with a soldier in gold with no equipment, even if you are good it take days to kill stuff. This is bronze for the ppl that just start...

I do bronze once in a blue moon to try new things but I generally do that in silver... Even so, sometimes I have to pull back because I kill things a bit fast for other ppl...

I agree with the OP, if you do not want to get bad ppl in plat, have the curtesy to do not kill all the things in bronze for the other ppl enjoyment....

[Cyberfrog81]

Expecting PUBLIC bronze games to be free of casual high-levels seems silly to me. You want to dictate the rules to that extent, your only choice is private games.

Training wheels, huh? Even were you to hypothetically play with only other beginners, at most Bronze would teach you to ride the "Bronze Bike".

Going up a difficulty (esp. to Gold or higher) is not as much a natural progression as it is a leap. You'll fall and hit yourself hard. Maybe you learn, adapt and overcome. Or you freak out and stay on a lower difficulty. Moving up is rough, but that is not the fault of the players who've managed.

This also means that "carrying" is inevitable (people who are building competence and confidence for a new difficulty level probably won't contribute as much as they would've liked), unless you only play with the equally competent people you know. Unfortunately, having to carry a game or even just a wave or two can feel like an unfair burden (and naturally it'll feel even worse if you fail miserably). Hence, playing with people who've already mastered e.g. the "Gold Bike" is preferred, and complaints about people who haven't (but try anyway) are understandable (if possibly unjust at times).



Personally, I'll keep playing bronze sometimes because
(1) I don't always want to solo
(2) While I can do Silver with a level 1, I'm not a fan, and I don't just assume other players will be OK with it either

I'm sorry if this bothers the beginners. Only, not really.

[madzilla84]

JumboWheat01 wrote...

@OP

So, N7 level and high level equipment is supposed to make you an instantly better player, ne?

There are plenty of us who don't have the skills no matter what our N7 level says about us, and no matter the strength of our gear, to play at higher difficulties. I am one of them. I will continue to play on Bronze even if I would get N7 999999 and have maxed out weapons.

There are also those who don't play to be overly challenged, and just want to enjoy themselves. I am also one of those. The only two achievements I'm missing in Mass Effect are the difficulty-based ones. That should tell you about that.

I'm sorry your brother can't get any kills to score with, but as long as both of what I mentioned exist. Maybe you should form a private match with your brother and a couple of friends you know can "lay off" or play classes they normally don't to teach him all these basics.

I came in to say pretty much exactly this. Sometimes I can do silver with a level 20 char I'm comfortable with if the rest of the team's good (and actually use their medigels if needs be), but most of the time I stick to bronze. I know my limits. I perpetually came last in even bronze before I started to play a lot more and unlock better gear/learn the maps better, but I wouldn't say I'm good enough yet to feel really comfortable in silver. Maybe I never will be.

Sorry I'm not as l33t as everyone else on here, but that's just the way it is, and I have a lot of fun on bronze. 

Modifié par madzilla84, 06 août 2012 - 12:51 .

[Sinapus]

I usually level up on bronze. Though I try to avoid rushing to kill everything with the other three players. Gets crowded at some points on the map and we usually will get flanked if that continues.

Depends on the class, though.

My soldier w/Falcon X will be firing at enemy crowds or staggering more dangerous opponents. My engineer will probably strip defenses, try for a tech burst but generally leave targets alone otherwise. Though I have used area effect incinerate to set assault troopers on fire and then kill them with my SMG. *evil laugh*

Modifié par Sinapus, 06 août 2012 - 01:42 .

[Shadow Shep]

They should really have like beginners lobbies for bronze, like people over 120 can't join. Sure there are people who dont promote (i didn't until just today) but I think ot would cut down the number of well equipped players in bronze. I actually used lesser weapons after promoting when playing bronze to even it out a bit.

[Sinapus]

Experienced players could just hold back a bit and let the new players try some things. They might die a lot, but learning to watch for phantoms and hunters, stay away from banshees and brutes is something you have to learn the hard way.

I also tend to test new characters I haven't used before on Bronze. Been having some fun (and making/learning from mistakes) with a Kroguard lately. Who knew assault troopers could be so nimble against heavy melee attacks?



["MRRHAWWW-hey, hold still!"]

Edit:

There is a point about being high N7 level. Mine's over 2000, but that's just from frequent promotions from playing a few games after work, usually on Bronze since I'm tired and want something to wind down with. I'm okay on Silver and can sometimes get through Gold if playing with friends who communicate. That doesn't make me an "expert" player or whatever. Just some guy who plays a bit and has fun.

Modifié par Sinapus, 06 août 2012 - 02:06 .

[HBSWong]

Hm... I dunno about others, but ever since when I started getting most of my weapons/gears maxed out. I have stopped playing bronze/silver games entirely.

I even bring my lvl 1 characters to gold games right after promoting, just need to slap a good weapon with a good loadout to do pretty acceptable damage.

This is because frankly speaking any level 1 characters will do about the same damage with a good weapon whether if it's a power spamming class or a weapon focused class.

I agreed to a certain point, players with almostly maxed out gears and weaponry should jump into a higher difficult game mode like silver/gold as most often than not the weapon damage will more than sufficiently help them tide it over in either modes.

But to each his/her own I guess... No one is stopping any experienced/geared players from playing bronze game and inexperienced/under-geared players from playing platinum games.

You always have the chance of leaving the lobby unless the system decides to just throw you into 1 mid-game, to which it's the system's fault then.

[Pyloxious]

I usually play as a support whenever I'm in a bronze lobby with low ranked N7 players. I will just run with them ensuring that they don't die so that we could get the gold Survival Medal which gives us 15000 extra XP.

I rarely play as a level 20 characters in a bronze lobby. If I was going to do it, I'd be doing it privately, solo.

[jordie3000]

ManBearPigIets wrote...

jordie3000 wrote...

I dunno, I like to host bronzes on my vanguard because I'm not always very good at it, and so if I screw up, the consequences aren't as dire. I do feel a little bad because I'm often getting to things before others, but on the other hand, they end up being quick runs and sometimes things go really well (following a Paladin around while they Snap Freeze everything, and you charge them? beautiful).

It's possible to screw up on bronze with a host-vanguard? How? You're immortal as long as you can see another enemy, and you attack at the same time you gain back your shields. Vanguard host is GOD on bronze or silver.

I'm paranoid? No one enjoys the feeling of utter stupidity when you charge into something and then realize that there are a lot more baddies there than you'd anticipated, and your cooldown isn't quite up yet. 

[NOME]

I always score last in a bronze game.

I don't like to kill everything.

[Koenig888]

OP may have a point.

UUG landed me in wave 3 of an ongoing Geth game. After a round or two, I was wondering where are the enemies. Checked the score table and found out that it was a Bronze game. Oh well, did a run and gun with my Destroyer and on extraction, I was second, outscored by a Shadow. Back in the lobby, saw that it was a level 20 Shadow by an N7 2000+. He was the host.

[J4mes]

NOVAGUARD BRONZE WITH JAVELIN AND CLAYMORe... U MAD?

[squishierfoot]

Feonir wrote...

Sgt SuperWae wrote...


Expectedly, these well-equipped players with more game knowledge end up killing everything before my brother even gets a chance to explore the map. How are beginners supposed to learn fundamental game machanics and strategies under these circumstances?

It's because Bronze is littered with more experienced players that make it impossible to learn first-hand.

At some point, everyone needs to move on from Bronze and leave that difficulty to newer players. That's where they're supposed to learn the basics that SO MANY people on these forums complain that low-level players seem to lack.

Until that happens, we really have no right to judge any budding player's competency in higher difficulties.

 

So I went and removed some filler text so we can look at the core of this "point" you seem to have. So us higher N7's should just...what not promote ever? Or I know we can gimp our teams as a level 1 in a silver or get booted from lobbies for trying to join up gold's at level 1?

God forbid your brother actually watch these people and I dont know, learn from them. And while we are on the subject of gear, the easiest way to be equal to any high up N7's without a harrier or Typhoon or Captain Johhny's Taliwacker 9000 is to use a power class which are pretty even with another power user save for the occasional cross map pistol headshot.

There is a plethora of learning to be had by watching more experienced players or hell even asking them during a match and saying. "Hey JimBob1961XGokuWeedkilla7 yer pretty snazzy with that there Deff gun mind showing me a few pointers?"

But no, lets just throw up our hands **** and scream about unfairness and try to chase away people who can get your brother easier credits so he can catch up to the rest of us and, I dont know, maybe learn how to use the Taliwacker 9000 before he gets it.

So wait you promote your characters and go back to bronze to level them up? what you can't carry a team  with a level 1 anything? i just did it 3 times in a row. level 1 vorcha soldier gold vancouver was a cinch. someone tell me how to get a screenshot of it and ill throw up an end game report. But really guys if your an N7 300 and up, come play in gold with me its easy. Ill gladly carry you as long as your not gonna leech. 

[DullahansXMark]

N7-900 here, I do all my leveling post-promoting in Silver lobbies. I can carry the team just fine like that. No reason long-time players can't do the same (or at least keep up).

[Councilworker]

As my N7 score is creeping up to 600, and I have all my common gun at X level and a few rares at level 4. I do sometimes think what am I doing playing Bronze, but its my safety zone and I play to relax - I'm not a hardcore gamer and my gaming skills are questionable at best. Also I quite like the random public games as you never know what to expect - which makes it mostly more fun.

Then again I have seen 2000+ N7 players in Bronze game, yes I can see OP point of new players learning and not being carried. But as most weeks the enemies get buffed, without a higher player with them, then the newbies stand little to no chance. Thats not to say they haven't the skill to win, just a lack of biotic/tech/fire-power to pull it off. Also if I help get the team through the game, then they get XP and credits. I have also dropped into random games where the more experiance player is teaching the newbies the "Camp sites" / areas to defend.

Last Operation weekend, I only played bronze, why I wanted to help the community out, I have a Level 20 N7 Demolisher. The more bronze players I teamed-up with the more got a promotonal guns they got.

[Hackulator]

The number of people who entirely miss the point in this thread is staggering.

[Sidney]

DullahansXMark wrote...

N7-900 here, I do all my leveling post-promoting in Silver lobbies. I can carry the team just fine like that. No reason long-time players can't do the same (or at least keep up).

I still (N7 1050) take my first 6 levels in bronze. I'm not soooo good that being level 1 doesn't hinder the teams I'm with to my mind.  I'm not trying to crowd out anyone. Heck, I hope I'm helping by carrying my weight plus being one of the few talkers in a bronze game.

[Prawny]

I always find it funny when people use a Widow X (or equally overkill weapon) in bronze. A Viper would probably still get OSK headshots, and you could get 6 more kills per clip.

Modifié par Prawny, 06 août 2012 - 12:15 .

[Pee Jae]

*bought the game, play it how I want* Problem?

Seriously, I'm not running around destroying every enemy. Cute lil newbies can do whatever they want.

[Volatile Device]

I agree with the OP. The good, skilled people need to get back to Gold/Plat. Honestly, I see better loadouts and more skilled people on Silver than on Plat.

[Lyria]

Where can I get a "Captain Johnny's Taliwacker 9000?" I can't seem to find it in the manifest and have spent many credits trying to get it on the store.

I play bronze to level up on my off days. Especially when I promote all my characters in hopes that the 10 psps I buy will have some of the common character cards so I can get free-ish xp.

I play to win but I don't hog the glory. I have played with many with a N7 rating less than a 100 and I try to always let them learn. I think it was more the attitude of the people you're brother played,OP, than high N7s in general.

[Baldsake]

Volatile Device wrote...

I agree with the OP. The good, skilled people need to get back to Gold/Plat. Honestly, I see better loadouts and more skilled people on Silver than on Plat.

Actually, we all paid for the game so we don't need to do anything. I would consider myself good enough to play on platinum but it's basically just using the most overpowered class set ups, camp and kill bosses. So I usually play gold. If people wanna play bronze then that's their business. Seriously, who the **** cares? People sound like whining nerds when they complain about this kind of stuff.

[ParatrooperSean]

I've only read the first page, but I think I'm in the minority in that I agree with the OP.

I don't think experienced, well equipped players should have to stay completely out of Bronze. But as a courtesy they should at least take it easy and avoid nuking every spawn.