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[TheKillerAngel]

I don't think there would have been, or at the very most, the outcry would have been far quieter. I think a lot of what prevents people from enjoying the EC is the very knowledge of what had come before, and what the writers' original intent was. Knowing these things, it can be very difficult to actually enjoy  what the Extended Cut offers. 

[KiwiQuiche]

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

[dsl08002]

probably

[Ghost]

[violation of Rule #6 removed]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 05 août 2012 - 07:39 .

[Ghost]

Probably but not as big.

[LanceSolous13]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

Pretty much.

And, honestly, ME3 only gets so much right. ME2 was so much better.

ME3 has....

Tuchunka
Rannoch
and Combative Gameplay

Everything else is.....

All of my Shepards' (as in multiple Shepards) Romances and friends are sidelined in ME3 for no particular reason.

My Bro dies despite proper build up and character development in the previous installment suggesting otherwise.

Star Brat.

Kai Leng

Crucible

Forced Symbolism

And just generally bad writing.

Take Sanctuary for example, All of the action that happens there, the big confrontation between Miranda and her Father we've been waiting for since her Loyalty Mission is.....It happens off screen, what? Nothing happens at Sanctuary, It just pads the third act for some reason....

[KiwiQuiche]

Ghost1017 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

*Snipped picture of the Pope*

Actually I'm more apathic now, and can acknowledge the fact that Bioware back themselves into a wall with no way out and Mac and Casey being as they were.

[KiwiQuiche]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

Pretty much.

And, honestly, ME3 only gets so much right. ME2 was so much better.

ME3 has....

Tuchunka
Rannoch
and Combative Gameplay

Everything else is.....

All of my Shepards' (as in multiple Shepards) Romances and friends are sidelined in ME3 for no particular reason.

My Bro dies despite proper build up and character development in the previous installment suggesting otherwise.

Star Brat.

Kai Leng

Crucible

Forced Symbolism

And just generally bad writing.

Take Sanctuary for example, All of the action that happens there, the big confrontation between Miranda and her Father we've been waiting for since her Loyalty Mission is.....It happens off screen, what? Nothing happens at Sanctuary, It just pads the third act for some reason....

Actually I found Rannoch to be fairly weak; it just made the Quarians Reapers look even more incompetent and stupid since that Destroyer couldn't hit a human running back and forth right in front of it.

[Voutsis1982]

It went from nonsense that destroyed any chance of payoff, to nonsense with some payoff. That payoff means it's not as much of a kick-in-the-brass-monkeys as the original Cliched-Eden-Parable, End-of-Relay-Technology, None-of-Your-Decisions-Have-Consequences-because-No-One-Goes-Home ending. That was simply the opposite of brain. Making everything you've worked towards equate to zero counters the greatest strength of ME's storytelling.

So no, the complaining wouldn't have been as loud, but it would have been there and it would have been correct. An ending needs to grow out its story and themes, out of what its characters believe and what tech they have to get away with it, not by introducting a new character and new tech that is essentially magic in the last five minutes of a 100 hour story. Having it make a lick of sense helps too.

[Killdren88]

Quite simple, make DLC with multiple endings, Those who are not happy will keep paying until they get the ending they want. And we all know EA loves money, so its a evil corporation cash cow.

[LanceSolous13]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

Pretty much.

And, honestly, ME3 only gets so much right. ME2 was so much better.

ME3 has....

Tuchunka
Rannoch
and Combative Gameplay

Everything else is.....

All of my Shepards' (as in multiple Shepards) Romances and friends are sidelined in ME3 for no particular reason.

My Bro dies despite proper build up and character development in the previous installment suggesting otherwise.

Star Brat.

Kai Leng

Crucible

Forced Symbolism

And just generally bad writing.

Take Sanctuary for example, All of the action that happens there, the big confrontation between Miranda and her Father we've been waiting for since her Loyalty Mission is.....It happens off screen, what? Nothing happens at Sanctuary, It just pads the third act for some reason....

Actually I found Rannoch to be fairly weak; it just made the Quarians Reapers look even more incompetent and stupid since that Destroyer couldn't hit a human running back and forth right in front of it.

Its comparable to trying to shoot an ant with a shotgun.

The Reapers have been just going around causing over all mass distruction that they actually are having issues with precise attacks. I think its funny more than anything. But, It didn't bug me much because the Rannoch Reaper is the only ME3 Boss and I loved every moment of it.

[KiwiQuiche]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

Pretty much.

And, honestly, ME3 only gets so much right. ME2 was so much better.

ME3 has....

Tuchunka
Rannoch
and Combative Gameplay

Everything else is.....

All of my Shepards' (as in multiple Shepards) Romances and friends are sidelined in ME3 for no particular reason.

My Bro dies despite proper build up and character development in the previous installment suggesting otherwise.

Star Brat.

Kai Leng

Crucible

Forced Symbolism

And just generally bad writing.

Take Sanctuary for example, All of the action that happens there, the big confrontation between Miranda and her Father we've been waiting for since her Loyalty Mission is.....It happens off screen, what? Nothing happens at Sanctuary, It just pads the third act for some reason....

Actually I found Rannoch to be fairly weak; it just made the Quarians Reapers look even more incompetent and stupid since that Destroyer couldn't hit a human running back and forth right in front of it.

Its comparable to trying to shoot an ant with a shotgun.

The Reapers have been just going around causing over all mass distruction that they actually are having issues with precise attacks. I think its funny more than anything. But, It didn't bug me much because the Rannoch Reaper is the only ME3 Boss and I loved every moment of it.

Kinda why Harbinger totally didn't shoot all those little marines trying to get to the conduit?

Or maybe Harby can only see small targets, since he ignores the Normandy hovering right int front of him.

[LanceSolous13]

Those were two different classes of Reapers, I'd like to point out.

Either way, It was a Narrative Inconcistancey that didn't ruin Narrative Cohearence because, hey, It felt right as the end of the arc came up. Plus, fighting a Reaper in the Mako or Hammerhead? UGH! *shivers at the thought*

[Ninja Stan]

Yes, absolutely. Some portion of the fanbase would still have found the endings inadequate to complete their Shepard's story.

[LanceSolous13]

vivaladricas wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...


My Bro dies despite proper build up and character development in the previous installment suggesting otherwise.
...

Who is the bro?

Sere' Thane Krios.

Also known as my Fem!Sheps love. : /

[Killdren88]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Yes, absolutely. Some portion of the fanbase would still have found the endings inadequate to complete their Shepard's story.

Well I assume people played Dragon age before this, so possibly they were expecting at least the option for a happy ending.

[ShepnTali]

Not near as much. Reunion people would gripe, and the usual that goes with territory. There would have been a lot less shock.

EDIT -- Forgot the A,B,C ending problem, which was pretty big, but had a D ending added in the EC. So I say not as much and retreact 'near'.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 05 août 2012 - 07:51 .

[KiwiQuiche]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Those were two different classes of Reapers, I'd like to point out.

Either way, It was a Narrative Inconcistancey that didn't ruin Narrative Cohearence because, hey, It felt right as the end of the arc came up. Plus, fighting a Reaper in the Mako or Hammerhead? UGH! *shivers at the thought*

So Destroyers have crappier eyesight then the dreadnaught class? All is said that Destroyers are smaller. Never said they have lousy aim.

Though we did get that random "Drive and shoot" scene with that geth ship that made no sense lol

[LanceSolous13]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Those were two different classes of Reapers, I'd like to point out.

Either way, It was a Narrative Inconcistancey that didn't ruin Narrative Cohearence because, hey, It felt right as the end of the arc came up. Plus, fighting a Reaper in the Mako or Hammerhead? UGH! *shivers at the thought*

So Destroyers have crappier eyesight then the dreadnaught class? All is said that Destroyers are smaller. Never said they have lousy aim.

Though we did get that random "Drive and shoot" scene with that geth ship that made no sense lol

There wasn't even anything TO shoot either. : /

Anyways, It was just a handwave, not meant to fix things...

[Dav3VsTh3World]

There would still be those who hate it, but it would be nowhere near as big, there will always be those who prefer to have the Call of Duty style: Bad guys died humans saved the day ending.

[Killdren88]

ShepnTali wrote...

Not near as much. Reunion people would gripe, and the usual that goes with territory. There would have been a lot less shock.

EDIT -- Forgot the A,B,C ending problem, which was pretty big, but had a D ending added in the EC. So I say not as much and retreact 'near'.

And thats where the Fanfic writers step in. They don't get the ending they want. So they fanfic it.

Modifié par Killdren88, 05 août 2012 - 07:51 .

[KiwiQuiche]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Those were two different classes of Reapers, I'd like to point out.

Either way, It was a Narrative Inconcistancey that didn't ruin Narrative Cohearence because, hey, It felt right as the end of the arc came up. Plus, fighting a Reaper in the Mako or Hammerhead? UGH! *shivers at the thought*

So Destroyers have crappier eyesight then the dreadnaught class? All is said that Destroyers are smaller. Never said they have lousy aim.

Though we did get that random "Drive and shoot" scene with that geth ship that made no sense lol

There wasn't even anything TO shoot either. : /

Anyways, It was just a handwave, not meant to fix things...

Was kinda funny, I admit. All "DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE oh screw off and stop the damn car I'll deal with this crap myself since this gun is sh!t!" which was what I got outta Shepard's dialogue.

Why go down with your ship if you can attempt to fix it?

[JPN17]

Yeah there would have been. The EC didn't fix any of the problems with the ending. It just tried to gloss over it with rainbows, pudding and unicorns.

Modifié par JPN17, 05 août 2012 - 08:30 .

[Blood drinker 7777]

god i think people are mad at the fact that it over.