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[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...
You're claiming everything else is a fail condition. It's not. As long as Shep defeats the Reapers. He didn't fail. 

Only if you pick Control and/or Synthesis, considering the expanded history of the Starchild in the Leviathan DLC TKL files. Especially Synthesis, since then you're doing exactly what the Reapers' creator wants without stopping the Reapers or gaining any control over them.

Shepard can also live to reap the benefits of his actions in Destroy.

Dying while saving others is so overrated. Especially when there's another perfectly viable option.

[Banul]

This thread is devolving real fast

[Demon560]

Well you are on Rannoch to get aid for the reaper war, though both is obviously better if you have to choose between destroying one or the other its a hard choice, because the geth are only cooperating with you because of legion and legion because you killed the Heretics God-Sovereign, and the Quarians are just like any other Organic scarred of AI's, they did react in a brutal way though so can't blame the Geth for revolting, You pick the Geth you kill them with Destroy ending, you pick Quarians just proves the Starbrat correct about the synthetic vs Organic Conflict, So maybe Geth would be better if you rewrote the Heretics more War assets too, And for the Destroy Ending killing EDI and the Geth, I kind of thought it was because they all had Reaper Codes inside them.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
You're claiming everything else is a fail condition. It's not. As long as Shep defeats the Reapers. He didn't fail. 

Only if you pick Control and/or Synthesis, considering the expanded history of the Starchild in the Leviathan DLC TKL files. Especially Synthesis, since then you're doing exactly what the Reapers' creator wants without stopping the Reapers or gaining any control over them.

Shepard can also live to reap the benefits of his actions in Destroy.

Dying while saving others is so overrated. Especially when there's another perfectly viable option.

How on earth is Destroy a fail condition? You stopped the Reapers. Who cares what the brat says he's a rogue insane AI. Only thing that's close to a fail condition is Refusal.

And yeah that's my point.

Shep doesn't know he'll survive Destroy (frankly there's plenty to suggest he won't).

[Ryzaki]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

 Technically, letting the Quarians be destroyed *is* a failure in terms of your objective, the entire reason you're on Rannoch is to help the Quarians so you just wasted your time coming there, the Geth are just a bonus. That would be like instead of getting the Krogans on board, you just blow up Tuchanka.

What Cthulu said. It's more like sabotoging the genophage and having Wrex find out. You got one army instead of another. It's not exactly a failure in terms of defeating the Reapers.

[devSin]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Well, you can let the bomb go off...

Eve got the bomb!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Quarians. I had told Gerrel to take out the dreadnought as soon as the shields came down. My bad. That wasn't too bright. I should have told him to wait for a signal from me. I told him to hold fire. He didn't. We escaped anyway. Aside from that one instance the Quarians had done nothing against the Alliance.

The Geth, on the other hand, for the rest of the story arc to that point had been my enemy, except for Legion. Even the non-heretics attacked me in the Armstrong Cluster. So I wasn't about to trust them at that point.

I chose the Quarians. Besides, Hackett's instructions were to deliver the Quarian fleet to him no matter the cost, and Hackett is my commanding officer. Having Geth VI there instead of Legion made it easier to do this.

[BatmanPWNS]

devSin wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Well, you can let the bomb go off...

Eve got the bomb!

Talking about bombs reminded me of this:

[Ryzaki]

devSin wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Well, you can let the bomb go off...

Eve got the bomb!

That's mean.

I can't do that. That's just a level of incompetenence or maliciousness I can't fathom. Only way I can let it go off is if I never have my Shep talk to Victus...and I can't see my Shep doing that.

[devSin]

Ryzaki wrote...

That's mean.

It's almost worth it, to hear Wrex chew you out at the end. Not happy at all. :-)

[Stella-Arc]

If I had to choose one?

The Quarians but I would always choose both.

Both sides are at fault. The problems stems from a sporadic emotion, fear (for the Geth, self-preservation). The Quarians believed they were simple machines in the process of becoming sentient. They wanted to prevent a war but underestimated them. Their actions were understandable. However, killing their own people (and it appears that many have forgotten that not all Quarians wanted to shut down the Geth) who were protecting the Geth is inexcusable. Despite that, I can't blame the Quarians for what their Ancestors did. If that was the case, I should hate every Spaniard because their Ancestors brutally exterminated a large portion of my people.

The Geth acted in self-defense. However, it later became a genocide. There is no denying that.

In the end, both sides wanted to protect themselves but it escalated into a brutal war. Both sides having "good" intentions gone wrong. I can never truly hate either race.

Nor can I blame Tali for not responding to Legion uploading the Reaper Code.

Modifié par Stella-Arc, 08 août 2012 - 08:23 .

[SSPBOURNE]

 Both choices are morall gray, but I pick the Quarians because they have nicer butts we need them to manage supply lines. The Geth are poweful, but we weren't looking for firepower when we came to the Quarians. We wanted numbers.
Ruthless calculus of war, eh?

[Podge 90]

On my first playthroughs I always brokered peace.  But if I had to choose I would always side with the Geth, and on subsequent games I will always choose the Geth now.

Yes the Geth were the enemy for pretty much the entirety of the story, but at least I knew they were trying to kill me; the Quarians went behind my back and were willing to sacrifice the galaxy's best hope against the Reapers just so they could destroy a lone Geth ship.  At that point, my Shepard was on a mission to slap some Quarian faces.

They are isolationist, and so have no consideration or thought about the consequences of their actions.  Even when it became clear that the Geth could be used to our own benefit, they still attacked, taking themselves and the Geth out of the fight with the Reapers.  After facing brick wall after brick wall with trying to get united forces in this war, after not being listened to again and again, my Shepard had enough and thought f'k that; if you want to take on a superior fighting force in a head-on fight, be my guest.  The Geth are a far better asset in a war, and because they are based on logic you know where they are at.

The Geth killed so many Quarians because they incessantly threw themselves at unbreakable Geth lines.  They are gypsies that have no idea of how to win a war, and so in that sense are useless in a galactic wide fight against the Reapers.  Good riddance.

I look forward to Tali jumping off a cliff too.  If she doesn't die in my ME2 playthrough I'll be rubbing my hands with glee.  What an annoying rat.

Zardoc wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Geth. Quarians have proven time and time again that they care about themselves more than the galaxy.

Given the fact that the galaxy never gave a damn about the quarians, who could blame them if that were actually true.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Modifié par Podge 90, 08 août 2012 - 10:26 .

[Helios969]

That's simple, the Quarians since the Geth are gonna be destroyed anyways. Plus, Tali's hips.

[obZen DF]

In my blind playthru I romanced Tali in ME2, rejected her in ME3, didn't have the option to broker peace, chose the Geth, as a result: Tali commited suicide. Now that's a dramatic war story.

Modifié par obZen DF, 08 août 2012 - 12:18 .

[SSPBOURNE]

obZen DF wrote...

In my blind playthru I romanced Tali in ME2, rejected her in ME3, didn't have the option to broker peace, chose the Geth, as a result: Tali commited suicide. Now that's a dramatic war story.

FLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAME

[obZen DF]

SSPBOURNE wrote...

obZen DF wrote...

In my blind playthru I romanced Tali in ME2, rejected her in ME3, didn't have the option to broker peace, chose the Geth, as a result: Tali commited suicide. Now that's a dramatic war story.

FLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAMEFLAME

I voted 'The Geth (Romanced Tali)' on the poll. And in this thread I adress that.
Don't see how that is FLAMEFLAME:?

[Ranger Jack Walker]

The Quarians really suck at the whole war business.

[Haiyato]

Didn't romance Tali. Since this poll is based on not having the option to broker peace, I would side with the Geth.

[Conniving_Eagle]

The poll seems pretty even among the less-biased players.

[Stella-Arc]

Both sides were compete idiots that needed my help to fix their mistakes but I would have chosen the Quarians. 

I can't blame the Quarians for what their Ancestors did and I can't blame the average Quarians for what their Admirals (meaning Shala, Xen and Gerrel) voted on. It has been stated that the Flotilla was evenly divided about going to war with the Geth or not in ME2 and in ME3.

The Geth decided to ally themselves with the Reapers who wants to harvest and destroy organic life. If the Geth ever DID win the war against their Creators, would just say "see ya" to the Reapers? I don't think so. Legion, A.K.A. the Geth Consensus, would have fought against me because of the Reaper "virus". 

Legion betrayed me big time. 

If Legion had any balls I would have ran up to him and kicked him between the legs yelling "bosh'tet!". Then I'll do the same with the Admirals (Shala and Xen would have received a nice punch to the stomach while Gerrel would have been thrown out the airlock).  

[Lawrence0294]

I'll have to go with the geth

[Sweawm]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

The Quarians really suck at the whole war business.

Well, actually they were winning before the Reapers came in and helped the Geth. 

I'm also wondering on that note, if the Reapers caused the Geth Rebellions as well? They started the Rachni War, and for what? When watching the recordings in the Consesus missions, it dosn't even look like the Geth cared about fighting back. Maybe the Geth that fought back were rallied by Sovereign?
After all, three hundred years ago is when Sovereign first woke up and discovered he couldn't signal the Citadel, the same time the Geth Rebellion began, and the Geth Heretics became Sovereign's army... 

[babymoon]

First playthrough I didn't get to ensure peace, and I sided with the Geth. Never been a huge fan of the Quarians, Tali, or their decisions. It was horrible watching Tali commit suicide though.

Funny now that I think about it, because I chose Destroy at the end ha ha...ha....

Modifié par babymoon, 11 août 2012 - 08:57 .