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[AlexPorto111]

The originals were bad,yes,but the EC was awesome.It gave me the closure i needed for the characters,the catalyst was much more explained,and i liked the overall dialogue with it.I loved the epilogue,well made and emotional.I admit,i cried like a freaking baby in the last 20 minutes of the game with the EC.

I support this thread.

Modifié par AlexPorto111, 05 août 2012 - 10:09 .

[JamieCOTC]

I hate the endings, but what the hell, kudos for putting this thread together. There is nothing wrong w/ a positive outlook on things. I did like the final goodbye speech between Shepard and the LI in the EC and both Control and Synthesis provided some very interesting ideas and feels. Thanks.

[saracen16]

Ignoring the pile of horse dung being dumped by the trolls, I made the following post before the EC came out, assuming the galactic dark age ending.

This is just my opinion. I LOVED the endings. I thought they were amazing. Why is that? Because they raise many questions. All the races got enough closure: the Krogans were cured of the genophage, and the Quarians and the Geth made peace, etc. I'll use some examples...

- Is Shepard indoctrinated near the end? The dream sequence and the all-too-familiar appearance of the Catalyst leads me to think that is a great possibility. It makes me think that the Reapers are really and truly godly-unstoppable, and can therefore not be destroyed, and all what we've seen afterwards... was an illusion. But maybe only the Catalyst appearing as a boy was an illusion, and everything else was real.

- The Reapers were the good guys? See, that's what scares me: the Catalyst and the Reapers believe that they are doing the best for organic species by preserving them and preventing them from being annihilated by the synthetics they create, in the process most likely destroying the synthetics as well as their masters. Suddenly, Saren doesn't sound like a raving, deluded fanatic, but a savior of organic species... albeit not in the way that most organics want. This pattern is something the Catalyst created, through the construction of the mass relays. Remember what Vendetta said: the universe has seen this cycle repeat itself in the same patterns of evolution and the same valleys of dissolution (something that isn't merely by chance). What if the Reapers and the Catalyst were gods who repeated these things? What if there are larger forces at play that are manipulating how people believe in religion and the like? Notice the similarities between the Asari-Prothean and Salarian-Krogan relationships? Notice anything between the Prothean AI's who rebelled and the Quarian-Geth conflict?

- Was the galaxy saved or destroyed? I thought at once that because the mass relays were destroyed, that meant all solar systems were, too. But they weren't rammed by asteroids. They got destroyed AFTER they POWERED UP and PROPELLED the Crucible transmission to another solar system, a self-propagating chain that was broken as you went along it. The energy stored in the mass relay was used to propel the dissipated Crucible signals arriving at the next solar systems, and after propelling this UNQUANTIFIABLE energy, it shatters in the process, most likely sparing the solar systems as a result. Even scarier is what happens afterwards. Will the Krogans go to war against the Salarians if you cured the genophage? What will Quarian life be like without the Geth and vice-versa? Better yet, what will Quarian life be like when all synthetics are DESTROYED? What will Quarians do without the geth ON RANNOCH? With the Citadel council no more, and space travel a myth, how will my Shepard be remembered by the races of the galaxy?

[obZen DF]

I really like the ending now with EC. But my personal problems are not yet redeemed: The inconsistent and bad writing. But I moved on from my personal problems.
And it's good that there finally is a positive topic about it.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The (post-EC) ending is good!

[Seival]

AlexPorto111 wrote...

The originals were bad,yes,but the EC was awesome.It gave me the closure i needed for the characters,the catalyst was much more explained,and i liked the overall dialogue with it.I loved the epilogue,well made and emotional.I admit,i cried like a freaking baby in the last 20 minutes of the game with the EC.

I support this thread.

I'm really glad that more and more people support the endings

...BSN have seen too much hate already. It's time for the positive threads and support.

[Ageless Face]

Haaa Seival. You never seize to amaze me with your guts. The haters will be all over you and this thread.

Keep up the good work.

[blueumi]

no as an ending it's terrible nothing will change that but I am starting to enjoy all the weird stuff thats in the ending and I keep finding something new thats just out right weird

[CrazyRah]

I personally might despise the endings and probably always will think of them as crap but kudos for this thread and for the love of everything good in the world i would appreciate if this thread didn't get swarmed in hate. Let everyone that like the endings have one place to discuss it without having to read endless posts of just hate.

[D24O]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I really, really don't like that picture or the caption.

But I support threads that aren't filled with unhealthy negativity and ignorance.

Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a spamfest.

You must be new here.

Last time Sevial made this thread it got spammed to oblivion by rustling jimmies pictures, and I got banned.

Modifié par D24O, 05 août 2012 - 10:27 .

[Eain]

Even if you love the endings you have to admit that all of the following about them holds true:

1) The Crucible narrative as a whole means the galaxy was never in any danger of extinction to begin with, because they were always going to find some sort of Reaper-killing device at the very last minute anyway. Defeating Sovereign in ME1 and buying the galaxy two extra years? A complete waste of plot space, because nothing was done with it. Stopping the Collectors from building a human Reaper? Doesn't matter at all. Why? Because those were never going to be the solution to the Reaper threat. That solution was going to come straight out of left field at a completely convenient time.

2) The war is won by doing what the Reapers tell you. Even if you think control or synthesis are beautiful concepts, the fact of the matter is that at the very last minute of the series the main villains threw their hands up and went "whoops you got us" while they were busy decimating your fleets. Their sudden surrender to Shepard and their offering of the three colours stands in stark contrast to what's happening in the battle, namely the united species getting their asses thoroughly kicked. The ending is, no matter how you spin it, nothing more than the Reapers suddenly deciding to help you instead of fighting you. Why? Can anyone tell me why?

[PrimeOfValor]

CrazyRah wrote...

I personally might despise the endings and probably always will think of them as crap but kudos for this thread and for the love of everything good in the world i would appreciate if this thread didn't get swarmed in hate. Let everyone that like the endings have one place to discuss it without having to read endless posts of just hate.

Here, here. Sieval, I might have been wrong about u, sorry.

[FoggyFishburne]

Wow... this ****ing **** community... You morons have a "appreciation thread" for a **** ending? For a company that doesn't give a **** about you... I'm out. Idiots will be idiots

[obZen DF]

I absolutely love the Renegade Illusive man ending. Where he pushes Anderson aside, walks toward Shepard and screams: "I am the Savior of Humanity! I am the Pinnacle of the hu.." Gunshot.
Really ends his character in the perfect way.

[MegaSovereign]

D24O wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I really, really don't like that picture or the caption.

But I support threads that aren't filled with unhealthy negativity and ignorance.

Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a spamfest.

You must be new here.

Last time Sevial made this thread it got spammed to oblivion by rustling jimmies pictures, and I got banned.

No I'm not new.

Funny story about that thread. I actually got banned for joining in on the rustling jimmies meme spam, but my motivations weren't to silience the OP.

At the time, it all seemed harmless...

[MegaSovereign]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

Wow... this ****ing **** community... You morons have a "appreciation thread" for a **** ending? For a company that doesn't give a **** about you... I'm out. Idiots will be idiots

:wub::wub::wub::wub:

[Mazebook]

To be quite honest I can´t even imagine a other way how it could have ended...that would not be a let down on comparison with what we have now.

The post EC-endings are sad, happy, sweet and disturbing at the same time...
even before the EC they were thought provoking and elevated the Series to a new Level...forcing you to put things into perspective.

thanks for creating this thread.

[Mazebook]

Eain wrote...

Even if you love the endings you have to admit that all of the following about them holds true:

1) The Crucible narrative as a whole means the galaxy was never in any danger of extinction to begin with, because they were always going to find some sort of Reaper-killing device at the very last minute anyway. Defeating Sovereign in ME1 and buying the galaxy two extra years? A complete waste of plot space, because nothing was done with it. Stopping the Collectors from building a human Reaper? Doesn't matter at all. Why? Because those were never going to be the solution to the Reaper threat. That solution was going to come straight out of left field at a completely convenient time.

2) The war is won by doing what the Reapers tell you. Even if you think control or synthesis are beautiful concepts, the fact of the matter is that at the very last minute of the series the main villains threw their hands up and went "whoops you got us" while they were busy decimating your fleets. Their sudden surrender to Shepard and their offering of the three colours stands in stark contrast to what's happening in the battle, namely the united species getting their asses thoroughly kicked. The ending is, no matter how you spin it, nothing more than the Reapers suddenly deciding to help you instead of fighting you. Why? Can anyone tell me why?

without going into deeper discussion...(this is not the thread for something like this---pm me if you want to know more)

1)Nope...ME 1 was the fundation to everything.
2)Nope...the reapers just give you their side of the story...you destroy them by our own terms.

Modifié par maaaze, 05 août 2012 - 10:40 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

I support the endings. I wouldn't say I love them or that they are amazing but they are enough to satisfy me.

FoggyFishburne wrote...

Wow... this ****ing **** community... You morons have a "appreciation thread" for a **** ending? For a company that doesn't give a **** about you... I'm out. Idiots will be idiots

you must so sour about life

Modifié par Ranger Jack Walker, 05 août 2012 - 10:43 .

[Eain]

Maaaze, here's how it could've ended:

It could've used plot elements from the previous games to make those adventures seem meaningful. It could've been written in such a way that what we did during the defeat of Sovereign and the Collectors would actually contribute to the overall plan to stop the Reapers. The problems with the endings, therefore, isn't just with the endings themselves. It's far more structural: the plot should've been written from the start to lead towards a certain conclusion.

Given how it wasn't, however, yes the Crucible narrative was the only way possible. They wrote themselves into a corner and had to resort to a convenient superweapon to win the day. But even if you like this plot you have to agree with me that a trilogy in which each installment contributed meaningfully to the overall goal of stopping the villain would've been better.

Consider that Mac Walters literally told us that 99.5% of ME3 was thought up after ME2, and that 99.5% of ME2 was thought up after ME1. Walters said, -literally-, that the only thing they knew about ME3 while making ME2 was that Shepard was going to fight the Reapers.

In effect that means that they knew as much as we did about the third part.

That's just not right. More planning and less making things up on the spot would've gone a long way.

[MegaSovereign]

Eain wrote...

Maaaze, here's how it could've ended:

It could've used plot elements from the previous games to make those adventures seem meaningful. It could've been written in such a way that what we did during the defeat of Sovereign and the Collectors would actually contribute to the overall plan to stop the Reapers. The problems with the endings, therefore, isn't just with the endings themselves. It's far more structural: the plot should've been written from the start to lead towards a certain conclusion.

Given how it wasn't, however, yes the Crucible narrative was the only way possible. They wrote themselves into a corner and had to resort to a convenient superweapon to win the day. But even if you like this plot you have to agree with me that a trilogy in which each installment contributed meaningfully to the overall goal of stopping the villain would've been better.

Consider that Mac Walters literally told us that 99.5% of ME3 was thought up after ME2, and that 99.5% of ME2 was thought up after ME1. Walters said, -literally-, that the only thing they knew about ME3 while making ME2 was that Shepard was going to fight the Reapers.

In effect that means that they knew as much as we did about the third part.

That's just not right. More planning and less making things up on the spot would've gone a long way.

Ideas evolve over time. Even if they wrote the script for all three games before even releasing the first one, variables are added over time. New ideas are introduced. They would have inevitably changed/tweaked somethings.

While yes they should have planned the Reaper conflict a bit earlier, the entire trilogy isn't as sloppy as you make it sound. Major themes and conflicts that are introduced in ME1 are later resolved in ME3. Examples: The Genophage, Uniting the Galaxy, Geth/Quarian conflict, etc.

I like an open-minded debate about the endings, but the OP specifically requested that we refrain from posts that would derail the positive nature of this thread. So if you want to take this into a PM or something, by all means.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 05 août 2012 - 10:51 .

[Eain]

Ideas evolve over time but you can plant firm stakes in the ground. It's not too much to ask of a group of writers to determine an overall plot for the trilogy with each installment contributing to the resolution of the third. It really isn't. They can colour the rest of their picture in as they go along, but they cannot just randomly invent core story columns as they go. Otherwise you end up with a shaky story like the one we have now.

And thanks but no thanks, I'm declining all PM offers. I'm not doing these discussions for myself, I do em in the hope that anyone at Bioware may read em at an off-hour and propose some of what they've read during a lunch break.

Modifié par Eain, 05 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[D24O]

MegaSovereign wrote...

No I'm not new.

Funny story about that thread. I actually got banned for joining in on the rustling jimmies meme spam, but my motivations weren't to silience the OP.

At the time, it all seemed harmless...

Good times, I don't remember you being part of it, but I probably drowned you out. But then I got burned, so I'm off that.

[Mazebook]

Eain wrote...
[...]

Just a quick note.

Planning out would have only brought us a little forshadowing here and there... but less flexibilty to take feedback into account and the main plot point would have stayed the same anyway...

for example...It would have made no sense introducing the crucible at an earlier time...

On the mechanical side of things i think the availability of the solutions should have been more restricted...with much higher ems requirments for unlocking destroy and control...

but thats more a gameplay complaint than a narrative one.