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[Khajiit Jzargo]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...
I'd say it goes against Tali's character to not do anything, especially not try and kill Legion. I could understand her not doing anything if Shepard romanced her, though. Otherwise it feels pretty contrived, just like Shepard and crew not intervening when a god damn sick drell was fighting a Cerberus assassin.

It's not about character. The way the scenario was presented left her in a mental breakdown, even a very strong willed person might have been broken down....

FFS, she wasn't having a mental breakdown. And if she did, she is completely dysfunctional.

"Upload the code Legion." (In other words, at this rate your entire race is going to die)

"What?!?"

"Deal with it"

"Okay "

Any sensical person would've intervened. Legion intervened if the opposite option is selected. This scene kills the character of Tali'Zorah, the Quarian Codex.

Absurd and incorrect. Someone put in a situation like that could have even fainted. The state of awe a person can get from a scenario like that can leave them frozen, so please let's stop it right there.

I do agree 100%, her personality was out of character in this scene.

Um, okay. I'll just stop arguing now out of utter confusion.

It's called

Physchology 

[Conniving_Eagle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

FFS, she wasn't having a mental breakdown. And if she did, is completely dysfunctional.

"Upload the code Legion." (In other words, at this rate your entire races is going to die)

"What?!?"

"Deal with it"

"Okay "

Any sensical person would've intervened. Legion intervened if the opposite option is selected. This scene kills the character of Tali'Zorah, the Quarian Codex.

Okay, nothing is saying that her people is going to die, since Legion can upload the code without any slaughtering of either side happening, so she's hesitant.

The whole thing depends on whenever you stop the fleet from firing or letting them continue the battle with the upgraded geth, so if anything, it's all Shepard's fault for being passive. And don't tell me that the inexperienced admiral, who was struggling to give the fleet orders before is going to pull a miracle out of nowhere and convince them to stop.

Shepard has more experience than she does about leadership by far and he just lets it happen? Blame yourself for your incompetence, not others.

Whut?

[Someone With Mass]

Shepard was the one who allowed it all to happen, so it's more his fault than anything else.

Then again, he only seems to care about races getting exterminated when Thessia is hit, so go figure.

[Conniving_Eagle]

No, it's called flawed logic and unsubstantiated argument.

[Ryzaki]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

FFS, she wasn't having a mental breakdown. And if she did, is completely dysfunctional.

"Upload the code Legion." (In other words, at this rate your entire races is going to die)

"What?!?"

"Deal with it"

"Okay "

Any sensical person would've intervened. Legion intervened if the opposite option is selected. This scene kills the character of Tali'Zorah, the Quarian Codex.

Okay, nothing is saying that her people is going to die, since Legion can upload the code without any slaughtering of either side happening, so she's hesitant.

The whole thing depends on whenever you stop the fleet from firing or letting them continue the battle with the upgraded geth, so if anything, it's all Shepard's fault for being passive. And don't tell me that the inexperienced admiral, who was struggling to give the fleet orders before is going to pull a miracle out of nowhere and convince them to stop.

Shepard has more experience than she does about leadership by far and he just lets it happen? Blame yourself for your incompetence, not others.

Whut?

Someone clearly needs a reminder of what that scene actually looks like. Tali steps back while Legion completes teh code. Shep's not even looking at her. Stabbing Legion in the back wouldn't be impossible.

As for blaming Shepard. That doesn't stop her from doing nothing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 06:42 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Shepard was the one who allowed it all to happen, so it's more his fault than anything else.

Then again, he only seems to care about races getting exterminated when Thessia is hit, so go figure.

It's Shepard's fault the Gerrel is a butthead?

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

Someone clearly needs a reminder of what that scene actually looks like.

I'm going off what I've read about it on wikia, since I don't suck so bad that I actually got that scene. Two fleets are still better than one and if you let something as weak as character hate get in the way, blame yourself for getting something you don't want nor like. Again.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 05 août 2012 - 06:43 .

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Someone clearly needs a reminder of what that scene actually looks like.

I'm going off what I've read about it on wikia, since I don't suck so bad that I actually got that scene. Two fleets are still better than one and if you let something as weak as character hate get in the way, blame yourself for getting something you don't want nor like. Again.

*yawn* You don't have to suck to get that scene nice attempt at being cute though. As for character hate again *yawn* typical overly defensive Talimancer.

I am just fine with the ending I got. It's too bad I have to kill her off in ME2 to avoid that gag worthy rock scene though.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Ryzaki wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

FFS, she wasn't having a mental breakdown. And if she did, is completely dysfunctional.

"Upload the code Legion." (In other words, at this rate your entire races is going to die)

"What?!?"

"Deal with it"

"Okay "

Any sensical person would've intervened. Legion intervened if the opposite option is selected. This scene kills the character of Tali'Zorah, the Quarian Codex.

Okay, nothing is saying that her people is going to die, since Legion can upload the code without any slaughtering of either side happening, so she's hesitant.

The whole thing depends on whenever you stop the fleet from firing or letting them continue the battle with the upgraded geth, so if anything, it's all Shepard's fault for being passive. And don't tell me that the inexperienced admiral, who was struggling to give the fleet orders before is going to pull a miracle out of nowhere and convince them to stop.

Shepard has more experience than she does about leadership by far and he just lets it happen? Blame yourself for your incompetence, not others.

Whut?

Someone clearly needs a reminder of what that scene actually looks like. Tali steps back while Legion completes teh code. Shep's not even looking at her. Stabbing Legion in the back wouldn't be impossible.

As for blaming Shepard. That doesn't stop her from doing nothing.

Maybe Tali's reasoning is, "Shepard wouldn't want me to kill Legion."

Well I don't think Shepard would want you to kill yourself, either. If she's living for Shepard, then killing herself is pretty selfish.

[Someone With Mass]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

It's Shepard's fault the Gerrel is a butthead?

Uh, no. It's his fault for not trying to make both sides not fight each other. Otherwise, he has no place in that scene if he's just going to watch.

It's funny how genocide is A-OK when Shepard is doing it.

[Ryzaki]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

FFS, she wasn't having a mental breakdown. And if she did, is completely dysfunctional.

"Upload the code Legion." (In other words, at this rate your entire races is going to die)

"What?!?"

"Deal with it"

"Okay "

Any sensical person would've intervened. Legion intervened if the opposite option is selected. This scene kills the character of Tali'Zorah, the Quarian Codex.

Okay, nothing is saying that her people is going to die, since Legion can upload the code without any slaughtering of either side happening, so she's hesitant.

The whole thing depends on whenever you stop the fleet from firing or letting them continue the battle with the upgraded geth, so if anything, it's all Shepard's fault for being passive. And don't tell me that the inexperienced admiral, who was struggling to give the fleet orders before is going to pull a miracle out of nowhere and convince them to stop.

Shepard has more experience than she does about leadership by far and he just lets it happen? Blame yourself for your incompetence, not others.

Whut?

Someone clearly needs a reminder of what that scene actually looks like. Tali steps back while Legion completes teh code. Shep's not even looking at her. Stabbing Legion in the back wouldn't be impossible.

As for blaming Shepard. That doesn't stop her from doing nothing.

Maybe Tali's reasoning is, "Shepard wouldn't want me to kill Legion."

Well I don't think Shepard would want you to kill yourself, either. If she's living for Shepard, then killing herself is pretty selfish.

Apparently saying I'm sorry makes it acceptable. Same for Shepard.

[MystEU]

Quarians put themselves in that mess, but us organics have to stick together.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

It's Shepard's fault the Gerrel is a butthead?

Uh, no. It's his fault for not trying to make both sides not fight each other. Otherwise, he has no place in that scene if he's just going to watch.

It's funny how genocide is A-OK when Shepard is doing it.

Well, this thread was a hypothetical question. Most people (myself included) brokered peace.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

It's Shepard's fault the Gerrel is a butthead?

Uh, no. It's his fault for not trying to make both sides not fight each other. Otherwise, he has no place in that scene if he's just going to watch.

It's funny how genocide is A-OK when Shepard is doing it.

Considering the Quarians/Geth aren't the first species Shep can wipe out it's just a nother tally. Not anything to go OMG about.

And of course. It's Shep's fault that Gerral's only willing to listen to the magical blue/red button and stop attacking the Geth. Of course.

I suppose it's also SHep's fault Gerral fired on the dreadnaught.

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

*yawn* You don't have to suck to get that scene nice attempt at being cute though. As for character hate again *yawn* typical overly defensive Talimancer.

I am just fine with the ending I got. It's too bad I have to kill her off in ME2 to avoid that gag worthy rock scene though.

Maybe you should rest your head so you stop typing "*yawn*" all the time, as they're not making you look cool with the whole "not caring" attitude if that's what you think.

By the way. Patrick Weeks thinks that anyone who kills a race like that is a monster, so maybe that's why they didn't care about the specific details in that scene.

If you do, go cry to someone who can change it instead. Otherwise, you can always stop bragging about your failure of a playthrough and move on.

[DarkenRevan]

I don't know if I can choose one or the other.
The Quarians sort of need the Geth to survive.  The Geth are no longer their servents but they still help them as allies; such as helping the Quarians adapt to their Homeworld by uploading themselves to their suits and creating mini viruses to help them adapt quicker.  The Geth also build housing at a very fast rate.  Tali said all of this to Shepard after the retaking of the Homeworld. 
If the Quarians die, I'm sure with their extinction, the Geth would probably help the rest of the galaxy as their goal isn't to wage war but to understand.

I was wondering...wouldn't the destroy ending kill off the Quarians too because of their environment suits?
"Partially" synthetic/machine because they need those to live.  I mean if the Geth can upload themselves into their suits wouldn't that be synthetic? 

Modifié par DarkenRevan, 05 août 2012 - 06:57 .

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*yawn* You don't have to suck to get that scene nice attempt at being cute though. As for character hate again *yawn* typical overly defensive Talimancer.

I am just fine with the ending I got. It's too bad I have to kill her off in ME2 to avoid that gag worthy rock scene though.

Maybe you should rest your head so you stop typing "*yawn*" all the time, as they're not making you look cool with the whole "not caring" attitude if that's what you think.

By the way. Patrick Weeks thinks that anyone who kills a race like that is a monster, so maybe that's why they didn't care about the specific details in that scene.

If you do, go cry to someone who can change it instead. Otherwise, you can always stop bragging about your failure of a playthrough and move on.

*yawns* If you don't like it by all means move on.

OMG I totally care sooo much about what the dev thinks of my choice! I'm crying over here because he doesn't like my choice! I'm pretty crying buckets!

LOL failure of a playthrough I got destroy + hun or Control (depending on what mood I'm in). I didn't fail at all. Defeated the Reapers and got to live.   (even as a AI god...thing). So yeah I won. And the Quarians killed themselves so. Trying to claim siding with the geth is a "failure" is cute though.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 06:58 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

DarkenRevan wrote...

I was wondering...wouldn't the destroy ending kill off the Quarians too because of their environment suits?
"Partially" synthetic/machine because they need those to live. 

Seeing as Destroy doesn't destroy other advanced technologies such as spaceships, no.

[Ryzaki]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

DarkenRevan wrote...

I was wondering...wouldn't the destroy ending kill off the Quarians too because of their environment suits?
"Partially" synthetic/machine because they need those to live. 

Seeing as Destroy doesn't destroy other advanced technologies such as spaceships, no.

...Destroy just feels like dead Geth and EDI were put in it to make Control and Synthesis look better. They should've kept the completely destroying all tech bit or took EDI and the Geth dying out (or just destroyed their platforms) as it is it just feels off.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 07:00 .

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...
*Got tired of your childish overuse of smileys* Trying to claim siding with the geth is a "failure" is cute though. 

Yeah, you only get one fleet, so you're shooting yourself in the foot in the long run by having to get more assets. Not to mention that the entire arc means nothing if you pick Destroy later.

Funny how someone who apparently likes to brag about fighting to the end isn't fine about bragging about saving everyone. But what do I know, maybe you like to half-ass things. It'd explain a lot.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 05 août 2012 - 07:10 .

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
*Got tired of your childish overuse of smileys* Trying to claim siding with the geth is a "failure" is cute though. 

Yeah, you only get one fleet, so you're shooting yourself in the foot in the long run by having to get more assets. Not to mention that the entire arc means nothing if you pick Destroy later.

Funny how someone who apparently likes to brag about fighting to the end isn't fine about bragging about saving everyone. But what do I know, maybe you like to half-ass things. It'd explain a lot.

LOL it's amusing you you call me childish kettle.

And nope still didn't fail. Not attempt to backpeddal though. Long run resulted in you know Shep defeating the Reapers. Which was his goal.

Yes yes keep up the "you fail because you didn't pick my choice." as for half-assing nope. I finish what I came to do. And you're not bragging about saving everyone. You're claiming everything else is a fail condition. It's not. As long as Shep defeats the Reapers. He didn't fail.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 07:19 .