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[Mazebook]

LiarasShield wrote...

well refuse finally gave me a ending I enjoy ^^

I think thats great!

but please don´t say my Shepard is a monster or no hero because he choose to do something different.

[JeffZero]

Yeah, we're here to respect others' opinions on the various endings, even if we might hate some of them. And if someone hates all of them, which isn't exactly uncommon around here! -- well, please just be respectful.

[Seival]

LiarasShield wrote...

Seival wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well I doubt you'll ever truely understand why some players truely do pick refuse while some will not understand why you pick any of the three choices

Yes, I can't understand why some people choose Refusal. And I never will understand that. This choice is too alien for me. My Shepard's goal was to stop the Reapers, not to allow them to continue the harvests.

I will not sacrifice my morals or the morals or choices of others to destroyr the reapers I will allow everyone to make their own choices if it fails it fails if it succedes then it succedes but I will not force a universal altering space magic choice upon them against their will

And I will always repeat what shepard says during

You're asking me to change everything and everyone and I wont

I'm gonna end this war on my terms

I fight for freedom mine and everyones

I fight for the right to choose our own fate if i die then I'll die knowing I did everything I could to stop you

And I'll die free!

You can always try to undermine why I chose

refuse but the ideals of freedom and allowing everyone to make their own choice and dieing knowing that I did everything humanly possiable to stop you besides the crucible or universal altering choices that you present to me

That me and my forces gave their best to stop you I'll die free

Well, I heard that before, and I understand refusers' point of view. But what I don't understand is that how someone can actually choose that. I wouldn't even have such thoughts. My Shepard came there to stop the Reapers, even if the price for that wasn't quite what I expected. My Shepard rather sacrifice her principles and handle her confusion, than sacrifice trillions of lives and "enjoy free death".

And please, don't kid yourself about "everyone will have choice" and "noone will be forced" in case of Refusal. Noone will have any choice, they will all join the original Reapers sooner or later. They can only choose if it will be sooner or later. Noone will die free. Everyone will become hasks or material for new Reaper ships, and they all will realize that before they will die.

Modifié par Seival, 15 août 2012 - 11:04 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Heh today I saw someone write: "Well you chose control and synthesis, shows what kind of a person you are". (Not to me).. I facepalmed so hard my face is hurting.

[LiarasShield]

Seival wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Seival wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well I doubt you'll ever truely understand why some players truely do pick refuse while some will not understand why you pick any of the three choices

Yes, I can't understand why some people choose Refusal. And I never will understand that. This choice is too alien for me. My Shepard's goal was to stop the Reapers, not to allow them to continue the harvests.

I will not sacrifice my morals or the morals or choices of others to destroyr the reapers I will allow everyone to make their own choices if it fails it fails if it succedes then it succedes but I will not force a universal altering space magic choice upon them against their will

And I will always repeat what shepard says during

You're asking me to change everything and everyone and I wont

I'm gonna end this war on my terms

I fight for freedom mine and everyones

I fight for the right to choose our own fate if i die then I'll die knowing I did everything I could to stop you

And I'll die free!

You can always try to undermine why I chose

refuse but the ideals of freedom and allowing everyone to make their own choice and dieing knowing that I did everything humanly possiable to stop you besides the crucible or universal altering choices that you present to me

That me and my forces gave their best to stop you I'll die free

Well, I heard that before, and I understand refusers' point of view. But what I don't understand is that how someone can actually choose that. I wouldn't even have such thoughts. My Shepard came there to stop the Reapers, even if the price for that wasn't quite what I expected. My Shepard rather sacrifice her principles and handle her confusion, than sacrifice trillions of lives and "enjoy free death".

And please, don't kid yourself about "everyone will have choice" and "noone will be forced" in case of Refusal. Noone will have any choice, they will all join the original Reapers sooner or later. They can only choose if it will be sooner or later. Noone will die free. Everyone will become hasks or material for new Reaper ships, and they all will realize that before they will die.

Well I'm not willing to sacrifice the soul of our species to beat the reapers I will stick to what I feel is right even in the most hard and painful of situations

My shepard wants everyone to make their own choices and is willing to let herself and her forces fight to the end even if they do die because she does believe in freedom and does believe that everyone being wether organic or synthetic should be able to choose

And even if she failed the next cycle finds a solution and my headcannon is they found another way to beat the reapers without the crucible or was able to use the crucibles for new choices that were not provided in shepards generation


And You're willing to alter every single lifeform in order to save them in my eyes you would be no better then the reapers sevial thank god that me3 isn't real  because if you did try to use the crucible to save people and tried to alter every being or thing in our universe I would be forced to stop you or knock you out so that you wouldn't do it

Yes I would die with my freewill intact I may be killed by the reapers but I wouldn't submit to their choices and I would die a noble warriors death which you may or may not understand


Better to die free then


Become A rogue Vi or ai that causes the reapers to attack organics again in the future And you think their is absolutely nothing wrong in this ending you're  wrong if you helped the geth it doesn't matter you control them as well as the reapers the geth don't retain any free will or did you not see the geth side by side with the reapers in one of the slides?

Then splicing peoples dna to make them the same to establish some twisted paradise of peace by making everyone the same

Or by destroying my own allies to kill the reapers no

You think were monsters for letting everyone make their own choices even though we do die or fail well friend altering every creature or thing in the galaxy doesn't put you that much above us


And Yes I chose the moral high road and I don't regret it at all

Modifié par LiarasShield, 15 août 2012 - 12:37 .

[LiarasShield]

sorry ment to hit edit

Modifié par LiarasShield, 15 août 2012 - 12:35 .

[Seival]

LiarasShield wrote...

Seival wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Seival wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well I doubt you'll ever truely understand why some players truely do pick refuse while some will not understand why you pick any of the three choices

Yes, I can't understand why some people choose Refusal. And I never will understand that. This choice is too alien for me. My Shepard's goal was to stop the Reapers, not to allow them to continue the harvests.

I will not sacrifice my morals or the morals or choices of others to destroyr the reapers I will allow everyone to make their own choices if it fails it fails if it succedes then it succedes but I will not force a universal altering space magic choice upon them against their will

And I will always repeat what shepard says during

You're asking me to change everything and everyone and I wont

I'm gonna end this war on my terms

I fight for freedom mine and everyones

I fight for the right to choose our own fate if i die then I'll die knowing I did everything I could to stop you

And I'll die free!

You can always try to undermine why I chose

refuse but the ideals of freedom and allowing everyone to make their own choice and dieing knowing that I did everything humanly possiable to stop you besides the crucible or universal altering choices that you present to me

That me and my forces gave their best to stop you I'll die free

Well, I heard that before, and I understand refusers' point of view. But what I don't understand is that how someone can actually choose that. I wouldn't even have such thoughts. My Shepard came there to stop the Reapers, even if the price for that wasn't quite what I expected. My Shepard rather sacrifice her principles and handle her confusion, than sacrifice trillions of lives and "enjoy free death".

And please, don't kid yourself about "everyone will have choice" and "noone will be forced" in case of Refusal. Noone will have any choice, they will all join the original Reapers sooner or later. They can only choose if it will be sooner or later. Noone will die free. Everyone will become hasks or material for new Reaper ships, and they all will realize that before they will die.

Well I'm not willing to sacrifice the soul of our species to beat the reapers I will stick to what I feel is right even in the most hard and painful of situations

My shepard wants everyone to make their own choices and is willing to let herself and her forces fight to the end even if they do die because she does believe in freedom and does believe that everyone being wether organic or synthetic should be able to choose

And even if she failed the next cycle finds a solution and my headcannon is they found another way to beat the reapers without the crucible or was able to use the crucibles for new choices that were not provided in shepards generation

And You're willing to alter every single lifeform in order to save them in my eyes you would be no better then the reapers sevial thank god that me3 isn't real  because if you did try to use the crucible to save people and tried to alter every being or thing in our universe I would be forced to stop you or knock you out so that you wouldn't do it

Yes I would die with my freewill intact I may be killed by the reapers but I wouldn't submit to their choices and I would die a noble warriors death which you may or may not understand

Better to die free then

Become A rogue Vi or ai that causes the reapers to attack organics again in the future And you think their is absolutely nothing wrong in this ending you're  wrong if you helped the geth it doesn't matter you control them as well as the reapers the geth don't retain any free will or did you not see the geth side by side with the reapers in one of the slides?

Then splicing peoples dna to make them the same to establish some twisted paradise of peace by making everyone the same

Or by destroying my own allies to kill the reapers no

You think were monsters for letting everyone make their own choices even though we do die or fail well friend altering every creature or thing in the galaxy doesn't put you that much above us

And Yes I chose the moral high road and I don't regret it at all

You've just repeated a usual refuser point of view again. As I said, I understand the point of view, but I find refusal too alien and selfish. If I was Shepard, refusal thoughts wouldn't even visit my mind.

Why do refusers fear so much that any real option will end up in something bad, and see no problem in letting the original Catalyst to continue the Cycles and also making sure noone will be able to use Crucible (or something similar) again? I have only one good answer: Refusers don't trust their own Shepards.

Modifié par Seival, 15 août 2012 - 06:52 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I think we should move on from refuse to other topics of discussion. If they find an ending they like then that's only good isn't it? :] Even though we kinda don't understand it but still..

[Mazebook]

pirate1802 wrote...

I think we should move on from refuse to other topics of discussion. If they find an ending they like then that's only good isn't it? :] Even though we kinda don't understand it but still..

agreed.
One thing I don´t understand is why the cut the dialoge between Anderson and Shaperd, talking about Shaperd having kids.
Was it to presumptuous?

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

I think we should move on from refuse to other topics of discussion. If they find an ending they like then that's only good isn't it? :] Even though we kinda don't understand it but still..

Agree.

[PinkysPain]

Seival wrote...
Well, I heard that before, and I understand refusers' point of view. But what I don't understand is that how someone can actually choose that.

Do you know D&D? The good choices in Bioware games used to be mostly Paladin-like ... and you generally didn't get screwed too badly for acting like a Paladin (only bad DM's do that, also only bad DMs have DMPCs dictate the endings making the rails stand out).

The cause simply never justifies the means, if you don't have faith in the fundamental morality of the universe you have failed as a paladin ... what that means is that you have faith that a moral decision no matter the short term consequences will always end up with a better universe than an a-moral decision. Better a trillion people die than one good man turn to evil to try to stop it ...

Again though, only a bad DM lets it come to that ...

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

One thing I don´t understand is why the cut the dialoge between Anderson and Shaperd, talking about Shaperd having kids.
Was it to presumptuous?

Now I'm starting to think about Shepard's Asari doughter as the protagonist for the next ME Universe game again... And about Matriarch Liara, captaining the Destiny Ascension, and using captain position as a cover, because she is still the Shadow Broker...

[Seival]

PinkysPain wrote...

Seival wrote...
Well, I heard that before, and I understand refusers' point of view. But what I don't understand is that how someone can actually choose that.

Do you know D&D? The good choices in Bioware games used to be mostly Paladin-like ... and you generally didn't get screwed too badly for acting like a Paladin (only bad DM's do that, also only bad DMs have DMPCs dictate the endings making the rails stand out).

The cause simply never justifies the means, if you don't have faith in the fundamental morality of the universe you have failed as a paladin ... what that means is that you have faith that a moral decision no matter the short term consequences will always end up with a better universe than an a-moral decision. Better a trillion people die than one good man turn to evil to try to stop it ...

Again though, only a bad DM lets it come to that ...

I always prefered True Neutral Druid Verdant Lords (or Elemental Savants) in D&D.

[Seival]

...Well, I have to admit that True Neutral Druid Elemental Savants were much more preferable actually

Modifié par Seival, 15 août 2012 - 08:49 .

[shepdog77]

*snip my derp*

Modifié par shepdog77, 15 août 2012 - 08:55 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

One thing I don´t understand is why the cut the dialoge between Anderson and Shaperd, talking about Shaperd having kids.
Was it to presumptuous?

Now I'm starting to think about Shepard's Asari doughter as the protagonist for the next ME Universe game again... And about Matriarch Liara, captaining the Destiny Ascension, and using captain position as a cover, because she is still the Shadow Broker...

Seriously I'd love to see that. Well, I guess every Liaramancer would. xD

[DirtyPhoenix]

shepdog77 wrote...

I thought I heard somewhere that that dialogue was for "Forever Alone" Sheps.  I could be wrong though.

Why would he be talking to forever alone sheps about kids?

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

One thing I don´t understand is why the cut the dialoge between Anderson and Shaperd, talking about Shaperd having kids.
Was it to presumptuous?

Now I'm starting to think about Shepard's Asari doughter as the protagonist for the next ME Universe game again... And about Matriarch Liara, captaining the Destiny Ascension, and using captain position as a cover, because she is still the Shadow Broker...

Seriously I'd love to see that. Well, I guess every Liaramancer would. xD

Indeed

[shepdog77]

pirate1802 wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

I thought I heard somewhere that that dialogue was for "Forever Alone" Sheps.  I could be wrong though.

Why would he be talking to forever alone sheps about kids?

Wait, just re-listened to it.  I thought the conversation was different, nevermind. 

[Seival]

I think you should check this out: http://social.biowar...ndex/13693416/1

[JBONE29]

JeffZero wrote...

I suppose I'll open by saying that the epilogue speeches are handled quite well. Hackett's is regal and proud. Shepard's is compelling and retrospective. EDI's is my favorite, mainly just for those last few lines -- very emotional.

Eventhough it does go against what they have been arguing; namely that life is life reguardless of whether it's synthetic or organic.

By having EDI say that she is now alive completely goes against the argument that she was alive from the moment she gained sentience.

[Feanor_II]

I'm fine with the endigs, more details in the EC and some complexity (ala DA:O's epilogue) would be better..... but I like.

I was also quite fine with the original endings, thought they were narratvely quite disastrous the idea was very good.

[LiarasShield]

You believe universally altering everyone and everything is right I do not

The galaxy and shepards forces never gave him or her the right to take their choices away or to merge their dna or use the reapers who have caused the destruction of the worlds to begin with to protect them and without that permission you're altering everyone and everything against their will

You're no better then any refuser even though you want to feel that way you believe the ends justify the means but in this case this does not


You don't beat evil with evil

You don't beat satan by becoming satan I'm sure the bible or whatever religion you believe has at least taught most of you that

I didn't take a gun and shoot all my allies or cause some giant energy beam to alter everyones dna or to destroy my own forces or have the reapers who have caused so much destruction live and serve the new catalyst ai who may or may not turn evil in the future

All of you did which worries me alot also another reason why I thank the stars that me isn't really because the atrocity you would commit would equal even more or just the same then someone fighting for individuality for all and the freedom to keep it that way

Modifié par LiarasShield, 16 août 2012 - 12:29 .

[AresKeith]

you should see this thread http://social.biowar...4922/1#13695251

[LiarasShield]

Two wrongs don't make a right friends perhaps you need another lesson