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[Taboo]

pirate1802 wrote...

No offense but a truly selfless hero would rather sacrifice his principles than sacrifice the galaxy.

Quoted for truth.

Seriously, well done.

[shepskisaac]

One conclusion I came.

I would have no idea/really hard time which option to pick in Shepard's place.

Destroy - the most reliable to be true, will end the problem of Reapers immediately. But at the price of killing an entire race, even if it can be rebuilt (but those wouldn't be the same people)
Control - seemingly the best, nobody dies. But without knowing the future and that it will absolutely work, standing there and about to make the choice, would I trust that it will work? What if it doesn't? TIM believed it would but he was indoctrinated. What if I am indoctrinated? And even if I'm not, what if I will simply be killed and will never become the Catalyst? What if the Catalyst is lying to save his (and Reapers' skin)
Synthesis - same questions as with Control. It leaves the Reapers alive so what if it's just a lie by the Catalyst

I'm talking about the perspective BEFORE watching the cutscenes that happen after each choice and knowing that both Control & Synthesis work and were not lies/tricks. If I was standing there in Shep's place, I think I would probably pick Destroy. I would be too scared that if I picked Control/Synthesis, it would turn out to be a lie by the Catalyst, I would die and Reapers would win killing everyone

Modifié par IsaacShep, 12 août 2012 - 03:45 .

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

No offense but a truly selfless hero would rather sacrifice his principles than sacrifice the galaxy.

+1

Modifié par Seival, 12 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[Seival]

IsaacShep wrote...

One conclusion I came.

I would have no idea/really hard time which option to pick in Shepard's place.

Destroy - the most reliable to be true, will end the problem of Reapers immediately. But at the price of killing an entire race, even if it can be rebuilt (but those wouldn't be the same people)
Control - seemingly the best, nobody dies. But without knowing the future and that it will absolutely work, standing there and about to make the choice, would I trust that it will work? What if it doesn't? TIM believed it would but he was indoctrinated. What if I am indoctrinated? And even if I'm not, what if I will simply be killed and will never become the Catalyst? What if the Catalyst is lying to save his (and Reapers' skin)
Synthesis - same questions as with Control. It leaves the Reapers alive so what if it's just a lie by the Catalyst

I'm talking about the perspective BEFORE watching the cutscenes that happen after each choice and knowing that both Control & Synthesis work and were not lies/tricks. If I was standing there in Shep's place, I think I would probably pick Destroy. I would be too scared that if I picked Control/Synthesis, it would turn out to be a lie by the Catalyst, I would die and Reapers would win killing everyone

Possibly, Destroy is not as reliable as you believe... With all those dead Reaper bodies liing in each world and just waiting till someone starts to study them.

[wizardryforever]

Seival wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

One conclusion I came.

I would have no idea/really hard time which option to pick in Shepard's place.

Destroy - the most reliable to be true, will end the problem of Reapers immediately. But at the price of killing an entire race, even if it can be rebuilt (but those wouldn't be the same people)
Control - seemingly the best, nobody dies. But without knowing the future and that it will absolutely work, standing there and about to make the choice, would I trust that it will work? What if it doesn't? TIM believed it would but he was indoctrinated. What if I am indoctrinated? And even if I'm not, what if I will simply be killed and will never become the Catalyst? What if the Catalyst is lying to save his (and Reapers' skin)
Synthesis - same questions as with Control. It leaves the Reapers alive so what if it's just a lie by the Catalyst

I'm talking about the perspective BEFORE watching the cutscenes that happen after each choice and knowing that both Control & Synthesis work and were not lies/tricks. If I was standing there in Shep's place, I think I would probably pick Destroy. I would be too scared that if I picked Control/Synthesis, it would turn out to be a lie by the Catalyst, I would die and Reapers would win killing everyone

Possibly, Destroy is not as reliable as you believe... With all those dead Reaper bodies liing in each world and just waiting till someone starts to study them.

Not only that, but if you believe that the Catalyst is lying to you, what's to stop him from lying about all of the options?  You can't really selectively apply the "Catalyst is lying" excuse to one or two endings.  If he's lying, he's lying about all of them.  Maybe shooting the pipe just means that it explodes in your face and kills you, while diasbling the Crucible.  How much sense does shooting a pipe make in order to make the Crucible fire, anyway?

Why even bother bringing you up there and talking to you just to lie to you?  Why not just leave you to bleed out in front of the console?  That's the biggest flaw in the "Catalyst is lying" argument.

[Seival]

wizardryforever wrote...

Seival wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

One conclusion I came.

I would have no idea/really hard time which option to pick in Shepard's place.

Destroy - the most reliable to be true, will end the problem of Reapers immediately. But at the price of killing an entire race, even if it can be rebuilt (but those wouldn't be the same people)
Control - seemingly the best, nobody dies. But without knowing the future and that it will absolutely work, standing there and about to make the choice, would I trust that it will work? What if it doesn't? TIM believed it would but he was indoctrinated. What if I am indoctrinated? And even if I'm not, what if I will simply be killed and will never become the Catalyst? What if the Catalyst is lying to save his (and Reapers' skin)
Synthesis - same questions as with Control. It leaves the Reapers alive so what if it's just a lie by the Catalyst

I'm talking about the perspective BEFORE watching the cutscenes that happen after each choice and knowing that both Control & Synthesis work and were not lies/tricks. If I was standing there in Shep's place, I think I would probably pick Destroy. I would be too scared that if I picked Control/Synthesis, it would turn out to be a lie by the Catalyst, I would die and Reapers would win killing everyone

Possibly, Destroy is not as reliable as you believe... With all those dead Reaper bodies liing in each world and just waiting till someone starts to study them.

Not only that, but if you believe that the Catalyst is lying to you, what's to stop him from lying about all of the options?  You can't really selectively apply the "Catalyst is lying" excuse to one or two endings.  If he's lying, he's lying about all of them.  Maybe shooting the pipe just means that it explodes in your face and kills you, while diasbling the Crucible.  How much sense does shooting a pipe make in order to make the Crucible fire, anyway?

Why even bother bringing you up there and talking to you just to lie to you?  Why not just leave you to bleed out in front of the console?  That's the biggest flaw in the "Catalyst is lying" argument.

Indeed. Catalyst has no reasons to lie, because it could just left Shepard to die near the Anderson instead of helping and admitting its own mistakes.

[LiarasShield]

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win


Better yet it would be like me trying to force you all to pick destroy or synthesis or control against your will you had no say in the matter and everyone would be forced to follow this change without any input without diversity without freewill you're equally as evil by taking everyone elses choice away.

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them


Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

Modifié par LiarasShield, 12 août 2012 - 07:26 .

[Seival]

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win


Better yet it would be like me trying to force you all to pick destroy or synthesis or control against your will you had no say in the matter and everyone would be forced to follow this change without any input without diversity without freewill you're equally as evil by taking everyone elses choice away.

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them


Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

I think Refuse is not just evil, it's far beyond evil. I don't even know a word which can describe that... Even TIM's actions were good compared to Refuse I suppose. Refuse can achieve nothing but letting the Reapers to continue the Cycles.

[Mazebook]

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You did that throughout the whole trilogy. You asked nobodys permition if curing or continueing the Genophage is the best for all beings in the galaxy...you don´t know if saving the rachni is the best for all beings in the galaxy...you don´t know what repercussions saving the collector base has.

All Decisions have the chance to have a major impact on the Galaxy. I am pretty sure everyone else in the whole Galaxy would rather have a Shaperd controling the Reapers than be turned into a reaper. would rather be part Synthetic instead of turned into a Reaper. Even the Geth and EDI would glady sacrafice themself inorder to bring an end to the cycle.

And furthermore,
You are not just fighting for this Cycle. No, you are fighting for all Organics who parrished because of the reapers.

I am sorry, but refuse shepard is no hero. He is a coward. Frightend of making a change in the Universe and giving into the dominance of the cycle System.

Modifié par maaaze, 12 août 2012 - 10:33 .

[RenegadeXV]

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Modifié par COGNiTiON 1, 12 août 2012 - 10:38 .

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You did that throughout the whole trilogy. You asked nobodys permition if curing or continueing the Genophage is the best for all beings in the galaxy...you don´t know if saving the rachni is the best for all beings in the galaxy...you don´t know what repercussions saving the collector base has.

All Decisions have the chance to have a major impact on the Galaxy. I am pretty sure everyone else in the whole Galaxy would rather have a Shaperd controling the Reapers than be turned into a reaper. would rather be part Synthetic instead of turned into a Reaper. Even the Geth and EDI would glady sacrafice themself inorder to bring an end to the cycle.

And furthermore,
You are not just fighting for this Cycle. No, you are fighting for all Organics who parrished because of the reapers.

I am sorry, but refuse shepard is no hero. He is a coward. Frightend of making a change in the Universe and giving into the dominance of the cycle System.

Indeed.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Taboo-XX wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

No offense but a truly selfless hero would rather sacrifice his principles than sacrifice the galaxy.

Quoted for truth.

Seriously, well done.

That statement is false the term Hero differs from person to person, I'd argue that a true Hero would stick to his or her principles no matter the hardship, no matter how many people tell him/her that they can't do what needs to be done. TBH if you sell out you principles you have no integrity.

But on another note refuse in Mass Effect 3 is not really a choice.

Also Bad plot is BAD

Modifié par DinoSteve, 12 août 2012 - 11:04 .

[LiarasShield]

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

[inko1nsiderate]

This conversation about Shepard's morality reminds me of Marlon Brando's voice over near the end of 'Apocalypse Now'. Shepard, who murdered 300,000 Batarians to slow down the Reapers, is suddenly forced into immorality by doing some questionable things to stop the Reapers.  But those Batarians had it coming, or something, anyway, the point is murdering 300,000 Batarians to slow the Reaper invasion is totally ethical and right but this other stuff is just going too far, man!

How dare those bomber pilots write swear words on their jets they use to drop napalm on villages, using that kind of language is just going too far!

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 12 août 2012 - 11:16 .

[RenegadeXV]

LiarasShield wrote...

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

I would argue that Refusal makes every action taken by every individual from that point on worthless, as they are all condmned to death, with their bodies being part of some warped Reaper creation.

No matter what "choice" individuals are free to make in the wake of Shepard's refusal, it all comes down to naught. They may be free, but they have no future.

inko1nsiderate wrote...

This conversation about Shepard's morality reminds me of Marlon Brando's voice over near the end of
'Apocalypse Now'. Shepard, who murdered 300,000 Batarians to slow down the Reapers, is suddenly forced into immorality by doing some questionable things to stop the Reapers.  But those Batarians had it coming, or something, anyway, the point is murdering 300,000 Batarians to slow the Reaper invasion is totally ethical and right but this other stuff is just going too far, man!

How dare those bomber pilots write swear words on their jets they use to drop napalm on villages, using that kind of language is just going too far!

In an odd coincidence, I just finished watching Apocalypse Now about a hour ago.

Modifié par COGNiTiON 1, 12 août 2012 - 11:25 .

[RethenX]

LiarasShield wrote...

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

yes because I think the galaxy would wholeheartly welcome the mass extinction of all sapient life.

[LiarasShield]

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

yes because I think the galaxy would wholeheartly welcome the mass extinction of all sapient life.

The Galaxy  most likely wouldn't welcome their dna being fused with synthetics or other organics or shepard controling the reapers or even killing
the geth

At least everyone gets to keep their freewill and yes you should always stay true to your believes even in a hard situation

I fight for us to make our own fate ^^

Modifié par LiarasShield, 13 août 2012 - 12:14 .

[RethenX]

LiarasShield wrote...

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

yes because I think the galaxy would wholeheartly welcome the mass extinction of all sapient life.

The Galaxy  most likely wouldn't welcome their dna being fused with synthetics or other organics or shepard controling the reapers or even killing
the geth

At least everyone gets to keep their freewill and yes you should always stay true to your believes even in a hard situation

I fight for us to make our own fate ^^

Well when all the chips are down which would you prefer, life or not? If I was in Shepard's shoes I wouldn't ****** away the oprotunity to end the problem, and save lives. Yes there are caviots, but in the end the war is over, and people have the chance to rebuild and live life in peace once again. I don't agree with Synthesis and Control, but life continues, and nobody has to die.

[LiarasShield]

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

yes because I think the galaxy would wholeheartly welcome the mass extinction of all sapient life.

The Galaxy  most likely wouldn't welcome their dna being fused with synthetics or other organics or shepard controling the reapers or even killing
the geth

At least everyone gets to keep their freewill and yes you should always stay true to your believes even in a hard situation

I fight for us to make our own fate ^^

Well when all the chips are down which would you prefer, life or not? If I was in Shepard's shoes I wouldn't ****** away the oprotunity to end the problem, and save lives. Yes there are caviots, but in the end the war is over, and people have the chance to rebuild and live life in peace once again. I don't agree with Synthesis and Control, but life continues, and nobody has to die.

I would not force a entire galaxy altering choice like the three options and yes I would always stay true to myself no matter how hard the situation refuse is showing that shepard can stay true to his or her own beliefs despite the chips that he or she has been handed

[RethenX]

LiarasShield wrote...

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

yes because I think the galaxy would wholeheartly welcome the mass extinction of all sapient life.

The Galaxy  most likely wouldn't welcome their dna being fused with synthetics or other organics or shepard controling the reapers or even killing
the geth

At least everyone gets to keep their freewill and yes you should always stay true to your believes even in a hard situation

I fight for us to make our own fate ^^

Well when all the chips are down which would you prefer, life or not? If I was in Shepard's shoes I wouldn't ****** away the oprotunity to end the problem, and save lives. Yes there are caviots, but in the end the war is over, and people have the chance to rebuild and live life in peace once again. I don't agree with Synthesis and Control, but life continues, and nobody has to die.

I would not force a entire galaxy altering choice like the three options and yes I would always stay true to myself no matter how hard the situation refuse is showing that shepard can stay true to his or her own beliefs despite the chips that he or she has been handed

I understand your reasons to refuse. Forcing extreame change, domination, and the deaths of a race are hard decisions for a resolution to a conflict. We both have our opinions, and while I don't agree with yours, I hope your at least happy about your choice.

[LiarasShield]

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

RethenX wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Refuse for me is the only way I can truely see shepard staying as a hero

By letting every race die?

By letting everyone fight till the end or allowing everyone to make their own choices instead of forcing a universal change against peoples will yes it is still heroic not every hero has to win

Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

Once again I doubt most of you understand where I am coming from so alot of you will mostly say refuse is evil and so on and forth but forcing a change on every living being or altering the universe where everyones elses choices or believes doesn't matter is wrong

You've said you would rather not take away everyone's will or choices, but isn't that exactly what you've done by refusing? With the other endings, there is the chance for survival, but by refusing, every many, woman and child of every intelligent species of Shepard's cycle dies.

Also, what change is forced upon everyone through the Destroy ending?

What you've said reminds me of the story of Spec Ops: The Line and the main character's fixation with heroism.

Shepard allows everyone in the galaxy to make their own choices then imposing his or her own choice over everybody elses by picking destroy control or synthesis

yes because I think the galaxy would wholeheartly welcome the mass extinction of all sapient life.

The Galaxy  most likely wouldn't welcome their dna being fused with synthetics or other organics or shepard controling the reapers or even killing
the geth

At least everyone gets to keep their freewill and yes you should always stay true to your believes even in a hard situation

I fight for us to make our own fate ^^

Well when all the chips are down which would you prefer, life or not? If I was in Shepard's shoes I wouldn't ****** away the oprotunity to end the problem, and save lives. Yes there are caviots, but in the end the war is over, and people have the chance to rebuild and live life in peace once again. I don't agree with Synthesis and Control, but life continues, and nobody has to die.

I would not force a entire galaxy altering choice like the three options and yes I would always stay true to myself no matter how hard the situation refuse is showing that shepard can stay true to his or her own beliefs despite the chips that he or she has been handed

I understand your reasons to refuse. Forcing extreame change, domination, and the deaths of a race are hard decisions for a resolution to a conflict. We both have our opinions, and while I don't agree with yours, I hope your at least happy about your choice.

Since it was the only choice I felt that sat well with my shepard I am happy for making my choice ^^

[DirtyPhoenix]

LiarasShield wrote...

The Galaxy  most likely wouldn't welcome their dna being fused with synthetics or other organics or shepard controling the reapers or even killing
the geth

At least everyone gets to keep their freewill and yes you should always stay true to your believes even in a hard situation

I fight for us to make our own fate ^^

Just would like to point out one thing here. In the decision chamber, there was no one but Shepard. We had no idea what the crucible would do. We had vague ideas sure, but nothing concrete. So, for all everyone may ever know, Synthesis may have been the only way to use the crucible. They weren't there, they didn't see the choices Shepard was provided. So they will probably be pissed for some time, but eventually they'll adjust. And everyone keeps their freewill in any choice. That's a moot point.

Modifié par pirate1802, 13 août 2012 - 01:29 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

LiarasShield wrote...
Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

I'd rather be the monster that saved people than the hero that led everyone to their doom. Sorry its obvious our definitions of hero differs, and I respect yours.

[DirtyPhoenix]

IsaacShep wrote...

One conclusion I came.

I would have no idea/really hard time which option to pick in Shepard's place.

Destroy - the most reliable to be true, will end the problem of Reapers immediately. But at the price of killing an entire race, even if it can be rebuilt (but those wouldn't be the same people)
Control - seemingly the best, nobody dies. But without knowing the future and that it will absolutely work, standing there and about to make the choice, would I trust that it will work? What if it doesn't? TIM believed it would but he was indoctrinated. What if I am indoctrinated? And even if I'm not, what if I will simply be killed and will never become the Catalyst? What if the Catalyst is lying to save his (and Reapers' skin)
Synthesis - same questions as with Control. It leaves the Reapers alive so what if it's just a lie by the Catalyst

I'm talking about the perspective BEFORE watching the cutscenes that happen after each choice and knowing that both Control & Synthesis work and were not lies/tricks. If I was standing there in Shep's place, I think I would probably pick Destroy. I would be too scared that if I picked Control/Synthesis, it would turn out to be a lie by the Catalyst, I would die and Reapers would win killing everyone

That's true. Without metagaming, if I was Shepard, the real person standing there, and asked to choose, I'll probably start moving towards the tube.

But think for a second. If you were the catalyst, and you wanted to trick Shepard, and you read his mind (we know you wanted to destroy us, and the catalyst looking like the kid) which option would you like to rig?

[JeffZero]

pirate1802 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...
Rather go down a hero then be a monster that took everyones will or choices away from them

I'd rather be the monster that saved people than the hero that led everyone to their doom. Sorry its obvious our definitions of hero differs, and I respect yours.

Ditto.