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[Ryzaki]

hoodaticus wrote...
Love and being emotionally overwhelmed by betrayal.

She doesn't always love Shepard. She's not Liara thankfully.

Overwhelmed by betrayal? I thought she was a stronger person than  that. So she's so overwhelmed she does nothing to stop the slaughter and throws herself off a cliff? 

That's not less snivelling and pathetic. It is less cowardly though. Improvement I suppose.

[dreman9999]

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

Waiting for an answer to this.....

I did awnser this. The geht still were fighting in self defence and they let the quarians go. Added, we don't know if that number is from the quarians attacking the geth. You have to remeber, peace was never offered once by the quarians.

At some point it stopped being self defense and became full blown genocide. And you don't know whether or not the quarians offered peace. Nor whether or not the geth offered it, either.

If  child has a gun pointed at you and is about to kill you and the only way to save your self is to shot and kill the child, what would you do?

Now, the quarian armed their live ships, which has all their children and cilivians on them, with drednoght cannons...... And you supirse the geth attacked and destroyed them?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

hoodaticus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Only two people are man enough to stand up to Shepard. Mordin and Wrex.

well Legion stands up to Shepard as well. And the VS (even if it was on a complete idiotic topic).

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You assume she doesn't do anything because of cowardness, Something she has proven to be everything must.

Oh? So
what reasoning is there for standing and doing nothing but crying as Shepand the Geth decide to protect the Geth the Quarians have to die  and then jumping off a  cliff rather than face the results of her
inaction? 

Love and being emotionally overwhelmed by betrayal.

Basically this. Some people just don't understand emotion, she could be confuse, panicking, worried, mad, sad, a lot of things which would have left her in shock.

[Ryzaki]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Only two people are man enough to stand up to Shepard. Mordin and Wrex.

well Legion stands up to Shepard as well. And the VS (even if it was on a complete idiotic topic).

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You assume she doesn't do anything because of cowardness, Something she has proven to be everything must.

Oh? So
what reasoning is there for standing and doing nothing but crying as Shepand the Geth decide to protect the Geth the Quarians have to die  and then jumping off a  cliff rather than face the results of her
inaction? 

Love and being emotionally overwhelmed by betrayal.

Basically this. Some people just don't understand emotion, she could be confuse, panicking, worried, mad, sad, a lot of things which would have left her in shock.

I understand emotion just fine. I just don't see letting emotion let you not take any opportunity to save your people. Particularly not someone in a leadership position. Especially not someone who cares about her people as much as Tali. It weakens her character severely in my eyes (not that ME2 did her any favors).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 04:52 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Zardoc wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

I'd imagine terrorists from organizations like Al-Qaeda think their doing the right thing too. That they're fighting "evil" in the name of the greater good. Guess what, they aren't justified. Neither are the Quarians.

Of course I'll go for peace when there's the chance, but when I have no choice, I'll choose the Geth. You're free to do the opposite.

Everyone in the galaxy sans Tali and Shepard would think the quarians are doing the right thing (if it wasn't for the Reaper War anyway). With what they know, their actions are justified and excuseable.

Are they excusable? Certainly. Are they justfied? Absolutely not. They didn't attack for a good or just reason. They saw an oppurtunity to strike, and they took it. It could have cost us the war with the reapers.

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

It could've improved something the Geth weren't able to take out her people until Legion uploaded the code. Taking out Legion could've saved her people no matter how slim the chance of her being successful. Standing there crying has no chance at all of saving her people. She who values her people so highly can't muster up enough backbone to attempt to stop their slaughter other than blubbering at Shepard? Pathetic. Spineless. Snivelling. I don't see how it's hard to understand.

And I can just laugh at how hard it is for you to understand that SHEPARD IS STANDING A FEW FEET AWAY FROM HER AND CAN EASILY STOP HER, SINCE HE'S BEEN GOING UP AGAINST CEATURES THAT WERE SEVERAL TIMES BIGGER THAN HIM AND WON.

What's even the point of throwing her life away like that if death is inevitable? Go out with a fight? Are we living in the stone age or something, where muscles before brains is all that counts?

Yes, we get it. You don't like Tali. You have told us that several times over with your needlessly detailed comments.

[agu123]

Ryzaki wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Gethsemane always even with peace. Qoarians got their Darwin Award they were so thirsty for. Tali killing herself like a spineless wimp instead of trying to fight for her people was just icing.

Yeah, she could for example, shoot the Geth ships with her shotgun direcly from the planet. Or she could attempt to kill Legion and instantly be stopped by Shepard.

Infantry is useless when the conflict occurs in space. Tali doesn't do anything because she can't do anything.

Yeah it's not like Legion's uploading the code right next to her and killing him won't stop the code. Also Legion has enough spine to fight Tali and Shepard (he also loses and would've been fairly aware of his terrible odds but when the alternative is extinction of your race small odds are better than zero odds) why doesn't she for someone who values her people so highly she's sure quick to stand there and go QQ.

She could attempt to attack Legion. She'd get killed by Shepard sure but she could try there's always the chance that she'd succeed in killing Legion and saving her people. At least then she'd go out with some backbone.

Attacking Legion would result in her death at the hands of Shepard or Legion himself.

Or, she could attack Shepard, who's probably the only person gaining help against the Reapers from every race. It doesn't seem like a good idea, does it? It only shows that Tali realizes her people are out of the game, and unlike Legion that attacks them both, she doesn't put the survival of her species on top of everything.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

It could've improved something the Geth weren't able to take out her people until Legion uploaded the code. Taking out Legion could've saved her people no matter how slim the chance of her being successful. Standing there crying has no chance at all of saving her people. She who values her people so highly can't muster up enough backbone to attempt to stop their slaughter other than blubbering at Shepard? Pathetic. Spineless. Snivelling. I don't see how it's hard to understand.

And I can just laugh at how hard it is for you to understand that SHEPARD IS STANDING A FEW FEET AWAY FROM HER AND CAN EASILY STOP HER, SINCE HE'S BEEN GOING UP AGAINST CEATURES THAT WERE SEVERAL TIMES BIGGER THAN HIM AND WON.

What's even the point of throwing her life away like that if death is inevitable? Go out with a fight? Are we living in the stone age or something, where muscles before brains is all that counts?

Yes, we get it. You don't like Tali. You have told us that several times over with your needlessly detailed comments.

Awww caps lock. Are you angry everyone doesn't agree with you?

Yes and so has Tali. And yes bette5r to go out with a fight than QQ and throw yourself on a cliff while leaving those you claim to care so much about to die without even giving them a chance for survival.

Yes yes we both get that.

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

I understand emotion just fine. I just don't see letting emotion let you not take any opportunity to save your people. Particularly not someone in a leadership position. Especially not someone who cares about her people as much as Tali. It weakens her character severely in my eyes (not that ME2 did her any favors).

Execept that there's no opportunity to save her people at that point? As much as you're whining about her being passive, do you really think Shepard would be as passive when he allowed Legion to upload the programs?

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...
if your argument amounts to saying that organic life is always better than synthetic life, then there's really nothing to discuss.
The Geth obliterate the Quarians in warfare. Obliterate. I'd say that's a say bet. And I can assume their combined consciusness could do miracles with speeding up buidling the crucible. May I remind you that we, stupidly I know, are not trying to discover what the crucible does, or add some functions, we are trying to build it as fast as possible.

That's funny, because it's the quarians that are wiping out the geth if you side with them after they destroyed the geth's glaring weakness, the Dyson bubble. The fact that they were able to get within the same star system while using a scambling program as well as the point where the Normandy constantly gets past the geth defenses just proves how worthless the geth are at adapting.

And the Geth adapt by siding with the reapers. As stupid as that was, they were obliterating the quarian fleet well before Shepards's arrival.
The Normandy can get into any system without being noticed. It's stealth system is state of the art. The Quarian launched a surprise attack using a scrambling program. It's a weakness they exploited. It won't work another time.

Modifié par Chaotic-Fusion, 05 août 2012 - 04:55 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

"Upload the code Legion"

"But you're going to kill my people!"

"Deal with it."

"Bu-bu-bu-bu-"

"Upload 100% complete. Personality dissemination required."

Comitting suicide was out of emotion, standing there and doing nothing was out of stupidity.

[AxStapleton]

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

I'd imagine terrorists from organizations like Al-Qaeda think their doing the right thing too. That they're fighting "evil" in the name of the greater good. Guess what, they aren't justified. Neither are the Quarians.

Of course I'll go for peace when there's the chance, but when I have no choice, I'll choose the Geth. You're free to do the opposite.

Everyone in the galaxy sans Tali and Shepard would think the quarians are doing the right thing (if it wasn't for the Reaper War anyway). With what they know, their actions are justified and excuseable.

Wait a sec? That is not true at all. If fact the quarians were told by the council not to go to war with the geth.

The Council just sat on their arses until it affected them, like they always do.

[Zardoc]

dreman9999 wrote...

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

Are you kidding me? The geth never want to attack the quarians. The geth even offered peace with the quarians.
Gerrel  would of had his safe haven with ease if he just tried for peace with the geth. The quarian tried to kill the geth agein? This is not a darwin award to do this?

They didn't.

And I'm starting to get the impression that many of the geth apologists are pretty thick headed. Atleast that's the only reason I can see for why they believe the quarians or the rest of the galaxy knows what Shepard knows. You keep saying "hurr they could've tried for peace", yet you ignore the simple fact that the only people who knew the geth were open for peace were Shepard and Tali. And they only knew through Legion. Sure, Tali mentioned Legion to the admirals, but would you just believe if someone told you the people who drove your ancestors from their homes, drove them to near extinction and force you to wander the galaxy in ships are actually lovey dovey peaceful people? Especially considering the fact that any previous contact with them was always accompanied by violence? And the fact that the geth never tried to contact anyone to tell them how peaceful they are in the whole 300 years they've been free? Anyone who could truthfully answer with yes is hopelessly naive and far too trusting.

[Banul]

Ryzaki wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

It could've improved something the Geth weren't able to take out her people until Legion uploaded the code. Taking out Legion could've saved her people no matter how slim the chance of her being successful. Standing there crying has no chance at all of saving her people. She who values her people so highly can't muster up enough backbone to attempt to stop their slaughter other than blubbering at Shepard? Pathetic. Spineless. Snivelling. I don't see how it's hard to understand.

And I can just laugh at how hard it is for you to understand that SHEPARD IS STANDING A FEW FEET AWAY FROM HER AND CAN EASILY STOP HER, SINCE HE'S BEEN GOING UP AGAINST CEATURES THAT WERE SEVERAL TIMES BIGGER THAN HIM AND WON.

What's even the point of throwing her life away like that if death is inevitable? Go out with a fight? Are we living in the stone age or something, where muscles before brains is all that counts?

Yes, we get it. You don't like Tali. You have told us that several times over with your needlessly detailed comments.

Awww caps lock. Are you angry everyone doesn't agree with you?

Yes and so has Tali. And yes bette5r to go out with a fight than QQ and throw yourself on a cliff while leaving those you claim to care so much about to die without even giving them a chance for survival.

Yes yes we both get that.

Bro, watch your entire species and everybody you ever cared about die and see how much fight you have left in you.

[Ryzaki]

agu123 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Gethsemane always even with peace. Qoarians got their Darwin Award they were so thirsty for. Tali killing herself like a spineless wimp instead of trying to fight for her people was just icing.

Yeah, she could for example, shoot the Geth ships with her shotgun direcly from the planet. Or she could attempt to kill Legion and instantly be stopped by Shepard.

Infantry is useless when the conflict occurs in space. Tali doesn't do anything because she can't do anything.

Yeah it's not like Legion's uploading the code right next to her and killing him won't stop the code. Also Legion has enough spine to fight Tali and Shepard (he also loses and would've been fairly aware of his terrible odds but when the alternative is extinction of your race small odds are better than zero odds) why doesn't she for someone who values her people so highly she's sure quick to stand there and go QQ.

She could attempt to attack Legion. She'd get killed by Shepard sure but she could try there's always the chance that she'd succeed in killing Legion and saving her people. At least then she'd go out with some backbone.

Attacking Legion would result in her death at the hands of Shepard or Legion himself.

Or, she could attack Shepard, who's probably the only person gaining help against the Reapers from every race. It doesn't seem like a good idea, does it? It only shows that Tali realizes her people are out of the game, and unlike Legion that attacks them both, she doesn't put the survival of her species on top of everything.

Could result.  There's always a chance she'd manage to take him out before Shep interferred no matter how slim. Hell if she launched herself at Legion and tried to take them both off the cliff I'd respect her more.

So she instead allows Shep to resign them to death and does nothing to stop it. She doesn't have to kill Shepard to stop the upload. And the Geth are not the deciding factor in the Reaper war (nor ar the Quarians for that matter). There is no putting her survival of the species over everything by fighting for their right to live. Not to mention that's perfectly natural behavior and she's only too willing to let Shep to kill the Geth for her people. She's just unwilling to attempt it herself. And I can't respect that.

[Ryzaki]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

"Upload the code Legion"

"But you're going to kill my people!"

"Deal with it."

"Bu-bu-bu-bu-"

"Upload 100% complete. Personality dissemination required."

Comitting suicide was out of emotion, standing there and doing nothing was out of stupidity.

This.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

I like how before Shepard has to make his decision, Legion asks "Does this unit have a soul?" or if they deserve to die, and Tali just throws a tantrum.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I understand emotion just fine. I just don't see letting emotion let you not take any opportunity to save your people. Particularly not someone in a leadership position. Especially not someone who cares about her people as much as Tali. It weakens her character severely in my eyes (not that ME2 did her any favors).

Execept that there's no opportunity to save her people at that point? As much as you're whining about her being passive, do you really think Shepard would be as passive when he allowed Legion to upload the programs?

Wrong. Legion takes time to upload the code. She doesn't even try to interrupt him. So yes passive and spineless.

Considering Shep allows him to do so no he's not being spineless. He sided with the Geth. If he wanted Legion to stop he'd of stopped him or tried to.

[Zardoc]

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

Waiting for an answer to this.....

I did awnser this. The geht still were fighting in self defence and they let the quarians go. Added, we don't know if that number is from the quarians attacking the geth. You have to remeber, peace was never offered once by the quarians.

At some point it stopped being self defense and became full blown genocide. And you don't know whether or not the quarians offered peace. Nor whether or not the geth offered it, either.

If  child has a gun pointed at you and is about to kill you and the only way to save your self is to shot and kill the child, what would you do?

Now, the quarian armed their live ships, which has all their children and cilivians on them, with drednoght cannons...... And you supirse the geth attacked and destroyed them?

What the hell does this have to do with anything I said? 

Modifié par Zardoc, 05 août 2012 - 05:01 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Only two people are man enough to stand up to Shepard. Mordin and Wrex.

well Legion stands up to Shepard as well. And the VS (even if it was on a complete idiotic topic).

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You assume she doesn't do anything because of cowardness, Something she has proven to be everything must.

Oh? So
what reasoning is there for standing and doing nothing but crying as Shepand the Geth decide to protect the Geth the Quarians have to die  and then jumping off a  cliff rather than face the results of her
inaction? 

Love and being emotionally overwhelmed by betrayal.

Basically this. Some people just don't understand emotion, she could be confuse, panicking, worried, mad, sad, a lot of things which would have left her in shock.

I understand emotion just fine. I just don't see letting emotion let you not take any opportunity to save your people. Particularly not someone in a leadership position. Especially not someone who cares about her people as much as Tali. It weakens her character severely in my eyes (not that ME2 did her any favors).

You ovbiously don't. She's in shock and doesn't know what to do, acting on impluse and attacking just doesn't seem right, it's not that she's scared, it's shock and many things going on her head that' all. Not everybody is as impulsive as you apparently

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

Are you kidding me? The geth never want to attack the quarians. The geth even offered peace with the quarians.
Gerrel  would of had his safe haven with ease if he just tried for peace with the geth. The quarian tried to kill the geth agein? This is not a darwin award to do this?

They didn't.

And I'm starting to get the impression that many of the geth apologists are pretty thick headed. Atleast that's the only reason I can see for why they believe the quarians or the rest of the galaxy knows what Shepard knows. You keep saying "hurr they could've tried for peace", yet you ignore the simple fact that the only people who knew the geth were open for peace were Shepard and Tali. And they only knew through Legion. Sure, Tali mentioned Legion to the admirals, but would you just believe if someone told you the people who drove your ancestors from their homes, drove them to near extinction and force you to wander the galaxy in ships are actually lovey dovey peaceful people? Especially considering the fact that any previous contact with them was always accompanied by violence? And the fact that the geth never tried to contact anyone to tell them how peaceful they are in the whole 300 years they've been free? Anyone who could truthfully answer with yes is hopelessly naive and far too trusting.

No, they obvious thing to do is just attack the Geth while bringing along your liveships and hope for the best.

[Ryzaki]

Banul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

It could've improved something the Geth weren't able to take out her people until Legion uploaded the code. Taking out Legion could've saved her people no matter how slim the chance of her being successful. Standing there crying has no chance at all of saving her people. She who values her people so highly can't muster up enough backbone to attempt to stop their slaughter other than blubbering at Shepard? Pathetic. Spineless. Snivelling. I don't see how it's hard to understand.

And I can just laugh at how hard it is for you to understand that SHEPARD IS STANDING A FEW FEET AWAY FROM HER AND CAN EASILY STOP HER, SINCE HE'S BEEN GOING UP AGAINST CEATURES THAT WERE SEVERAL TIMES BIGGER THAN HIM AND WON.

What's even the point of throwing her life away like that if death is inevitable? Go out with a fight? Are we living in the stone age or something, where muscles before brains is all that counts?

Yes, we get it. You don't like Tali. You have told us that several times over with your needlessly detailed comments.

Awww caps lock. Are you angry everyone doesn't agree with you?

Yes and so has Tali. And yes bette5r to go out with a fight than QQ and throw yourself on a cliff while leaving those you claim to care so much about to die without even giving them a chance for survival.

Yes yes we both get that.

Bro, watch your entire species and everybody you ever cared about die and see how much fight you have left in you.

Tali could've tried to do something about it. Instead she decided to start QQing before they were even dead.

[Zardoc]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

Are you kidding me? The geth never want to attack the quarians. The geth even offered peace with the quarians.
Gerrel  would of had his safe haven with ease if he just tried for peace with the geth. The quarian tried to kill the geth agein? This is not a darwin award to do this?

They didn't.

And I'm starting to get the impression that many of the geth apologists are pretty thick headed. Atleast that's the only reason I can see for why they believe the quarians or the rest of the galaxy knows what Shepard knows. You keep saying "hurr they could've tried for peace", yet you ignore the simple fact that the only people who knew the geth were open for peace were Shepard and Tali. And they only knew through Legion. Sure, Tali mentioned Legion to the admirals, but would you just believe if someone told you the people who drove your ancestors from their homes, drove them to near extinction and force you to wander the galaxy in ships are actually lovey dovey peaceful people? Especially considering the fact that any previous contact with them was always accompanied by violence? And the fact that the geth never tried to contact anyone to tell them how peaceful they are in the whole 300 years they've been free? Anyone who could truthfully answer with yes is hopelessly naive and far too trusting.

No, they obvious thing to do is just attack the Geth while bringing along your liveships and hope for the best.

In their position? Yeah it is.

They needed every ship they had to take out the geth as quickly as possible, in order to get their homeworld back, where they could shelter any civilians, and then properly fight the Reapers. Beats the hell out of the alternative.

 
Tali could've tried to do something about it. Instead she decided to start QQing before they were even dead. 

If she was mad, perhaps. She is smart enough to realise she doesn't stand a chance against Shep and legion on her own, and she also realises that even if she could take out Shepard, it wouldn't help anyone, seeing how everyone kinda depends on him. She's pretty rational.

Modifié par Zardoc, 05 août 2012 - 05:06 .

[AxStapleton]

Modifié par AxStapleton, 05 août 2012 - 05:03 .

[Ryzaki]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Only two people are man enough to stand up to Shepard. Mordin and Wrex.

well Legion stands up to Shepard as well. And the VS (even if it was on a complete idiotic topic).

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You assume she doesn't do anything because of cowardness, Something she has proven to be everything must.

Oh? So
what reasoning is there for standing and doing nothing but crying as Shepand the Geth decide to protect the Geth the Quarians have to die  and then jumping off a  cliff rather than face the results of her
inaction? 

Love and being emotionally overwhelmed by betrayal.

Basically this. Some people just don't understand emotion, she could be confuse, panicking, worried, mad, sad, a lot of things which would have left her in shock.

I understand emotion just fine. I just don't see letting emotion let you not take any opportunity to save your people. Particularly not someone in a leadership position. Especially not someone who cares about her people as much as Tali. It weakens her character severely in my eyes (not that ME2 did her any favors).

You ovbiously don't. She's in shock and doesn't know what to do, acting on impluse and attacking just doesn't seem right, it's not that she's scared, it's shock and many things going on her head that' all. Not everybody is as impulsive as you apparently

She was an admiral on a military operation. Freezing up is something she can't afford to do. She is not a civilian at that point. She doesn't get a pass on that for me. It was her duty to try to stop Shepard. She failed. Her people weren't lost until Legion completed the code yet she let that window of opportunity fly by. Attacking Legion has a chance no matter how slim of saving her people. Standing there crying has zero chance of saving her people. Her standing there doing nothing to me is pathetic. Even more so because her admiral position.

It also means she took Shepard siding with her people for granted.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 05:06 .