DylanBar wrote...
I hit 50 psps with 0 urs the other day, now i'm going to hoard every credit i get. not wasting credits and certainly not real money on junk...
It starts happening after unlocking all the gold character cards I believe.FullMetalArthur wrote...
Wow, that's what I call Love for the Game. But nice doing.
Anyhow, how you get lv IV ammo? Does that happen when you lv up all gold weapons and mods?
smilinpig wrote...
Its a completely greed based system....they will never change it. Knowing we 'desire' the UR's they make it near impossible to get them even after hours and hours of playing.... they WANT us to spend CASH on M$ points, it's that simple. they will never make desirable items easy to get.artificial-ignorance wrote...
smashthings wrote...
I find it really interesting that the main source of income for MP is people buying packs, but at the moment the communty is generally fustrated by the packs (ergo, wont buy them)
so I guess Bioware should do one of several things:
1) explain clearly to the community how the RNG works, and telling us what packs are best to buy when we want XorY stuff. (for uncommon gear, anyone tried spamming vet packs, for example?)
2) increase the chances of droping ultra rares/gear once rares are maxed.
3) Bring out new packs with less randomness. Eg. weapons packs, character packs, Ultra rare packs etc. make them High in credits but low in MS points then maybe Bioware can find a balence between income and developing a fair playing field.
I like these options. Number 3 especially seems like a particularly good idea for Bioware. I would be down for a pack costing 1 million credits if its guaranteed an UR.
the real shame is 2 weeks to Borderlands 2 and I expect a big portion of the community to disappear or be much less visible in MP....they've had a great opportunity to grant us the UR's the past month and failed miserably. Much as I like the game I hate the store passionately and cannot wait to kiss its greedy filthy B$ *ss goodbye in 2 weeks. I may play occasionally but the days of 10 plus hours are going to be long gone. I will however harbor long standing hate towards that store for not granting me a friggen harrier.
metaempiricist wrote...
So what I'm seeing here in your records is that there is NOT an actual increase to UR rate with premium packs but rather only a negligible chance after the 10% to get another UR? (I've only gotten two URs at once one time)
Seeing that makes it clear to me that regular spectre packs are by far the superior choice being 40% cheaper and having the same rate of UR drop. I'd rather not pay an extra 40,000 for level 4 ammo
Modifié par artificial-ignorance, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:07 .
Modifié par Drummernate, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:10 .
metaempiricist wrote...
It starts happening after unlocking all the gold character cards I believe.FullMetalArthur wrote...
Wow, that's what I call Love for the Game. But nice doing.
Anyhow, how you get lv IV ammo? Does that happen when you lv up all gold weapons and mods?
Drummernate wrote...
Spent another 500,000 and got 3 new Ultra-Rares.... ones that I will never use.
23,500,000
8 Ultra-Rares.
That's 2,937,500 between each on average.
Modifié par FreaperFTW, 04 septembre 2012 - 01:02 .
Oh I see, well then to me that means the you are paying an extra 66% for another 1.9% chance for an ultra rare? That is not a worthy trade off.artificial-ignorance wrote...
This is incorrect. The drop rate listed for PSPs is per rare card, so comparing SP UR drop rate to rare card PSP drop rate is not relevant. I will remedy this in the OP by posting the per PSP drop rates. Sorry for the confusion.
With my current stats, Per PSP:
10 URs/122 PSPs = 8.2%
LvL4 Consumables = 100% - 8.2% = 91.8%
So (so far) the conclusion is that there IS a higher chance in PSPs to get URs (8.2% chance per PSP and 6.3% chance per SP)... However whether it is significant or not is not yet known as the sample size is still too small.
Modifié par smashthings, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:11 .
If we take what the OP said about 10 URs in 122 PSPs than there is a difference of 1.9% between the 8.2% of PSP and the 6.2% of the SP so with the PSP you would have a 73.8% and with SP a 93% chance so the choice is clear..assuming the original percentages are typical or close to itB)smashthings wrote...
The real calculation that needs to be made is what pack is better on a per credit basis.
So, a quick bit of math reveals:
60x15 = 900
99x09 = 891
...which means that there is an aproximate ratio of 15/9 (15 SP for every 9 PSP) ...so the real question is this: what yeilds a better drop rate; 15 SP or 9PSP's ??
artificial-ignorance wrote...
Drummernate wrote...
Spent another 500,000 and got 3 new Ultra-Rares.... ones that I will never use.
23,500,000
8 Ultra-Rares.
That's 2,937,500 between each on average.
500K for 3 URs is great, but overall ouch... thats rough.
I have an average credits per UR of 1,207,800 so far.
Lemme guess what the useless URs were: wraith, javelin and paladin? those are my least favourites.
Modifié par Drummernate, 04 septembre 2012 - 01:35 .
Modifié par metaempiricist, 04 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .
metaempiricist wrote...
haha whilst doing my calculations you did some of your own Smashing things and I see you came up with almost the same numbers...fancy that math in real life situations my teachers always said I would need to crunch numbers for some arbitrary mechanic in a video game to make sense to me and boy were they right!
Drummernate wrote...
artificial-ignorance wrote...
Drummernate wrote...
Spent another 500,000 and got 3 new Ultra-Rares.... ones that I will never use.
23,500,000
8 Ultra-Rares.
That's 2,937,500 between each on average.
500K for 3 URs is great, but overall ouch... thats rough.
I have an average credits per UR of 1,207,800 so far.
Lemme guess what the useless URs were: wraith, javelin and paladin? those are my least favourites.
Very close...
It was Wraith, Scorpion, Paladin.
I actually love the Javelin.
I honestly think there is a certain time of day where you will have a really high chance of Ultra-Rares.
Every time I get an Ultra-Rare it is usually accompanied by at least one more. IF I buy them in the same hour of the day.
Some days it is 6PM, other days it is 8PM, etc.
But every pack I bought between 8PM and 9PM had an Ultra-Rare that day.
I know. I wish there were listed number value for things like that. Also for the damage on weapons instead of the bar just give us a number or overlay one on the damage bar in the weapons menu...39,000 is 66% of 60,000smashthings wrote...
metaempiricist wrote...
haha whilst doing my calculations you did some of your own Smashing things and I see you came up with almost the same numbers...fancy that math in real life situations my teachers always said I would need to crunch numbers for some arbitrary mechanic in a video game to make sense to me and boy were they right!
I have edited my post since then.
it strike me that there are two equally valid ways of think about the problem; and since is takes lots of packs to notice the difference (15+9) then it will take a lot more of them to work out exactly what method Bioware uses. All I'm confident in saying is that PSP's are ethier 33% too expensive or 33% cheaper. Making a purposive assumption, I'm thinking that PSP's will offer better drops on a per credit basis, we just need the 'per rare slot' drop number and then we could work it out.
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