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#351
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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

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Do we really need thousands of the same threads complaining about the endings? 


Well considering there seems to be a rather equal amount pro/anti end, how about just no more new threads if we really don't need them eh?


There definitely is not an equal amount. Either way, I don't see what's wrong with this thread.

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
Do we really need thousands of the same threads complaining about the endings? 


Well considering there seems to be a rather equal amount pro/anti end, how about just no more new threads if we really don't need them eh?


People should be free to create whatever thread they want, given it's on-topic, no matter how redundant the message is. Besides it seems almost every thread on the endings are negative.

However, anti-enders should post here too. This topic shouldn't turn into a circlejerk like many of the anti-ending topics. Civil debate is good and only serves to strengthen opinions.

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jeffyg93 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
Do we really need thousands of the same threads complaining about the endings? 


Well considering there seems to be a rather equal amount pro/anti end, how about just no more new threads if we really don't need them eh?


People should be free to create whatever thread they want, given it's on-topic, no matter how redundant the message is. Besides it seems almost every thread on the endings are negative.

However, anti-enders should post here too. This topic shouldn't turn into a circlejerk like many of the anti-ending topics. Civil debate is good and only serves to strengthen opinions.

That's just it though, most of the anti-enders who would come into a pro-ending thread with the intent to derail it are not the type for civil discussions.

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Discussions and civil debate is good and interesting. But that will not happen on BSN.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

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What? That is awesome.....I'll seriously never understand the hate for the EC.....its beautiful. I have 7 'complete' playthroughs of the trilogy....and I haven't even seen half of these slides posted in this thread.....


There's so much variation......I feel like it goes unappreciated in the "YouTube" era....


Half of 6 is three... big whoop.
The fact that the concept of the endings is still horrible and shoe-horned into the ME franchise may be a part of it.


There's more than 6.

"The fact that the concept of the endings is still horrible"

No that's actually an opinion.

For the sake of fairness, I'm going to interject here.

Yes, to say the concept of the endings is horrible is an opinion. However, it is a fact that this ending (which was not the originally intended conclusion for the franchise, you can debate whether or not that's a good thing elsewhere, but not in reference to this post) does leave many loose ends. There are many deliberate foreshadowing events in ME2 for the original plot, and those are now (very annoyingly, in my opinion) irrelevant and dangling, unresolved plot threads. The conclusion of ME3 does not resolve why ME2 even happened...why did the Reapers need a human Reaper so quickly? Why were humans so important that they needed to round them up and process them before the Reapers even arrived? None of this is taken into account, and at least to me, it feels like the entire metaplot of ME2 was largely ignored in favor of this new "cycle of destruction" thing. In all honesty, I felt like all that was wrapped up on Rannoch, and was (not so pleasantly) surprised that it came up again in the end. It felt like drudging up an old argument with your ex. XD

Making these choices also requires a ton of trust in the Catalyst, and I don't feel it deserves any trust at all. It hasn't proven itself worthy of any trust: it is an agent of the enemy, and for all we've seen, it is just as corrupt and fallible as any single individual has the potential to be. No ten-minute conversation is going to be enough to convince my Shepard (or me) that you are not my enemy, you have to try harder than that. Certainly don't throw a hissy fit if I decide your choices suck. Lol. This is the primary reason I chose to blow them all to kingdom come.

However, I love what the EC has done to "facelift" the original endings. It enabled me to play the series again without feeling like everything was a waste of time. The added slides and variation between epilogues added a sense of control over the outcome I didn't have before, which is great. Miracle of Sound described it as "emotionally satisfying, not logically satisfying," and I wholeheartedly agree. Luckily, emotionally satisfying is good enough for me, because I know asking for "logically satisfying" would require more time and money than they have to put into this. With the EC, the ending is far from "perfect," but it's alright for what it is, and I won't bash it. I'll still give critical critique, but I won't bash it by saying it's the "WORST THING EVAR," because it's not. Lol. Apparently Dune ends in a worse way. (Which has done wonders for my motivation to finish it, let me assure you... XD)

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CDRSkyShepard wrote...

For the sake of fairness, I'm going to interject here.

Yes, to say the concept of the endings is horrible is an opinion. However, it is a fact that this ending (which was not the originally intended conclusion for the franchise, you can debate whether or not that's a good thing elsewhere, but not in reference to this post) does leave many loose ends. There are many deliberate foreshadowing events in ME2 for the original plot, and those are now (very annoyingly, in my opinion) irrelevant and dangling, unresolved plot threads. The conclusion of ME3 does not resolve why ME2 even happened...why did the Reapers need a human Reaper so quickly? Why were humans so important that they needed to round them up and process them before the Reapers even arrived? None of this is taken into account, and at least to me, it feels like the entire metaplot of ME2 was largely ignored in favor of this new "cycle of destruction" thing. In all honesty, I felt like all that was wrapped up on Rannoch, and was (not so pleasantly) surprised that it came up again in the end. It felt like drudging up an old argument with your ex. XD


There actually wasn't an original intended conclusion, at least not a concrete one. Multiple ideas were on the table on what the Reaper's directive would be. There were cut Codex entries. One of those entries detailed the issue of technological singularity, so take that as you will. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_2_Cut_Content

In ME2, there was what, one mission that vaguely foreshadowed the dark energy plot? Be honest if you didn't read about it on the internet, would you have guessed that this was the Reapers' motivations for the harvesting cycle? Let's face it, they scrapped the dark energy plot because it was incredibly contrived and didn't make sense. How would human's genetic diversity fit into the dark energy issue? Organics/Synthetic relations has been a major theme since the first game. 

The human Reaper could be explained with or without the dark energy plot. They create one Sovereign-class Reaper every cycle. Humans apparently had the best genetics to do this. The rest of the species are turned into Destroyers. Also after Sovereign's death, they needed a new vanguard to open up the relay to dark space.

ME2's true purpose was to set up the Genophage/Rannoch plot arcs that were later resolved in ME3. The Collector threat was always just a filler. So no, ME2 is not entirely irrelevant.



Making these choices also requires a ton of trust in the Catalyst, and I don't feel it deserves any trust at all. It hasn't proven itself worthy of any trust: it is an agent of the enemy, and for all we've seen, it is just as corrupt and fallible as any single individual has the potential to be. No ten-minute conversation is going to be enough to convince my Shepard (or me) that you are not my enemy, you have to try harder than that. Certainly don't throw a hissy fit if I decide your choices suck. Lol. This is the primary reason I chose to blow them all to kingdom come.

However, I love what the EC has done to "facelift" the original endings. It enabled me to play the series again without feeling like everything was a waste of time. The added slides and variation between epilogues added a sense of control over the outcome I didn't have before, which is great. Miracle of Sound described it as "emotionally satisfying, not logically satisfying," and I wholeheartedly agree. Luckily, emotionally satisfying is good enough for me, because I know asking for "logically satisfying" would require more time and money than they have to put into this. With the EC, the ending is far from "perfect," but it's alright for what it is, and I won't bash it. I'll still give critical critique, but I won't bash it by saying it's the "WORST THING EVAR," because it's not. Lol. Apparently Dune ends in a worse way. (Which has done wonders for my motivation to finish it, let me assure you... XD)


Do you know what the "original" dark energy endings were suppose to be? They were much worse. You either let the Reapers continue their harvest of humanity so they could find a way to stop the dark energy issue, or you stop the Reapers and vow to find to a solution on our terms (and most likely fail). I don't even think the Crucible/Catalyst plot would have changed either.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 07 août 2012 - 03:38 .


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MegaSovereign wrote...

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Link Ashland 614 wrote...

How 'bout we forget about those two? This thread is getting better and better!

Also, has any of you seen the Rachni slide? Trust me, there is one.


I don't remember such slide actually.


After the Krogan go extinct if you don't cure the genophage, the Rachni occupy Tuchanka.

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Well, I think the Rachni will do well even with Krogan still alive. Old enemies can become best friends eventually :)

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Since everyone is posting their favourite slides, I'll post mine :P

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posted it before but posting again. Its just so beautiful. Its the main difference, to me, between the pre and post-EC endings.

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Not a slide, still I love this scene. Shows EDI coming of age and becoming what she always wanted to.

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EDI's commentary makes it more compelling.

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Same as above, Hackett's speech was awesome in this slide.

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Seeing a controlled Harbinger=priceless.
Shepard: ASSUING DIRECT CONTROL!
Harbinger: THIS HURTS ME!

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Sajuro wrote...

Seival: I am honestly glad you made a thread like this, while I chose destroy I respect the people who did synthesis and control and I like the friendly banter here instead of people just hating


Thanks :)

I wish all hate will gone from BSN some day. Let's turn all haters into constructive people. Even disagreement can be constructive.

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I wish Bioware would take the piece of toilet paper our endings were scribbled on and wipe that little clag-nut Casper from the face of the franchise. Just saying.

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CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yes, to say the concept of the endings is horrible is an opinion. However, it is a fact that this ending (which was not the originally intended conclusion for the franchise, you can debate whether or not that's a good thing elsewhere, but not in reference to this post) does leave many loose ends. There are many deliberate foreshadowing events in ME2 for the original plot, and those are now (very annoyingly, in my opinion) irrelevant and dangling, unresolved plot threads. The conclusion of ME3 does not resolve why ME2 even happened...why did the Reapers need a human Reaper so quickly? Why were humans so important that they needed to round them up and process them before the Reapers even arrived? None of this is taken into account, and at least to me, it feels like the entire metaplot of ME2 was largely ignored in favor of this new "cycle of destruction" thing. In all honesty, I felt like all that was wrapped up on Rannoch, and was (not so pleasantly) surprised that it came up again in the end. It felt like drudging up an old argument with your ex. XD

Making these choices also requires a ton of trust in the Catalyst, and I don't feel it deserves any trust at all. It hasn't proven itself worthy of any trust: it is an agent of the enemy, and for all we've seen, it is just as corrupt and fallible as any single individual has the potential to be. No ten-minute conversation is going to be enough to convince my Shepard (or me) that you are not my enemy, you have to try harder than that. Certainly don't throw a hissy fit if I decide your choices suck. Lol. This is the primary reason I chose to blow them all to kingdom come.

However, I love what the EC has done to "facelift" the original endings. It enabled me to play the series again without feeling like everything was a waste of time. The added slides and variation between epilogues added a sense of control over the outcome I didn't have before, which is great. Miracle of Sound described it as "emotionally satisfying, not logically satisfying," and I wholeheartedly agree. Luckily, emotionally satisfying is good enough for me, because I know asking for "logically satisfying" would require more time and money than they have to put into this. With the EC, the ending is far from "perfect," but it's alright for what it is, and I won't bash it. I'll still give critical critique, but I won't bash it by saying it's the "WORST THING EVAR," because it's not. Lol. Apparently Dune ends in a worse way. (Which has done wonders for my motivation to finish it, let me assure you... XD)


I like current conclusion very much. And I believe BioWare reserved Dark Energy and Reapers' Creators plots for future games in ME Universe.

The original Catalist has no reasons to lie. It could left Shepard to die near the Anderson, but instead it helped her and admitted its own mistakes.

...And I'm glad that you satisfied with the endings at least emotionally :)

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Fandango9641 wrote...

I wish Bioware would take the piece of toilet paper our endings were scribbled on and wipe that little clag-nut Casper from the face of the franchise. Just saying.


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I'm glad this thread is back on track.

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Seival, I have the link to all the endings, thought you might like it in your OP

Synthesis:
Destroy:
Control (Paragon): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PPBllnO8Tc&feature=relmfu
Refuse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c&feature=relmfu

all credit to VesperAzure

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This is still the best slide.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

This is still the best slide.

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Certainly the best drawn, along with the Krogan returning home

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I agree with you OP I love the endings
glad someone else has a good taste !!

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BrookerT wrote...

Seival, I have the link to all the endings, thought you might like it in your OP

Synthesis:
Destroy:
Control (Paragon): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PPBllnO8Tc&feature=relmfu
Refuse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c&feature=relmfu

all credit to VesperAzure


Well, I think all ending movies are very easy to find. The more links, texts and pictures I add to OP, the harder it becomes to observe, which may repel some people. I'm trying to keep OP as simple as possible :)

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john_sheparrd wrote...

I agree with you OP I love the endings
glad someone else has a good taste IMO!!



Fixed.

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john_sheparrd wrote...

I agree with you OP I love the endings
glad someone else has a good taste !!


Good to hear that not only I find the overall ending concept perfect :)

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I'll have to just politely drop in here and say that I still don't like the endings, and I still don't want to play any Mass Effect. I'm glad others are enjoying it, but I think of ME and feel nothing but disappointment. I don't blame Bioware, I blame myself for that. Maybe in a couple of years I can look back and laugh at the blind enthusiasm that caused my epic disappointment. That's really the only hope I have left for Mass Effect.

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Captain_Obvious wrote...

I'll have to just politely drop in here and say that I still don't like the endings, and I still don't want to play any Mass Effect. I'm glad others are enjoying it, but I think of ME and feel nothing but disappointment. I don't blame Bioware, I blame myself for that. Maybe in a couple of years I can look back and laugh at the blind enthusiasm that caused my epic disappointment. That's really the only hope I have left for Mass Effect.


Well, I hope you will like the endings eventually. And in couple of years BioWare could finish new game in ME Universe, by the way :)

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So, could people confirm which slides do the best job of making a non-refusal Shep feel less like a war criminal?

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So, could people confirm which slides do the best job of making a non-refusal Shep feel less like a war criminal?


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Taboo-XX wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

So, could people confirm which slides do the best job of making a non-refusal Shep feel less like a war criminal?


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Awww thats lovely. How do I get that one?