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[Ryzaki]

agu123 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Gethsemane always even with peace. Qoarians got their Darwin Award they were so thirsty for. Tali killing herself like a spineless wimp instead of trying to fight for her people was just icing.

Yeah, she could for example, shoot the Geth ships with her shotgun direcly from the planet. Or she could attempt to kill Legion and instantly be stopped by Shepard.

Infantry is useless when the conflict occurs in space. Tali doesn't do anything because she can't do anything.

Yeah it's not like Legion's uploading the code right next to her and killing him won't stop the code. Also Legion has enough spine to fight Tali and Shepard (he also loses and would've been fairly aware of his terrible odds but when the alternative is extinction of your race small odds are better than zero odds) why doesn't she for someone who values her people so highly she's sure quick to stand there and go QQ.

She could attempt to attack Legion. She'd get killed by Shepard sure but she could try there's always the chance that she'd succeed in killing Legion and saving her people. At least then she'd go out with some backbone.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 04:25 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

What is a soul? And what has one?

Hell if I know. I'm not into that metaphysical crap.

Then don't place intrinsic value on it.

[FaWa]

Geth. Quarians have proven time and time again that they care about themselves more than the galaxy.

[Zardoc]

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Quarian Migrant Fleet has 17 million people. Read the damn codex.

And to say that quarian numbers were somewhere in the double digit billions region is common sense. It doesn't matter that we don't have their exact numbers. 

[dreman9999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

Do you know how AI works? The Geth can't be 'rebuilt.'

It's about as possible as the Quarian race being recreated.

Do you understand that AI are not easily rebuilt?

[Zardoc]

FaWa wrote...

Geth. Quarians have proven time and time again that they care about themselves more than the galaxy.

Given the fact that the galaxy never gave a damn about the quarians, who could blame them if that were actually true.

[Ryzaki]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

Do you know how AI works? The Geth can't be 'rebuilt.'

It's about as possible as the Quarian race being recreated.

This. IF they could be Destroy wouldn't be a flawed ending.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 04:24 .

[crazyaz]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

If you have a DNA sample, you can clone the Quarians. It works both ways.
If you commit genocide, on either species, it won't be the same.

Wait wait wait. Back up a sec. They have cloning _down_ in ME? WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE CLONE AN ARM- Wait...someone tried that in ME, and we blew up their base. AH WELL THEY COULD JUST TRY TO CREATE A SINGLE SOLDIER THAT'S GOO- wait...they tried that too! they had to give the collectors a BJ for it, and still took a crapton of tries... I'm starting to think that cloning technology is only available to reapers...

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Zardoc wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

They tried to stop a problem before it could become one. I don't see how their actions weren't justified.

It was already a problem. And they responded with violence. I don't see how that can be justified.
It was a mistake. Committing mistakes is human, but you're expected not to commit them again. And yet they attack Rannoch in ME3 with the goal of eradicating the Geth.

Have you ever stopped for just a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the quarians? Here is what they know: They have been driven to extinction by the geth, lost their homeworld to them and were forced to live on ships for 300 years. They have no idea that the geth are more than willing to given them their homeworld back and that they are peaceful. Every encounter they had with the geth was marked by hostility, from both sides. They need a homeworld to shelter their civilians in the coming Reaper War and had just found a way to efficiently combat the geth. Tell me anyone else wouldn't have done the same damn thing as the quarians under those circumstances.

And that justifies their attack how? They were confused, and they attacked the Geth. With the Reaper war looming in sight. How is that not idiotic? They jeopardized not only the lives of their own people, but they could have cost us the war.
I'm not arguing that the Quarians deserve to die on account of a stupid decision, I'm arguing that the Geth don't deserve to die on account of a stupid decision made by an opposing force.

[AxStapleton]

FaWa wrote...

Geth. Quarians have proven time and time again that they care about themselves more than the galaxy.

Just about every race does this. Humans, Asari, Salarians, Turians, Batarians, Krogan... even the Geth.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ryzaki wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Gethsemane always even with peace. Qoarians got their Darwin Award they were so thirsty for. Tali killing herself like a spineless wimp instead of trying to fight for her people was just icing.

Yeah, she could for example, shoot the Geth ships with her shotgun direcly from the planet. Or she could attempt to kill Legion and instantly be stopped by Shepard.

Infantry is useless when the conflict occurs in space. Tali doesn't do anything because she can't do anything.

Yeah it's not like Legion's uploading the code right next to her and killing him won't stop the code. Also Legion has enough spine to fight Tali and Shepard (he also loses and would've been fairly aware of his terrible odds but when the alternative is extinction of your race small odds are better than zero odds) why doesn't she for someone who values her people so highly she's sure quick to stand there and go QQ.

She could attempt to attack Legion. She'd get killed by Shepard sure but she could try there's always the chance that she'd succeed in killing Legion and saving her people.

She does everything to help her species. Saves the citadel from the Geth, does countless things to help the Quarians, even everyone says she's probably done the most from any Quarian to help her species out. But nothing matters because she didn't kill Legion because she respected Shepard's judgement enough?

[crazyaz]

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

Do you know how AI works? The Geth can't be 'rebuilt.'

It's about as possible as the Quarian race being recreated.

Do you understand that AI are not easily rebuilt?

THEY AREN'T AI!!! They can _become_ AI, but ATM, they are not AI!!! They were created by the quarries, and one would assume that the Quarries can rebuild them, but add in a few failsafes this time. 

[Ryzaki]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
She does everything to help her species. Saves the citadel from the Geth, does countless things to help the Quarians, even everyone says she's probably done the most from any Quarian to help her species out. But nothing matters because she didn't kill Legion because she respected Shepard's judgement enough?

When Shep's judgement has all her people killed by the Geth. Heck no I don't respect her standing there crying like a baby instead of trying to stop him. I hate nothing more than snivelling.

[crazyaz]

AxStapleton wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Geth. Quarians have proven time and time again that they care about themselves more than the galaxy.

Just about every race does this. Humans, Asari, Salarians, Turians, Batarians, Krogan... even the Geth.

They really are one of us!!!

[Someone With Mass]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

If you have a DNA sample, you can clone the Quarians. It works both ways.
If you commit genocide, on either species, it won't be the same.

I just love when people are saying that organics and synthetics are the same, even though it's clear as day that they're not and even the Mass Effect trilogy admits it on several occasions.

By the way, the quarians were there thousands of years before the geth and they have proven that they're smarter than the geth when it comes to technology (example: admiral Xen, who came up with plenty of gadgets for Shepard to counter the geth with and if she is with you on the geth dreadnought, she hacks the geth guards to make them dance for her and serve her refreshments) and they're more adaptive.

Sorry, but I don't need a geth that's worrying about its "soul". I need people who can figure out how the Crucible works and build it.

If I can get both, that's great, but if the choice was mandatory, I'd rather go with a safer bet and the ones who aren't constantly jumping in bed with the Reapers.

[Pitznik]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Vulsamee wrote...

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

They weren't indoctrinated. They worshipped the Reapers in ME1, out of their own will. Even Legion doesn't say they were indoctrinated, just they decided by themselves. I don't think synthetics even can be indoctrinated.

This is ridiculous. Synthetics can be indoctrinated by being rewritten, that's what happen with the heretics, they joined the Reapers in an attempt to survive.

Heretics weren't indoctrinated. Ever.  They wanted to forcibly reprogram the true Geth, yet they weren't reprogrammed themselves.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

Waiting for an answer to this.....

[Pitznik]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

He was too busy working out to have an opinion on the situation.

Oh, I did forget Jeff "Broker" Moreau though.

Liara "Broker" T'Soni might get jelly about it.

[dreman9999]

crazyaz wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

If you have a DNA sample, you can clone the Quarians. It works both ways.
If you commit genocide, on either species, it won't be the same.

Wait wait wait. Back up a sec. They have cloning _down_ in ME? WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE CLONE AN ARM- Wait...someone tried that in ME, and we blew up their base. AH WELL THEY COULD JUST TRY TO CREATE A SINGLE SOLDIER THAT'S GOO- wait...they tried that too! they had to give the collectors a BJ for it, and still took a crapton of tries... I'm starting to think that cloning technology is only available to reapers...

...Ofcourse they have cloning in ME. 
http://masseffect.wi...kliosaur_Fossil 
And wht your refuring to is not an experiment on cloning.

[legion999]

Geth.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
She does everything to help her species. Saves the citadel from the Geth, does countless things to help the Quarians, even everyone says she's probably done the most from any Quarian to help her species out. But nothing matters because she didn't kill Legion because she respected Shepard's judgement enough?

When Shep's judgement has all her people killed by the Geth. Heck no I don't respect her standing there crying like a baby instead of trying to stop him. I hate nothing more than snivelling.

But you can't accuse her of not caring for her species. And again, what did you expect her to do, she knows killing Shepard or Legion won't resolve anything, what's the point.

[Zardoc]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

They tried to stop a problem before it could become one. I don't see how their actions weren't justified.

It was already a problem. And they responded with violence. I don't see how that can be justified.
It was a mistake. Committing mistakes is human, but you're expected not to commit them again. And yet they attack Rannoch in ME3 with the goal of eradicating the Geth.

Have you ever stopped for just a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the quarians? Here is what they know: They have been driven to extinction by the geth, lost their homeworld to them and were forced to live on ships for 300 years. They have no idea that the geth are more than willing to given them their homeworld back and that they are peaceful. Every encounter they had with the geth was marked by hostility, from both sides. They need a homeworld to shelter their civilians in the coming Reaper War and had just found a way to efficiently combat the geth. Tell me anyone else wouldn't have done the same damn thing as the quarians under those circumstances.

And that justifies their attack how? They were confused, and they attacked the Geth. With the Reaper war looming in sight. How is that not idiotic? They jeopardized not only the lives of their own people, but they could have cost us the war.
I'm not arguing that the Quarians deserve to die on account of a stupid decision, I'm arguing that the Geth don't deserve to die on account of a stupid decision made by an opposing force.

It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

[Reorte]

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Do you know how AI works? The Geth can't be 'rebuilt.'

It's about as possible as the Quarian race being recreated.

Do you understand that AI are not easily rebuilt?

There's nothing about the geth at all that stops them from being rebuilt. The limitation on AIs is that they can't be copied so you won't get one with the same personality when using quantum thingammies. That's not relevent in this case; a rebuilt geth probably won't be exactly the same because they won't start with the same configuration, but they'll still be geth.

Wipe the quarians out, destroy all of their history, then clone them from some surviving DNA sample and you'll still have quarians, even though the resulting civilisation probably won't bear any resemblence to the previous one. The same is true for the geth, the only difference being that rebuilding lots of hardware is probably easier.

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...
When Shep's judgement has all her people killed by the Geth. Heck no I don't respect her standing there crying like a baby instead of trying to stop him. I hate nothing more than snivelling.

And I really hate such ignorance.

How would attacking Shepard improve anything if the battle is taking place in space several miles above her? She's just proving that she's way better at thinking ahead than all the other morons that have opposed Shepard and died over the years.