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[Chaotic-Fusion]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

If you have a DNA sample, you can clone the Quarians. It works both ways.
If you commit genocide, on either species, it won't be the same.

I just love when people are saying that organics and synthetics are the same, even though it's clear as day that they're not and even the Mass Effect trilogy admits it on several occasions.

By the way, the quarians were there thousands of years before the geth and they have proven that they're smarter than the geth when it comes to technology (example: admiral Xen, who came up with plenty of gadgets for Shepard to counter the geth with and if she is with you on the geth dreadnought, she hacks the geth guards to make them dance for her and serve her refreshments) and they're more adaptive.

Sorry, but I don't need a geth that's worrying about its "soul". I need people who can figure out how the Crucible works and build it.

If I can get both, that's great, but if the choice was mandatory, I'd rather go with a safer bet and the ones who aren't constantly jumping in bed with the Reapers.

If your argument amounts to saying that organic life is always better than synthetic life, then there's really nothing to discuss.
The Geth obliterate the Quarians in warfare. Obliterate. I'd say that's a safe bet. And I can assume their combined consciusness could do miracles with speeding up buidling the crucible. May I remind you that we, stupidly I know, are not trying to discover what the crucible does, or add some functions, we are trying to build it as fast as possible.

Modifié par Chaotic-Fusion, 05 août 2012 - 04:39 .

[AxStapleton]

crazyaz wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Geth. Quarians have proven time and time again that they care about themselves more than the galaxy.

Just about every race does this. Humans, Asari, Salarians, Turians, Batarians, Krogan... even the Geth.

They really are one of us!!!

Oh My God!

Modifié par AxStapleton, 05 août 2012 - 04:35 .

[k0xfilter]

It's a damn hard choice, because the Quarians Civilians aren't such ****s like the Admirals.
They and Tali don't deserve Death eighter.
So doesn't the Geth, but they want to upload a Reaper code and you never know if there is an .exe with a readme.txt that say's "Execute me to understand living creatures" and that transforms the Geth into Reaper slaves again.
Joke beside, instead of the .exe i meant some Code-Segment/Whatever.

By mistake i skipped the Geth Consensus Mission on my first playthrough
and i helped the Quarians because i didn't want to let the Quarian Civilians die
because their Admirals are retardet. I never said that im proud of this decision
or that i didn't cry when Legion asked the last time "Does this unit have a soul?"

I cried..

[dreman9999]

crazyaz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
But not if you wipe them out. Regeneration means nothing if you are killed completely.

If you have the schematics, they can be rebuilt.

I honestly don't care if the geth have/had "souls". They're still machines. Hell, they themselves admit that they're not that much different from VI programs, and we certainly don't treat them as if they had souls.

If they connect with each other, they'll become more, sure, but if they're alone, they'll have primitive thought patterns to the point where they can be a liability.

They had their chance to become something greater and they blew it away by just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and simply waited for something everyone and their mom saw coming.

If it gets any worse (and it did with the Reapers), I'd almost argue that they're too dumb to live.

Do you know how AI works? The Geth can't be 'rebuilt.'

It's about as possible as the Quarian race being recreated.

Do you understand that AI are not easily rebuilt?

THEY AREN'T AI!!! They can _become_ AI, but ATM, they are not AI!!! They were created by the quarries, and one would assume that the Quarries can rebuild them, but add in a few failsafes this time. 

If they are capable of abstract thought  they are AI. And the geth are capable of abstract thought.

[Baa Baa]

I'd pick the Quarians. I feel sympathy for the Geth and would feel like a dick killing either one, but I could never kill Tali and her people just because their leaders are douchebags.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
When Shep's judgement has all her people killed by the Geth. Heck no I don't respect her standing there crying like a baby instead of trying to stop him. I hate nothing more than snivelling.

And I really hate such ignorance.

How would attacking Shepard improve anything if the battle is taking place in space several miles above her? She's just proving that she's way better at thinking ahead than all the other morons that have opposed Shepard and died over the years.

And I really hate such pointless comments.

It could've improved something the Geth weren't able to take out her people until Legion uploaded the code. Taking out Legion could've saved her people no matter how slim the chance of her being successful. Standing there crying has no chance at all of saving her people. She who values her people so highly can't muster up enough backbone to attempt to stop their slaughter other than blubbering at Shepard? Pathetic. Spineless. Snivelling. I don't see how it's hard to understand.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 04:37 .

[dreman9999]

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Vulsamee wrote...

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

They weren't indoctrinated. They worshipped the Reapers in ME1, out of their own will. Even Legion doesn't say they were indoctrinated, just they decided by themselves. I don't think synthetics even can be indoctrinated.

This is ridiculous. Synthetics can be indoctrinated by being rewritten, that's what happen with the heretics, they joined the Reapers in an attempt to survive.

Heretics weren't indoctrinated. Ever.  They wanted to forcibly reprogram the true Geth, yet they weren't reprogrammed themselves.

They let themselve be rewritten, those indctrination.

Modifié par dreman9999, 05 août 2012 - 04:40 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

I'd imagine terrorists from organizations like Al-Qaeda think their doing the right thing too. That they're fighting "evil" in the name of the greater good. Guess what, they aren't justified. Neither are the Quarians.

Of course I'll go for peace when there's the chance, but when I have no choice, I'll choose the Geth. You're free to do the opposite.

[paul165]

Geth - mostly because they would be more military use against the Reapers - which you you rather have farm ships under the command of "Leroy Jenkins" Gerral or dreadnoughts commanded by the collective intelligence of an entire AI species?

That said if you want a moral reason for my choice the basic answer is the quarians started it.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Vulsamee wrote...

I don't consider the heretics in this mainly because they weren't considered "true Geth", but if you wanted to add them, they're basically indoctrinated-- would you also blame the Quarians if they were indoctrinated by the Reapers? It's the Reaper indoctrination affect, and not something of their own choice, which is why I leave out the heretics from ME1 and ME2.

They weren't indoctrinated. They worshipped the Reapers in ME1, out of their own will. Even Legion doesn't say they were indoctrinated, just they decided by themselves. I don't think synthetics even can be indoctrinated.

This is ridiculous. Synthetics can be indoctrinated by being rewritten, that's what happen with the heretics, they joined the Reapers in an attempt to survive.

Heretics weren't indoctrinated. Ever.  They wanted to forcibly reprogram the true Geth, yet they weren't reprogrammed themselves.

They let themselve be rewritten, thuse indctrination.

[dreman9999]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

Waiting for an answer to this.....

I did awnser this. The geht still were fighting in self defence and they let the quarians go. Added, we don't know if that number is from the quarians attacking the geth. You have to remeber, peace was never offered once by the quarians.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ryzaki wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
When Shep's judgement has all her people killed by the Geth. Heck no I don't respect her standing there crying like a baby instead of trying to stop him. I hate nothing more than snivelling.

And I really hate such ignorance.

How would attacking Shepard improve anything if the battle is taking place in space several miles above her? She's just proving that she's way better at thinking ahead than all the other morons that have opposed Shepard and died over the years.

And I really hate such pointless comments.

It could've improved something the Geth weren't able to take out her people until Legion uploaded the code. Taking out Legion could've saved her people no matter how slim the chance of her being successful. Standing there crying has no chance at all of saving her people. She who values her people so highly can't muster up enough backbone to attempt to stop their slaughter other than blubbering at Shepard? Pathetic. Spineless. Snivelling. I don't see how it's hard to understand.

You assume she doesn't do anything because of cowardness, Something she has proven to be everything must.

[hoodaticus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Just because something asks if it has a soul doesn't mean it has one.

That makes about as much sense as if I asked if I have telekinesis and then I have it.

I can write a program that will ask you if it has a soul in one hour.  Given the rest of the day, I could have it guess whether you audibly answered in the affirmative or not.

I agree with you - such a thing would not have a soul - no matter how fancy I made it.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 05 août 2012 - 04:44 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

The Geth shall live!

"Does this unit have a soul?"

Yes it does, and certain Quarians have no right to try to destroy it.Hell, even if the Geth were just bigger toasters, going out of your way to destroy all those toasters is still senseless.

Modifié par ChickenDownUnder, 05 août 2012 - 04:43 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Ryzaki wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
When Shep's judgement has all her people killed by the Geth. Heck no I don't respect her standing there crying like a baby instead of trying to stop him. I hate nothing more than snivelling.

And I really hate such ignorance.

How would attacking Shepard improve anything if the battle is taking place in space several miles above her? She's just proving that she's way better at thinking ahead than all the other morons that have opposed Shepard and died over the years.

And I really hate such pointless comments.

It could've improved something the Geth weren't able to take out her people until Legion uploaded the code. Taking out Legion could've saved her people no matter how slim the chance of her being successful. Standing there crying has no chance at all of saving her people. She who values her people so highly can't muster up enough backbone to attempt to stop their slaughter other than blubbering at Shepard? Pathetic. Spineless. Snivelling. I don't see how it's hard to understand.

Only two people are man enough to stand up to Shepard. Mordin and Wrex.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 05 août 2012 - 04:41 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

Waiting for an answer to this.....

I did awnser this. The geht still were fighting in self defence and they let the quarians go. Added, we don't know if that number is from the quarians attacking the geth. You have to remeber, peace was never offered once by the quarians.

The point still stands, they wiped out a huge chunk of the Quarian population, almost all.

[Ryzaki]

Eh I side with the Geth and admit they went overkill on the Quarians.

Then again IMO Geth were operating on basic self preservation instincts. Since the Quarians were trying to kill them all they decided to get in the first blow.

They didn't reign it in until the Quarians started fleeing. Would've saved them a lot of trouble had they simply finished the Quarians off.

[Someone With Mass]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...
if your argument amounts to saying that organic life is always better than synthetic life, then there's really nothing to discuss.
The Geth obliterate the Quarians in warfare. Obliterate. I'd say that's a say bet. And I can assume their combined consciusness could do miracles with speeding up buidling the crucible. May I remind you that we, stupidly I know, are not trying to discover what the crucible does, or add some functions, we are trying to build it as fast as possible.

That's funny, because it's the quarians that are wiping out the geth if you side with them after they destroyed the geth's glaring weakness, the Dyson bubble. The fact that they were able to get within the same star system while using a scambling program as well as the point where the Normandy constantly gets past the geth defenses just proves how worthless the geth are at adapting.

[Zardoc]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

I'd imagine terrorists from organizations like Al-Qaeda think their doing the right thing too. That they're fighting "evil" in the name of the greater good. Guess what, they aren't justified. Neither are the Quarians.

Of course I'll go for peace when there's the chance, but when I have no choice, I'll choose the Geth. You're free to do the opposite.

Everyone in the galaxy sans Tali and Shepard would think the quarians are doing the right thing (if it wasn't for the Reaper War anyway). With what they know, their actions are justified and excuseable.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

Waiting for an answer to this.....

I did awnser this. The geht still were fighting in self defence and they let the quarians go. Added, we don't know if that number is from the quarians attacking the geth. You have to remeber, peace was never offered once by the quarians.

The point still stands, they wiped out a huge chunk of the Quarian population, almost all.

Can we atleast agree that the Quarians back then aren't the same Quarians that are now?

The Quarians back then were indiscriminately killing Geth.

[Ryzaki]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Only two people are man enough to stand up to Shepard. Mordin and Wrex.

well Legion stands up to Shepard as well. And the VS (even if it was on a complete idiotic topic).

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You assume she doesn't do anything because of cowardness, Something she has proven to be everything must.

Oh? So what reasoning is there for standing and doing nothing but crying as Shepand the Geth decide to protect the Geth the Quarians have to die and then jumping off a cliff rather than face the results of her inaction?

If she'd attacked SHepard and Shep put her down I'd like the scene as it is now I just roll my eyes at her "OMG MY PEOPLE! I'll stand here and watch Legion upload the code that'll kill them and then take off my facemask dramatically and jump off the cliff!" Ugh.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 04:46 .

[dreman9999]

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

Are you kidding me? The geth never want to attack the quarians. The geth even offered peace with the quarians.
Gerrel  would of had his safe haven with ease if he just tried for peace with the geth. The quarian tried to kill the geth agein? This is not a darwin award to do this?

[hoodaticus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Only two people are man enough to stand up to Shepard. Mordin and Wrex.

well Legion stands up to Shepard as well. And the VS (even if it was on a complete idiotic topic).

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You assume she doesn't do anything because of cowardness, Something she has proven to be everything must.

Oh? So
what reasoning is there for standing and doing nothing but crying as Shepand the Geth decide to protect the Geth the Quarians have to die  and then jumping off a  cliff rather than face the results of her
inaction? 

Love and being emotionally overwhelmed by betrayal.

[Zardoc]

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Source please? other wise...BS.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War
The geth emerged victorious, costing the quarians billions of lives and the complete loss of their economy and way of life.

Let's say that the quarians had about 10 billion, because they had plenty of colonies and such. What's 17 million out of that?

The number you just stated is a baseless assumption. I can agree billions of lives were lost but we have no real concet number of pesentage to us to say how much. Any number stated with out real spacifics give not fact.
So...The codex saying  billions of lives does not equal 17-10 billion.

They went from like 15 billion during the war, so like 15 millions during the events of ME3. It's not an assumption.

Were is it stated that they have 15 million?

Maybe not exactly 15 million, but around the 17-20 million range.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

"A flotilla of 50,000 craft holding over 17 million quarians"

The only logical reason why the population would drop from 15 billion to 17-20 million would be because of the war, you don't need a source to make that connection.

Waiting for an answer to this.....

I did awnser this. The geht still were fighting in self defence and they let the quarians go. Added, we don't know if that number is from the quarians attacking the geth. You have to remeber, peace was never offered once by the quarians.

At some point it stopped being self defense and became full blown genocide. And you don't know whether or not the quarians offered peace. Nor whether or not the geth offered it, either.

[dreman9999]

Zardoc wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Zordac wrote...
It is justified because they believe they are attacking "evil" machines that wronged them deeply and with whom peace is impossible. From everyone's but Shepard's and Tali's point of view, anyway, for those two know better. And they attacked the geth because of the Reaper threat. As Gerrel said in ME2, they need a safe haven for their civilians.

And I'm not saying the geth deserve to die. But neither do the quarians. Both made stupid decisions and both deserve some peace.

I'd imagine terrorists from organizations like Al-Qaeda think their doing the right thing too. That they're fighting "evil" in the name of the greater good. Guess what, they aren't justified. Neither are the Quarians.

Of course I'll go for peace when there's the chance, but when I have no choice, I'll choose the Geth. You're free to do the opposite.

Everyone in the galaxy sans Tali and Shepard would think the quarians are doing the right thing (if it wasn't for the Reaper War anyway). With what they know, their actions are justified and excuseable.

Wait a sec? That is not true at all. If fact the quarians were told by the council not to go to war with the geth.