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[FlamingBoy]

yeah it was pretty bad even with the EC

[o Ventus]

Probably. It isn't like the EC really made the endings better by any substantial amount. All of the objective flaws are still present, and the EC even created some new ones.

[Alushadow]

100% yes
the original ending was bad to begin with
there was no sense in it what so ever it was just a stupied deus ex machina badly written
it was as if a fgreat game was at works a magnificent trilogy but then the last 10 minutes
were stolen for a very bad machine apocalyptic movie
the EC did not change the ending it simplay explained some stuff
there were no real options to begin with and we were not presented with any better options
it was the same bad options just longer

i will say this for all of those who play skyrim and know bethesda studios
and played or are playing fallout i will tell you go read why they created the "broken steel DLC"
the fans didnt want to "die" just like that in the end so
the CREATED just for the fans a whole ne expantion to give them just what they asked for
that is how you treat your fans
and not by adding 2GB expantion that does nothing but show you for 100%
its accept out bad story or die
while squizing inside a DLC that will cost money in the future but will have no real impact what so ever
in the already knowen and bad ending

[Commander Castillo]

Yup

[Painaid]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Nope. There would still be people who hated the ending but the whole Retake Mass Effect 3 would be a small thing and the non-fans wouldn't even have noticed the outrage.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Nope. There would still be people who hated the ending but the whole Retake Mass Effect 3 would be a small thing and the non-fans wouldn't even have noticed the outrage.

Yes. there would have been an outcry probably, but nothing on this scale.

[BD Manchild]

There probably wouldn't be an outcry on the scale there originally was, but I would still hate the ending. It doesn't grow naturally out of the narrative, it still doesn't make a lick of sense and it really pisses me off that such morally repugnant "choices" all have a happy face painted on them. All the EC did was polish a turd; it may not look like a turd now, but it still reeks like one.

[Mythanblood]

Yes. A different and bigger one. I think the majority of players would have picked refuse on their first playthrough, which basically feels like a giant middle finger from Bioware to everyone.

[tanisha__unknown]

Not as big as the one we got, but there would still have been complaints

[Brovikk Rasputin]

No. It wouldn't have been nearly as bad. And Bioware should have known that. The original endings was a disaster.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Yes, there still would have been a fan backlash. The Extended Cut does not fix the endings, it expanded upon them with "clarity and closure". People are satisfied with the EC (or they want to be) because Bioware stated that right now that's all they are going to do to the endings, these fans are following the "beggars can't be chosers" mentality. If the original ending was the Extended Cut version there still would have been a fan backlash.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Yes, there still would have been a fan backlash. The Extended Cut does not fix the endings, it expanded upon them with "clarity and closure". People are satisfied with the EC (or they want to be) because Bioware stated that right now that's all they are going to do to the endings, these fans are following the "beggars can't be chosers" mentality. If the original ending was the Extended Cut version there still would have been a fan backlash.

So people can't, you know, like the current endings, because you don't? 

[Yalision]

I doubt it seriously.

[Jaffawer]

I'm still not convinced about "destroy" ending.

ME3 wiki quote: "If the Destroy ending was chosen and the player has a high enough EMS rating, however, the Commander's name is not actually shown to be placed on the wall. This, coupled with the cutscene of Shepard breathing in the rubble, leaves the Commander's final fate open to suggestion."

I know that ME is an artwork but c'mon... we are not in gallery where we can guess what the artist "wanted to say". I understand... but this is a game and in my opinion the players should be 100% sure if Shepard really dies or not.

[MonkeySeeker]

Yes. It was an impossible task to fulfill everybody's different (and in some cases unrealistic) expectations for what the ending should be.

I'm not saying everybody but a lot of the hate seems to stem from the fact that Shepard doesn't get to ride off into the sunset with his/her LI.

If BioWare had given the same choices but with Shepard living and joining his/her LI there wouldn't be anywhere near as much hate for the endings as there is. Despite claims that it's not about a happy ending.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Yes, there still would have been a fan backlash. The Extended Cut does not fix the endings, it expanded upon them with "clarity and closure". People are satisfied with the EC (or they want to be) because Bioware stated that right now that's all they are going to do to the endings, these fans are following the "beggars can't be chosers" mentality. If the original ending was the Extended Cut version there still would have been a fan backlash.

So people can't, you know, like the current endings, because you don't? 

They can't or they wouldn't? People are more prone to liking the EC because it appears to be a show of good faith on Bioware's part - damage control. The original ending may have been Bioware's saving grace because if the EC version was the original one people would still complain that the endings were crappy, ask for better ones, and there would be more focus on the endings' fundamental problems.

If they wanted to write a good ending, they would need take a look at the whole story and modify parts of it, or atleast do a complete rewrite from Cronos Station and on.

[Xellith]

I wouldnt have been as mad. However I still would have been mad. Your choices are still irrelevant for the most part. The ending should have been AUTOMATICALLY decided upon based on your choices.  Good choices = happy ending.  Bad choices = current endings or worse.

Not to mention that you dont see hardly any of your war assets in action. Those are my biggest peeves. I mean you can play the entire game and skip a lot of war assets - just doing the main story and picking up a few war assets and skipping EVERYTHING else and you can still "pick your favourite color".

Your choices should have determined your ending. Not the player.

Modifié par Xellith, 05 août 2012 - 10:32 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Yes, there still would have been a fan backlash. The Extended Cut does not fix the endings, it expanded upon them with "clarity and closure". People are satisfied with the EC (or they want to be) because Bioware stated that right now that's all they are going to do to the endings, these fans are following the "beggars can't be chosers" mentality. If the original ending was the Extended Cut version there still would have been a fan backlash.

So people can't, you know, like the current endings, because you don't? 

They can't or they wouldn't? People are more prone to liking the EC because it appears to be a show of good faith on Bioware's part - damage control. The original ending may have been Bioware's saving grace because if the EC version was the original one people would still complain that the endings were crappy, ask for better ones, and there would be more focus on the endings' fundamental problems.

If they wanted to write a good ending, they would need take a look at the whole story and modify parts of it, or atleast do a complete rewrite from Cronos Station and on.

Well, that's like, your opinion, man.

[Applepie_Svk]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

No. It wouldn't have been nearly as bad. And Bioware should have known that. The original endings was a disaster.

You were the one who had in signature, don´t change the original endings because they are good. Now you are saying that original endings are disaster, what a surpise...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 05 août 2012 - 10:41 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

No. It wouldn't have been nearly as bad. And Bioware should have known that. The original endings was a disaster.

You were the one who has in signature, don´t change the original endings because they are good. Now you are saying that original endings are disaster, what a surpise...

I like your new avatar, Apple, it makes you look even tastier

[Applepie_Svk]

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...
I like your new avatar, Apple, it makes you look even tastier

[Conniving_Eagle]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Yes, there still would have been a fan backlash. The Extended Cut does not fix the endings, it expanded upon them with "clarity and closure". People are satisfied with the EC (or they want to be) because Bioware stated that right now that's all they are going to do to the endings, these fans are following the "beggars can't be chosers" mentality. If the original ending was the Extended Cut version there still would have been a fan backlash.

So people can't, you know, like the current endings, because you don't? 

They can't or they wouldn't? People are more prone to liking the EC because it appears to be a show of good faith on Bioware's part - damage control. The original ending may have been Bioware's saving grace because if the EC version was the original one people would still complain that the endings were crappy, ask for better ones, and there would be more focus on the endings' fundamental problems.

If they wanted to write a good ending, they would need take a look at the whole story and modify parts of it, or atleast do a complete rewrite from Cronos Station and on.

Well, that's like, your opinion, man.

Which part? If you're referrubg to plot holes and contrivances as opinion-based, well, the millions of people who have committed themselves to literature would like to have a word with you.

[XqctaX]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, since the end is still crap even with EC. It went from goddamn awful to stupid and lousy.

Also, Starbrat still shows up with his ****** circle logic no matter what. So yeah, end still would've been bad and poorly written.

[Magiking117]

I think so long as the Catalyst existed then the outcry would be the same. You would also still have those 3 choices, and you would also have a refuse choice that simply tells you you lose. The EC never changed the ending, so the why would the response change?