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[agu123]

Ryzaki wrote...

Gethsemane always even with peace. Qoarians got their Darwin Award they were so thirsty for. Tali killing herself like a spineless wimp instead of trying to fight for her people was just icing.

Yeah, she could for example, shoot the Geth ships with her shotgun direcly from the planet. Or she could attempt to kill Legion and instantly be stopped by Shepard.

Infantry is useless when the conflict occurs in space. Tali doesn't do anything because she can't do anything.

[Someone With Mass]

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

[crazyaz]

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

We have 12 billion or so, and are projected to have 20 billion in like, 30 years or less. They've got 2000 years on us. I'd say 17 billion is an extraordinarily low estimate. If we were just to project our population growth to thier +2k years, we'd be looking at triple digit billions if not mono digit trillions

[Pitznik]

Vulsamee wrote...

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

They weren't indoctrinated. They worshipped the Reapers in ME1, out of their own will. Even Legion doesn't say they were indoctrinated, just they decided by themselves. I don't think synthetics even can be indoctrinated.

[dreman9999]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

[Ryzaki]

Wimbini wrote...

Considering i always disliked Tali from the start i always go for the geth.
Letting her die in the SM is no fun.

[Conniving_Eagle]

MegaSovereign wrote...

While I love the Geth, they are not organic.

Is that racism? Sure.

Not all the Quarians are idiots. They only went to war on a narrow 3-2 vote and most of the civilians did not wish to go to war. So I question some of the people on this thread saying that they deserve death.

Maybe a writing plothole? The Quarians going to war was based on the Conclave's decision. The Admiralty Board has to agree unanimously to make a decision that overrides the Conclave's authority. The Admiralty board is too conflicted to decide whether or not to go to war.

[Someone With Mass]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

What is a soul? And what has one?

Hell if I know. I'm not into that metaphysical crap.

[dreman9999]

Pitznik wrote...

Vulsamee wrote...

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

They weren't indoctrinated. They worshipped the Reapers in ME1, out of their own will. Even Legion doesn't say they were indoctrinated, just they decided by themselves. I don't think synthetics even can be indoctrinated.

Synthestics can be indoctrianted. It's called rewriting it's programing. The hertics gave them selves up to reaper control. They only did what the reaper told them to do.

[dreman9999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

While I love the Geth, they are not organic.

Is that racism? Sure.

Not all the Quarians are idiots. They only went to war on a narrow 3-2 vote and most of the civilians did not wish to go to war. So I question some of the people on this thread saying that they deserve death.

Maybe a writing plothole? The Quarians going to war was based on the Conclave's decision. The Admiralty Board has to agree unanimously to make a decision that overrides the Conclave's authority. The Admiralty board is too conflicted to decide whether or not to go to war.

They went to war base on the admerals desison allow. Remeber, tali tells you this when you meet her.

[Cobalt2113]

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

I saved the Quarians on my main playthrough (femshep). I did this for two main reasons.

1. Geth don't suffer when you kill them, nor do they have women and children.

2. As opposed to the millions of Quarians, the geth consensus is really only a single consciousness. Like a computer with many terminals through which it can be accessed. So it wasn't a hard choice really. Millions of lives or one consciousness?

1. Wow......That grasping for straws. The geth have diffent stages of development and form then we do and it's ok  to kill them?

2.You don't understand the geth at all. It's not one consciousness. It more of a case of many people sharing one mind and the more people together the more intelligent the brain gets. You not kill one consciousness. Your killing trillions.

I kinda agree with your first point, but second one is invalid. There are way more Quarians than Geth...

I'm right on the second point. You looking at the geth on the concept of their mobile platforms. That that not the geths true from, they are software. One geth  moblie platform can have 100 of more. Priomes have 1000 geth in them.

But those programs are not each a sentient consciousness. Legion is the one who says it, though I'd have to play through again to find the exact quote. But he says that Geth do not have individuals. That the only difference between platforms is one of perspective.

[sentinel_87]

Ever since I listened to the geth codex entry on Eden Prime in Mass Effect I told myself I was going to destroy the geth if I ever got the opportunity. I did in Mass Effect 3.

I chose the quarians

Every



Single



Time

[Zardoc]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

They tried to stop a problem before it could become one. I don't see how their actions weren't justified.

It was already a problem. And they responded with violence. I don't see how that can be justified.
It was a mistake. Committing mistakes is human, but you're expected not to commit them again. And yet they attack Rannoch in ME3 with the goal of eradicating the Geth.

Have you ever stopped for just a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the quarians? Here is what they know: They have been driven to extinction by the geth, lost their homeworld to them and were forced to live on ships for 300 years. They have no idea that the geth are more than willing to given them their homeworld back and that they are peaceful. Every encounter they had with the geth was marked by hostility, from both sides. They need a homeworld to shelter their civilians in the coming Reaper War and had just found a way to efficiently combat the geth. Tell me anyone else wouldn't have done the same damn thing as the quarians under those circumstances.

[crazyaz]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The other cool thing about killing the geth is that Garrus Brokarian, Javik the Brothean, and Kaidan Alenkbro all tell you how awesome you are for blowing them up. And I follow the policy of "bros before robos".

XDXD That's hillarious!!!

[Someone With Mass]

dreman9999 wrote...
The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

Even if they had just one billion, (which they didn't, since the mention of the number was in plural) a drop to merely 17 millions is a really high casualty rate.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

If you have a DNA sample, you can clone the Quarians. It works both ways.
If you commit genocide, on either species, it won't be the same.

[Reorte]

To condemn all the quarians is like condemning any nation on earth for what its moronic leaders get up to, whilst the geth truly do act out of concensus. Killing the quarians definitely kills millions of innocents. And the geth could be rebuilt.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The other cool thing about killing the geth is that Garrus Brokarian, Javik the Brothean, and Kaidan Alenkbro all tell you how awesome you are for blowing them up. And I follow the policy of "bros before robos".

What about James Broga?

[Pitznik]

dreman9999 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Vulsamee wrote...

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

They weren't indoctrinated. They worshipped the Reapers in ME1, out of their own will. Even Legion doesn't say they were indoctrinated, just they decided by themselves. I don't think synthetics even can be indoctrinated.

Synthestics can be indoctrianted. It's called rewriting it's programing. The hertics gave them selves up to reaper control. They only did what the reaper told them to do.

Sovereign didn't like Geth worshipping him, yet they still did. They weren't his mindless pawns, but willing associates. There is no ingame confimation Heretics were indoctrinated. The heretics were still heretic long after Sovereign got destroyed and there were no Reapers in sight.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

Do you know how AI works? The Geth can't be 'rebuilt.'

It's about as possible as the Quarian race being recreated.

[flanny]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

The 'soul' thing killed the geth for me, it completely destroyed all their lore that they are a collective they are all Geth no individuals just Geth. I think ME2 Legion would have corrected you if you said you think he had a soul.

[dreman9999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

Even if they had just one billion, (which they didn't, since the mention of the number was in plural) a drop to merely 17 millions is a really high casualty rate.

But it still is a case of self defence anyway. Remeber, the geth did let the quarians go. How much of that casuality list is just with the quarians trying to kill of the geth?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Pitznik wrote...

Vulsamee wrote...

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

They weren't indoctrinated. They worshipped the Reapers in ME1, out of their own will. Even Legion doesn't say they were indoctrinated, just they decided by themselves. I don't think synthetics even can be indoctrinated.

This is ridiculous. Synthetics can be indoctrinated by being rewritten, that's what happen with the heretics, they joined the Reapers in an attempt to survive.