Link Ashland 614 wrote...
Haters are pathetic. I can understand your views, beliefs, tastes, opinions, etc.
But just don't show them like this, be a better person. For crying out loud.
F4H bandicoot wrote...
obZen DF wrote...
MegaSovereign is right. Don't ruin the only positive thread on BSN.
You obviously missed the last party, People who used to hate each other over the ending arguaments actually started to like each other. Thats poitive too.
And a party has to flow Sovereign, you cannot just start a new thread, it has to start from a discussion
Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Link Ashland 614 wrote...
Haters are pathetic. I can understand your views, beliefs, tastes, opinions, etc.
But just don't show them like this, be a better person. For crying out loud.
It's not haters actually. It's just people that are sick of negativity on BSN. Some hate the ending, some like it.
Modifié par maaaze, 06 août 2012 - 11:39 .
BrookerT wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some bs up for me to knock downestebanus wrote...
Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.MerchantGOL wrote...
yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.estebanus wrote...
Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.MerchantGOL wrote...
i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon
Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.
i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe
RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.
How is Synthesis removing diversity?
if this were true Joker wouldn't still be sickSeival wrote...
BrookerT wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some bs up for me to knock downestebanus wrote...
Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.MerchantGOL wrote...
yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.estebanus wrote...
Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.MerchantGOL wrote...
i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon
Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.
i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe
RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.
How is Synthesis removing diversity?
I think Synthesis indeed removes diversity. Not in terms of appearance of course, but in terms of DNA.
Modifié par MerchantGOL, 07 août 2012 - 12:03 .
Seival wrote...
BrookerT wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some bs up for me to knock downestebanus wrote...
Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.MerchantGOL wrote...
yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.estebanus wrote...
Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.MerchantGOL wrote...
i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon
Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.
i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe
RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.
How is Synthesis removing diversity?
I think Synthesis indeed removes diversity. Not in terms of appearance of course, but in terms of DNA. This has both advantages and disadvantages:
Advantages. Everyone can eat the same food, drink the same water, breath the same air, and use the same medicine.
Disadvantages. All previous DNAs properties are gone, and some of that properties were advantages. For example, before Synthesis all races had their own deseases which can't affect other races. But after Synthesis deseases will be the same for everyone. If a salarian became ill, he can easily infect human etc. Also, some unique race abilities might be lost forever. For example, Rachni unique communication abilities, Krogan birth rate, and Turian's natural resistance to radiation will not exist anymore.
MerchantGOL wrote...
if this were true Joker wouldn't still be sickSeival wrote...
BrookerT wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some bs up for me to knock downestebanus wrote...
Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.MerchantGOL wrote...
yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.estebanus wrote...
Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.MerchantGOL wrote...
i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon
Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.
i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe
RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.
How is Synthesis removing diversity?
I think Synthesis indeed removes diversity. Not in terms of appearance of course, but in terms of DNA.
but i don't see how it would work like that if his dNA is all perfect then it should fix the bonesSeival wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
if this were true Joker wouldn't still be sickSeival wrote...
BrookerT wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some bs up for me to knock downestebanus wrote...
Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.MerchantGOL wrote...
yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.estebanus wrote...
Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.MerchantGOL wrote...
i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon
Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.
i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe
RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.
How is Synthesis removing diversity?
I think Synthesis indeed removes diversity. Not in terms of appearance of course, but in terms of DNA.
Joker has rare bone desease, which caused inapropriate bone development during his growth, and left mechanical defects when Joker finally grew up. In case of Synthesis desease itself has gone, but mechanical defects remained. And this even Synthesis can't fix. Joker needs prothesis to fix his legs completely... This is how I see it.
maaaze wrote...
Seival wrote...
BrookerT wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some bs up for me to knock downestebanus wrote...
Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.MerchantGOL wrote...
yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.estebanus wrote...
Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.MerchantGOL wrote...
i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon
Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.
i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe
RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.
How is Synthesis removing diversity?
I think Synthesis indeed removes diversity. Not in terms of appearance of course, but in terms of DNA. This has both advantages and disadvantages:
Advantages. Everyone can eat the same food, drink the same water, breath the same air, and use the same medicine.
Disadvantages. All previous DNAs properties are gone, and some of that properties were advantages. For example, before Synthesis all races had their own deseases which can't affect other races. But after Synthesis deseases will be the same for everyone. If a salarian became ill, he can easily infect human etc. Also, some unique race abilities might be lost forever. For example, Rachni unique communication abilities, Krogan birth rate, and Turian's natural resistance to radiation will not exist anymore.
Why should these unqiue traits disappear...? As I understood it every species now has a common ground, a way to communicate and share knowlege...
i still believe there is diversity...other than cosmetic...
Asari are still more likly to be biotic than Humans...Krogans are still stronger and can survive longer than other species...
Synthesis does not mean everybody is now a superman...it means that there is a new way to communicate and understand each other...the way to perfection is now open to everybody...but they still have to take that route...
What constitutes perfection is up for everbodys interpretation in the Mass Effect universe.
MerchantGOL wrote...
Seival wrote...
Joker has rare bone desease, which caused inapropriate bone development during his growth, and left mechanical defects when Joker finally grew up. In case of Synthesis desease itself has gone, but mechanical defects remained. And this even Synthesis can't fix. Joker needs prothesis to fix his legs completely... This is how I see it.
but i don't see how it would work like that if his dNA is all perfect then it should fix the bones
like captain america
Modifié par CINCTuchanka, 07 août 2012 - 12:41 .
but isn't jokers disease a celular one?Seival wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
Seival wrote...
Joker has rare bone desease, which caused inapropriate bone development during his growth, and left mechanical defects when Joker finally grew up. In case of Synthesis desease itself has gone, but mechanical defects remained. And this even Synthesis can't fix. Joker needs prothesis to fix his legs completely... This is how I see it.
but i don't see how it would work like that if his dNA is all perfect then it should fix the bones
like captain america
I think that new DNA means new molecular structure, but not new form. All races keep their appearance, and each particular creature keeps it's own defects. If someone has lost an eye during the battle, then new eye will not grow up itself. The same for inborn bone mechanical defects.
CINCTuchanka wrote...
You know what? There are things I like about the Original Cut AND the Extended Cut, so hear me out on this. I think NEITHER are perfect, mind you, but I would like to explain why I think the endings work.
First, I want to explain what Pros and Cons of the Original Cut:
Con: It crushed my soul
Pro: It crushed my soul
Confused? You should be! Now let me explain.
Long story short I thought the Catalyst was great BECAUSE it was so unexpected. So many choices in the Mass Effect trilogy were a matter of pushing right up for Paragon or right down for Renegade. Don't get me wrong, the story was thrilling and I often was on the edge of my seat to see the results of my actions, but the choices were rarely that difficult.
The end choice was completely unexpected. And you know what? As flawed and poorly executed as it was, at least it was unexpected.
Games too frequently have the I-WIN button at the end that kills all the bad guys and ONLY the bad guys (SPOILERS: See Resistance 3, Gears of War 3, Halo 3 for recent shooter examples).
The thing is, I think it is actually kind of cool that there are staunch proponents and opponents of each choice. I think the dismay at the destruction of the Mass Relays was sublime.
Why? Because these were legitimate responses to galaxy-shattering events. Each player had a different response and reaction to these gut wrenching and out-of-left-field choices;
The Catalyst was unexpected for a reason. It was the last hurdle, the last obstacle for Shepard. It was heartbreaking. It was unfair. It was awesome to experience for the first time.
However, it was followed up by the godawful "JUNGLE CRASH LAND LUDDITE WONDER FUTURE" epilogue which was quite honestly the most awful bungling of anything ever. In the history of All Time.
Anyway, the thing is, I actually enjoyed the Catalyst. It took players out of their comfort zones, myself included. It presented a choice that was not only hard, but almost incomprehensible in its scope.
To paraphrase Sovereign, it was not a thing I could understand.
And you know what? That was cool. Where BioWare failed in the original cut was in bringing it back down to Earth (pun unintended but heartily endorsed by my conscious self) and at least showing us a glimpse of what happened to anyone but Shep. Jungle planet doesn't count because it was almost incomprehensible.
The Extended Cut suceeded in showing us an actual Epilogue, failed in providing too much exposition.
Honestly, all I personally needed was the memorial scene and the Normandy lifting off.
Now, bear in mind I don't have any "Head Canon." I just think that sometimes you have to let the characters go. Enjoy the time you had with them in the story and take comfort in knowing that you brought some of them through. Maybe they all starve to death, or maybe not. That's life, that's the pain in leaving them behind. I don't need it spelled out for me.
That's why I enjoy the "Shepard lives" scene. I enjoy a bit of coyness and hinting at things to come. The characters are beyond the reach of the player, but not beyond hope. Shepard, and by extension the player, gave all the characters hope to continue. To spell out what happens next in some way cheapens it. Don't get me wrong, I like "hints" at what comes next. But for me, the EC ruined some of the subtlety of the ending. But I appreciate that people needed more, and that's cool, I think that the EC has something for everyone now, and I'd much rather it be an ending everyone can enjoy a bit than and ending only I enjoy.
So there you have it, some ramblings and such. Feel free to disagree.
She's nekkid underneathMerchantGOL wrote...
but isn't jokers disease a celular one?Seival wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
Seival wrote...
Joker has rare bone desease, which caused inapropriate bone development during his growth, and left mechanical defects when Joker finally grew up. In case of Synthesis desease itself has gone, but mechanical defects remained. And this even Synthesis can't fix. Joker needs prothesis to fix his legs completely... This is how I see it.
but i don't see how it would work like that if his dNA is all perfect then it should fix the bones
like captain america
I think that new DNA means new molecular structure, but not new form. All races keep their appearance, and each particular creature keeps it's own defects. If someone has lost an eye during the battle, then new eye will not grow up itself. The same for inborn bone mechanical defects.
also why is tali still in her suit then
MerchantGOL wrote...
but isn't jokers disease a celular one?Seival wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
Seival wrote...
Joker has rare bone desease, which caused inapropriate bone development during his growth, and left mechanical defects when Joker finally grew up. In case of Synthesis desease itself has gone, but mechanical defects remained. And this even Synthesis can't fix. Joker needs prothesis to fix his legs completely... This is how I see it.
but i don't see how it would work like that if his dNA is all perfect then it should fix the bones
like captain america
I think that new DNA means new molecular structure, but not new form. All races keep their appearance, and each particular creature keeps it's own defects. If someone has lost an eye during the battle, then new eye will not grow up itself. The same for inborn bone mechanical defects.
also why is tali still in her suit then
shepdog77 wrote...
So what's everyone's favorite ME2 squadmate EC slide?
This one's mine...
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Mcfly616 wrote...
Just finished my 7th playthrough....I ****in love this series....
There are so many moments that cannot be experienced in 1 or 2 or 3 playthroughs.....I'm still seeing things I've never seen before.....what an accomplishment....
The Catalyst is actually mind-blowing in the EC, and Leviathan will only add to the earth-shattering revelations....I cant wait....
shepdog77 wrote...
So what's everyone's favorite ME2 squadmate EC slide?
This one's mine...
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