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[GGW KillerTiger]

You mean you don't like the scopeless sniper rifle that weighs as much as an alliance frigate?

Well I don't blame you .... I asked this same question before and got a lot of hate on it ...

[Ashen One]

Ziegrif wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

I wanna see you one shot a Ravager with a Crusader. Or 2 shot a brute. Or one shot a Marauder on Gold with a body shot. Or a Centurion. 

Thought so. 

I wanna see you snipe enemies from across the map with a Claymore, on Firebase Hydra. Or OSK enemies with headshots from the Balcony to the enemy spawn on Firebase London. Or OSK anything farther than 40 meters away without the mandatory smart choke, high caliber barrel, AP ammo III, and Tactical Cloak/Hunter Mode/Devastator Mode with accuracy bonuses

Thought so.

People. Were comparing a Shotgun and a sniper rifle here.
Can we please burn the strawmen and actually be on the same plane of excistence while we argue?

Crusader is on the shotgun tab but behaves like a sniper rifle.
Compare it to the same kind of odd duck I.E the Saber.

My thoughts exactly.

[The Wayward Vagabond]

It really needs a buff or something. Hurricane got one and it's amazing now, so did the Eagle and it's decent at least.

Promotional Weapons should kick ass.

[Ziegrif]

Airscale wrote...

I never use a smart choke on it and I find it vastly superior to any other shotgun in the game...

Don't knock it if you can't/don't use it.

I used smart choke thanks to the Crusaders Innate shredder. Also I need it to aim better. The feeling of dropping a Geth hunters Shields with 1 shot from the sniper nests feels GLORIOUS, killing it with the next headshot feels like insulting its ancestry.

Also I share your sentiment of: Don't knock it if you can't/don't use it.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 05 août 2012 - 08:19 .

[IllusiveManJr]

I wasn't a fan of the Crusader X in single-player and even less so with my Crusader III in multi. I could see how some people could enjoy using it. But I'd rather use my Saber if I'm going to use a weapon pretending to be a sniper rifle.

[LegionofRannoch]

N7 Destroyer. its a fun gun to use if you want something different to do. works good on cerberus and reapers, it could work on geth but theres just so many of them that most of the time youll be using your secondary weapon.

[Mandalore313]

Airscale wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Because you're a masochist or one of those super annoying self appointed gimped gun crusaders.

THAAAAAAAT'S ME!!

Air Quotes wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Well I do like it for it's accuracy and headshot capabilities.
It takes a damn full capacity of ammo to demolish a gold Atlas at lv 3.
But I still like it though.
Nice to have a scopeless Sniper rifle... err shotgun other than the Saber I mean.

Yeah. It's good for ****s and giggles on silver. That's about it,

Giggles on silver indeed.



It's fun I prefer it over others thanks to the superb headshots.
And again it's my masochistic prefrence to use it.
I like it and can use it.
It can perform better than a Claymore in the right hands.

If we want it to be better. Make it ignore shield gate and Increase it's headshot damage some more. It could be lighter but works on Krogan and it seems to kill Geth allright.

Dude.
You used smart choke on the crusader.
Your opinion is invalid.

The weapon is inferior to most of the gold tier shotguns, ergo it sucks.
Period.

I never use a smart choke on it and I find it vastly superior to any other shotgun in the game...

Don't knock it if you can't/don't use it.

I was talking to ziegrif.
But if you can outscore me when I'm using claymore or piranha or graal or reegar or gps then you can say crap like "if you can't then don't use it"

Now go back to bronze/silver where it can actually kill stuff.

[Airscale]

Zero132132 wrote...

To be fair, there's basically no damned reason to use the Crusader if you have other weapons. There are just better long-range weapons and better shotguns. The damage is too low and the recoil is too high. It may not be horrible, but it's definitely not an optimal choice.

...in your opinion for how you play the game.

Oh, and it's also nice on the demolisher!

[Airscale]

Mandalore313 wrote...

Airscale wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Because you're a masochist or one of those super annoying self appointed gimped gun crusaders.

THAAAAAAAT'S ME!!

Air Quotes wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Well I do like it for it's accuracy and headshot capabilities.
It takes a damn full capacity of ammo to demolish a gold Atlas at lv 3.
But I still like it though.
Nice to have a scopeless Sniper rifle... err shotgun other than the Saber I mean.

Yeah. It's good for ****s and giggles on silver. That's about it,

Giggles on silver indeed.



It's fun I prefer it over others thanks to the superb headshots.
And again it's my masochistic prefrence to use it.
I like it and can use it.
It can perform better than a Claymore in the right hands.

If we want it to be better. Make it ignore shield gate and Increase it's headshot damage some more. It could be lighter but works on Krogan and it seems to kill Geth allright.

Dude.
You used smart choke on the crusader.
Your opinion is invalid.

The weapon is inferior to most of the gold tier shotguns, ergo it sucks.
Period.

I never use a smart choke on it and I find it vastly superior to any other shotgun in the game...

Don't knock it if you can't/don't use it.

I was talking to ziegrif.
But if you can outscore me when I'm using claymore or piranha or graal or reegar or gps then you can say crap like "if you can't then don't use it"

Now go back to bronze/silver where it can actually kill stuff.

LOL! Then you should have private messaged him if it was a private conversation... you do realize that you're posting in a forum

Oh, and I use it on Gold and Platinum and it kills stuff just fine for me... can't say I actually play much bronze or silver in general, though. Now be a big boy and realize I'm not insulting you, obviously it's not a gun for you. No harm in that. Just accept that and go play with something else you do like and leave the crusader to those who love it, love using it, and can do so effectively.

[Yosuke]

I see the crusader as a poor man's saber.

[Ashen One]

Airscale wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

To be fair, there's basically no damned reason to use the Crusader if you have other weapons. There are just better long-range weapons and better shotguns. The damage is too low and the recoil is too high. It may not be horrible, but it's definitely not an optimal choice.

...in your opinion for how you play the game.

Oh, and it's also nice on the demolisher!

So is the Saber.

except the Saber does more DPS unless you have a Crusader V or higher, has a larger clip, (which means you'll be killing more enemies before reloading) weighs much less, and has much more spare ammo.

Why would I use a Crusader when I could dual wield a Saber and Scorpion/Talon at the same encumbrance penalty?

[Ziegrif]

Mandalore313 wrote...

Airscale wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Because you're a masochist or one of those super annoying self appointed gimped gun crusaders.

THAAAAAAAT'S ME!!

Air Quotes wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Well I do like it for it's accuracy and headshot capabilities.
It takes a damn full capacity of ammo to demolish a gold Atlas at lv 3.
But I still like it though.
Nice to have a scopeless Sniper rifle... err shotgun other than the Saber I mean.

Yeah. It's good for ****s and giggles on silver. That's about it,

Giggles on silver indeed.



It's fun I prefer it over others thanks to the superb headshots.
And again it's my masochistic prefrence to use it.
I like it and can use it.
It can perform better than a Claymore in the right hands.

If we want it to be better. Make it ignore shield gate and Increase it's headshot damage some more. It could be lighter but works on Krogan and it seems to kill Geth allright.

Dude.
You used smart choke on the crusader.
Your opinion is invalid.

The weapon is inferior to most of the gold tier shotguns, ergo it sucks.
Period.

I never use a smart choke on it and I find it vastly superior to any other shotgun in the game...

Don't knock it if you can't/don't use it.

I was talking to ziegrif.
But if you can outscore me when I'm using claymore or piranha or graal or reegar or gps then you can say crap like "if you can't then don't use it"

Now go back to bronze/silver where it can actually kill stuff.

Tell me. How does using a smart choke on a gun make my opinion inferior? Would it be like me using an enhanced scope on a Kishock?
I'll admit Mandalore we are on a different plane while we play.
But the gun already has innate piercing so why add to that other than faster prime killing.
I used the Crusader like a Sniper rifle.
I used it like I preffered to use it, how I like it.
Are you telling me how I play is wrong because yours is right?

I know from your posts that you're better than that as a person and you insulted someone for something so petty as my E-Peen score.

It can't do speed runs like you want it to, but not everything should. That'd just be boring.
If you're serious Mandalore you have some growing up to do as a person.

[Xhitaa]

Nerf it!!! It's OP!

[Ashen One]

Ziegrif wrote...

Tell me. How does using a smart choke on a gun make my opinion inferior? Would it be like me using an enhanced scope on a Kishock?

Not even close.

The enhanced scope allows you to see through smoke, and increases the Kishock's accuracy... while it's true that you would use the mod only because it cannot benefit from the AP mod, it actually enables the gun to do something it wouldn't be able to do before.

The Crusader on the other hand already has pinpoint accuracy. Spare ammo mod, melee mod, and high caliber barrel are all better choices.

[Airscale]

Double post... :innocent:

Modifié par Airscale, 05 août 2012 - 08:41 .

[Ziegrif]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Tell me. How does using a smart choke on a gun make my opinion inferior? Would it be like me using an enhanced scope on a Kishock?

Not even close.

The enhanced scope allows you to see through smoke, and increases the Kishock's accuracy... while it's true that you would use the mod only because it cannot benefit from the AP mod, it actually enables the gun to do something it wouldn't be able to do before.

The Crusader on the other hand already has pinpoint accuracy. Spare ammo mod, melee mod, and high caliber barrel are all better choices.

Allright thx for the tip. I'll admit that I don't know everything this game has in mods. So I wasn't even using the gun to it's full potential and still got 160k on score.
I go with my gut feeling when I play and pretty much ignore all numbers.
Hasn't failed me yet but stuff like me using a smart choke on something that doesn't need it happens all the time really.
Still not reason enough for Mandalore to start insulting people.

[LadyAlekto]

Heres a good reason to use the crusader ever.... it is not a wraith (just tried it once again, still the mostuseless gun in my armory,,, excessive minrefire is a deathsentence to this gun as much as the weight to the crusader, at least the crusader does kill mooks)

[Airscale]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Airscale wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

To be fair, there's basically no damned reason to use the Crusader if you have other weapons. There are just better long-range weapons and better shotguns. The damage is too low and the recoil is too high. It may not be horrible, but it's definitely not an optimal choice.

...in your opinion for how you play the game.

Oh, and it's also nice on the demolisher!

So is the Saber.

except the Saber does more DPS unless you have a Crusader V or higher, has a larger clip, (which means you'll be killing more enemies before reloading) weighs much less, and has much more spare ammo.

Why would I use a Crusader when I could dual wield a Saber and Scorpion/Talon at the same encumbrance penalty?

I don't care for the saber... it's not a bad gun, though. I just like the feel with the Crusader... it's got that punch to it that I just can't get out of most other weapons. To examine the rest of your argument, though... why would I equip a scorp/talon when I can use a harrier/typhoon as my secondary weapon since I'm only going to use the crusader on my heavier charcters anyway?

Oh and for the record... yes, I have a Crusader V, though I have been using it since it was a wee I.

Modifié par Airscale, 05 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[Ashen One]

Crusader does about 100 more damage per shot (same RoF) at rank X, but weighs 30% more, and has half the clip size.

So the question for me is, do I want an extra 100 damage per shot (which isn't really enough to make a difference in the number of shots required to kill an enemy anyway) or do I want to bring my Scorpion along as well to carpet bomb spawn points in addition to sniping enemies long range as I could with a Crusader.

Consider that it would be a long time before anyone gets a level X Crusader, and it's not hard to see why people think this gun needs a buff.

[Zero132132]

Airscale wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

To be fair, there's basically no damned reason to use the Crusader if you have other weapons. There are just better long-range weapons and better shotguns. The damage is too low and the recoil is too high. It may not be horrible, but it's definitely not an optimal choice.

...in your opinion for how you play the game.

Oh, and it's also nice on the demolisher!

Not saying it wouldn't be funner for some, but is it genuinely your opinion that there aren't better ranged weapons or better shotguns?

Modifié par Zero132132, 05 août 2012 - 08:41 .

[Airscale]

Zero132132 wrote...

Airscale wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

To be fair, there's basically no damned reason to use the Crusader if you have other weapons. There are just better long-range weapons and better shotguns. The damage is too low and the recoil is too high. It may not be horrible, but it's definitely not an optimal choice.

...in your opinion for how you play the game.

Oh, and it's also nice on the demolisher!

Not saying it wouldn't be funner for some, but is it genuinely your opinion that there aren't better ranged weapons or better shotguns?

I didn't say there weren't better ranged weapons (I love the widows and the Valiant for range)... but as far as shotguns go... it's my go to. The Saber is nice, but it doesn't have the same feel... for my playing style I'm far more effective with the crusader... the saber feels to sluggish to me by comparison... but that's just me. I want that extra punch only the Crusader can bring!

Modifié par Airscale, 05 août 2012 - 08:47 .

[RohanSpartan]

Are you guys High!? I use the Crusader and It's boss. If I had It at Lv. X, I'd almost never change it for another boomstick. I use it on an N7 Demolisher and it is effective.

[Ziegrif]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Crusader does about 100 more damage per shot (same RoF) at rank X, but weighs 30% more, and has half the clip size.

So the question for me is, do I want an extra 100 damage per shot (which isn't really enough to make a difference in the number of shots required to kill an enemy anyway) or do I want to bring my Scorpion along as well to carpet bomb spawn points in addition to sniping enemies long range as I could with a Crusader.

Consider that it would be a long time before anyone gets a level X Crusader, and it's not hard to see why people think this gun needs a buff.

It'll depend on what class you use.
If you use a Geth infiltrator then I'd use Crusader.
The 100 damage even if it is miniscule would be buffed by the geths innate weapon handling and HM.
But, the Saber is superior for one reason.
You can actually get a Saber X in a reasonable time. Crusader X... not so much~

[Ashen One]

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

Heres a good reason to use the crusader ever.... it is not a wraith (just tried it once again, still the mostuseless gun in my armory,,, excessive minrefire is a deathsentence to this gun as much as the weight to the crusader, at least the crusader does kill mooks)

The Wraith is vastly underrated as a lightweight shotgun. I mean, it weighs as much as a Katana and does as much damage with one shot as a Widow.

It has one of the highest damage to weight ratios in the game, and until the Piranha came along was probably the best shotgun in the game. Certainly the best lightweight shotgun in the game. You're doing it wrong.

Airscale wrote...
examine the rest of your argument, though...
why would I equip a scorp/talon when I can use a harrier/typhoon as my
secondary weapon since I'm only going to use the crusader on my heavier
charcters anyway?

If you're only going to be using a Crusader on heavier characters, that's just one more advantage the Saber has over it. A Saber is light enough when leveled to be practical on power classes like Turian Sentinels, Geth Engineers, N7 Paladins, ect...

I could dual wield a Saber/Scorpion on a Human Soldier, and have an AR recharge speed somewhere around 3.5 seconds. In addition to sniping enemies like you can with a Crusader, I could annihilate spawns with the Scorpion and AR instant reload. I'd gladly sacrifice the extra 100 damage per shot for added utility.