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[dreman9999]

JesseLee202 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

I saved the Quarians on my main playthrough (femshep). I did this for two main reasons.

1. Geth don't suffer when you kill them, nor do they have women and children.

2. As opposed to the millions of Quarians, the geth consensus is really only a single consciousness. Like a computer with many terminals through which it can be accessed. So it wasn't a hard choice really. Millions of lives or one consciousness?

1. Wow......That grasping for straws. The geth have diffent stages of development and form then we do and it's ok  to kill them?

2.You don't understand the geth at all. It's not one consciousness. It more of a case of many people sharing one mind and the more people together the more intelligent the brain gets. You not kill one consciousness. Your killing trillions.

But you're A OKAY with letting women and children die, thousands of them?

Life is Life. The same concept with the geth/quarian conflict can said with any race. If your issue is based on innocence, the geth and the quariance civilians are just as innocent. Nether wanted this war. I'm not going to degrade a form of sentient life just because it's different.  What if the was the turians and the krogan or any oth er race in this death to all conflict? You point would have no merrit.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Zardoc wrote...
Of course I am, because that is essentially what they were. They just gained self awareness and had no moral compass whatsoever. They were confused and were agressively fighting for their survival.

And one or two units asking whether or not they had a soul does not mean every geth already gained self awareness. The quarians hoped to stop the spread before it really started.

The Quarians knew the Geth were becoming self-aware, and they tried to stop that. I don't understand. Are you saying their actions are justifiable?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

It can be either seen as a misunderstanding or they can be both to blame, you can't shift the blame all to one group, that's bogus.

If I had to choose one for whatever reason, I choose the Quarians, why? Because I'm not sure I can trust the Geth, in a military stand point their more effective in both what they bring to the fight and how other races don't look at them as hostile, and because if I'm force to commit genocide, I might as well kill the one that has the least people if their both equally wrong.

But in my personal point of view, I find the Geth to be more wrong.

What? You're not committing genocide if you have no alternative.

I don't care how you want to say it, the point is killing a whole species.

The point is not being able to save one species in this case, simply because we can't. We aren't responsible for the Quarian-Geth conflict, so it's not our fault.

But if you want to put it that way... We already committed genocide against the Heretics, against the Rachni and the Collectors. How does it feel?

I meant to say it's not genocide, but the whole species is dying.

[Lokiwithrope]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Machines can be rebuilt.

But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

[Dunabar]

The Geth were my enemy in mass effect 1 - They were pretty much in Reaper hands
The Geth were my enemy in Mass effect 2 with the exception of Legion, which in turn started the victimization of the Geth - They were still pretty much in Reaper hands
The Geth again were my enemy in Mass effect 3 - This time choosing to side with the Reapers and yet again we're fed this Victimization of the Geth. Enough is enough...

Death to the Geth.

[Zardoc]

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I thought you were talking about priority: Rannoch. The geth didn't kill 99% of the Quarian population in the morning war. As far as I know.

They did. Assuming a population of about 15 billion in the pre-Morning War times (which is low, given the fact that the quarians have been flying around the galaxy for about 2000 years longer than we have). The flottilla's population remained more or less stable over the years aswell. You'd have to be blind to not see some connections here.

Source please? other wise...BS.

On the second part? The game. The first part is common sense. Humanity just recently reached the stars, and on Earth alone we have 12 billion inhabitants. The quarians reached that stage 2000 years before us. Only a very dull individual would believe their population didn't number in the 2 digit billion by the time of the Morning War. So we have several billion quarians before the Morning War, and 17 million 300 years after it. Unless they all committed seppuku, there is only one explanation for that drop in population.

 
The Quarians knew the Geth were becoming self-aware, and they tried to stop that. I don't understand. Are you saying their actions are justifiable?

 

They tried to stop a problem before it could become one. I don't see how their actions weren't justified. 

Modifié par Zardoc, 05 août 2012 - 04:07 .

[DRTJR]

Quarians, best race ever.

[dreman9999]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

I saved the Quarians on my main playthrough (femshep). I did this for two main reasons.

1. Geth don't suffer when you kill them, nor do they have women and children.

2. As opposed to the millions of Quarians, the geth consensus is really only a single consciousness. Like a computer with many terminals through which it can be accessed. So it wasn't a hard choice really. Millions of lives or one consciousness?

1. Wow......That grasping for straws. The geth have diffent stages of development and form then we do and it's ok  to kill them?

2.You don't understand the geth at all. It's not one consciousness. It more of a case of many people sharing one mind and the more people together the more intelligent the brain gets. You not kill one consciousness. Your killing trillions.

I kinda agree with your first point, but second one is invalid. There are way more Quarians than Geth...

I'm right on the second point. You looking at the geth on the concept of their mobile platforms. That that not the geths true from, they are software. One geth  moblie platform can have 100 of more. Priomes have 1000 geth in them.

[crazyaz]

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

It can be either seen as a misunderstanding or they can be both to blame, you can't shift the blame all to one group, that's bogus.

If I had to choose one for whatever reason, I choose the Quarians, why? Because I'm not sure I can trust the Geth, in a military stand point their more effective in both what they bring to the fight and how other races don't look at them as hostile, and because if I'm force to commit genocide, I might as well kill the one that has the least people if their both equally wrong.

But in my personal point of view, I find the Geth to be more wrong.

What? You're not committing genocide if you have no alternative.

I don't care how you want to say it, the point is killing a whole species.

The point is not being able to save one species in this case, simply because we can't. We aren't responsible for the Quarian-Geth conflict, so it's not our fault.

But if you want to put it that way... We already committed genocide against the Heretics, against the Rachni and the Collectors. How does it feel?

You bring up a valid point...I didn't give a second thought to killing the collectors, even once I knew they were once protheans...but it was still kinda genocide no matter how much "No longer really organic" Mordin threw at me. Dammit! He fooled me into commiting genocide with his awesome singing!!!!

[Someone With Mass]

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

[dreman9999]

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I thought you were talking about priority: Rannoch. The geth didn't kill 99% of the Quarian population in the morning war. As far as I know.

They did. Assuming a population of about 15 billion in the pre-Morning War times (which is low, given the fact that the quarians have been flying around the galaxy for about 2000 years longer than we have). The flottilla's population remained more or less stable over the years aswell. You'd have to be blind to not see some connections here.

Source please? other wise...BS.

On the second part? The game.

No...Link it. With sorces we give links to back our climes so again...Sorces please.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I thought you were talking about priority: Rannoch. The geth didn't kill 99% of the Quarian population in the morning war. As far as I know.

They did. Assuming a population of about 15 billion in the pre-Morning War times (which is low, given the fact that the quarians have been flying around the galaxy for about 2000 years longer than we have). The flottilla's population remained more or less stable over the years aswell. You'd have to be blind to not see some connections here.

Source please? other wise...BS.

On the second part? The game.

No...Link it. With sorces we give links to back our climes so again...Sorces please.

From a post I posted previously,



And let me help you support that even more

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War

"The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life"

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 05 août 2012 - 04:09 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Just because something asks if it has a soul doesn't mean it has one.

That makes about as much sense as if I asked if I have telekinesis and then I have it.

What is a soul? And what has one?

[MegaSovereign]

While I love the Geth, they are not organic.

Is that racism? Sure.

Not all the Quarians are idiots. They only went to war on a narrow 3-2 vote and most of the civilians did not wish to go to war. So I question some of the people on this thread saying that they deserve death.

[crazyaz]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Machines can be rebuilt.

But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

Well, think about it like this, If I kill you, I can't take pieces from other people to make you.
But if I break my computer, spare parts work perfectly well, and I could even make a computer from scratch if I had the aptitude. All you need to make a geth is a blueprint. But to make an organic requires billions of years of evolution.

[Zardoc]

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I thought you were talking about priority: Rannoch. The geth didn't kill 99% of the Quarian population in the morning war. As far as I know.

They did. Assuming a population of about 15 billion in the pre-Morning War times (which is low, given the fact that the quarians have been flying around the galaxy for about 2000 years longer than we have). The flottilla's population remained more or less stable over the years aswell. You'd have to be blind to not see some connections here.

Source please? other wise...BS.

On the second part? The game.

No...Link it. With sorces we give links to back our climes so again...Sorces please.

Have you ever played the first Mass Effect and by any chance talked to Tali? She is a walking codex entry on the quarians. She says the flottilla keeps a strict policy regarding the population.

[Toki]

I still cannot bring myself to really justify anything that the Quarians did. They attempted genocide due to a question; sure, they were becoming sentient, but I'm sure they could have worked something out with a sentient AI-- a sentient AI is like a human, just not blood and bone-- they can be reasoned with.

Also, the Geth never pursued them off world even knowing they could win, which shows they don't want to go on a genocide of an entire sentient race-- unlike the Quarians. They might say shut them down, but to Geth, that's genocide-- who wouldn't act in self defense?

The Geth were also constructing a station for themselves to live so they can give the Quarians back all of their homeworlds--something that the Quarians interrupted and ruined for themselves. Ultimately, it's up to the Quarians-- if they stand down, so will the Geth, if they attack, so will the Geth. The Geth are being reasonable and are willing to broker peace, while the Quarians are butthurt about problems that are their own damn fault. The only reason the Geth used Reaper tech is because the Quarians attacked-- so once again, all that they're doing is provoking their own demise and all they do is just complain about it.

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par Vulsamee, 05 août 2012 - 04:11 .

[AxStapleton]

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I thought you were talking about priority: Rannoch. The geth didn't kill 99% of the Quarian population in the morning war. As far as I know.

They did. Assuming a population of about 15 billion in the pre-Morning War times (which is low, given the fact that the quarians have been flying around the galaxy for about 2000 years longer than we have). The flottilla's population remained more or less stable over the years aswell. You'd have to be blind to not see some connections here.

Source please? other wise...BS.

On the second part? The game.

No...Link it. With sorces we give links to back our climes so again...Sorces please.

Oh so the Quarians only numbered a few million although they had an embassy on the citadel, did they? Come on, put 2 and 2 together.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Machines can be rebuilt.

They're not machines, they're AIs. And AIs can't be recreated.

[dreman9999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

[dreman9999]

AxStapleton wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I thought you were talking about priority: Rannoch. The geth didn't kill 99% of the Quarian population in the morning war. As far as I know.

They did. Assuming a population of about 15 billion in the pre-Morning War times (which is low, given the fact that the quarians have been flying around the galaxy for about 2000 years longer than we have). The flottilla's population remained more or less stable over the years aswell. You'd have to be blind to not see some connections here.

Source please? other wise...BS.

On the second part? The game.

No...Link it. With sorces we give links to back our climes so again...Sorces please.

Oh so the Quarians only numbered a few million although they had an embassy on the citadel, did they? Come on, put 2 and 2 together.

Sorry. Source please. I used stand they lost billion but how much is never stated.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Zardoc wrote...

They tried to stop a problem before it could become one. I don't see how their actions weren't justified.

It was already a problem. And they responded with violence. I don't see how that can be justified.
It was a mistake. Committing mistakes is human, but you're expected not to commit them again. And yet they attack Rannoch in ME3 with the goal of eradicating the Geth.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

[dreman9999]

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I thought you were talking about priority: Rannoch. The geth didn't kill 99% of the Quarian population in the morning war. As far as I know.

They did. Assuming a population of about 15 billion in the pre-Morning War times (which is low, given the fact that the quarians have been flying around the galaxy for about 2000 years longer than we have). The flottilla's population remained more or less stable over the years aswell. You'd have to be blind to not see some connections here.

Source please? other wise...BS.

On the second part? The game.

No...Link it. With sorces we give links to back our climes so again...Sorces please.

Have you ever played the first Mass Effect and by any chance talked to Tali? She is a walking codex entry on the quarians. She says the flottilla keeps a strict policy regarding the population.

Yes.. I have. No real number of precetage was ever give. You have no proof the spacific number you stated is fact.