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[DirtyPhoenix]

But hey, we had supporters of the RGB endings here before now we have a dedicated refusal supporter, that's good right? people from across the spectrum.

Modifié par pirate1802, 16 août 2012 - 02:01 .

[LiarasShield]

we all chose each ending in what we believed was the right choice or the choice that we felt right with our shepards

And refuse was mine but the moment you try to say one ending is superior to another is the moment we will have major conflicts lol

[DirtyPhoenix]

I don't believe any ending is superior to other in an objective sense, only that I might like some ending more than other, that's all. There is no universally good or bad ending.

[ZajoE38]

I support ME3 endings. They don't lack anything. It is logical, narrative, story-deep and very different outcomes. And it well presented morale relativity.. nothing is good, nothing is bad. All depends on angle of view.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Nothing is true, everything is permitted!

[Taboo]

pirate1802 wrote...

I don't believe any ending is superior to other in an objective sense, only that I might like some ending more than other, that's all. There is no universally good or bad ending.

That's certainly true now.

No one had any idea what the hell was going on pre-EC.

They let everyone get "their" ending for the most part, so as long as it fit within the original endings.

It made me happy and that's why you're stuck with me now.

[Pitznik]

LiarasShield wrote...

I didn't say you had to admit that I'm right I simply said perhaps you should agree we have different views and just let go because you traping your forces in a nearly dead solar system and flat out killing the geth makes you so much better then me its load of crap

I wanted all organics and synthetics to be able to do their own choices not force full on manipulation of them both or mess with power that humans were never ment to have or genocide or forcing everybody to be the same

You're no better then me we can sit back here and argue all day long you could simply agree that we think differently or we can keep exchanging words during this whole thread

Why would I agree that we have a different views, if your view is morally abhorrent? If you believe you can win conventionally, pick refuse. If you believe Catalyst is lying, pick refuse. But don't tell me that with full awareness of the consequences refuse is just as good a choice as others - it is not. If you are trapped in dead solar system, maybe there is some way out, in worst case there is death. With refusal there is only death. Killing the geth is better than watching geth die along with turians, asari, krogan, quarians, volus, elcor, salarians and humans.

You keep talking about choices - by not using the crucible you are making a choice, choice that condemns everyone to death. They can't choose to not be destroyed by Reapers, so what is worth that choice you've given?. If you will go rogue, which is a RISK, not a certainty, the galaxy still stays in the same situation as in refusal - everyone vs the Reapers - and this is worst case scenario. Instead of taking that risk, you just decide that you and all of the galaxy will die.

My choice is better than your choice. Your choice is immature, driven by pride, irresponsible and wrong. You're the person who opposes killing so much, that they won't kill the murderer who is about to murder someone. You are the person who won't shoot down the plane with terrorists and hostages on board and will watch how the whole city burns instead. You wash your hands and stay proud of yourself, when everything around you dies - but -your- conscience is clear, so it's ok! It is not like you think about the galaxy making that choice, but only about yourself. I'm sorry, but I find this disgusting.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Nothing is true, everything is permitted!

This is actually a very tricky phrase

[Seival]

LiarasShield wrote...

we all chose each ending in what we believed was the right choice or the choice that we felt right with our shepards

And refuse was mine but the moment you try to say one ending is superior to another is the moment we will have major conflicts lol

Well, which ending is superior is just a personal point of view of each player. Noone is trying to convince you. We all sharing our own visions of the endings

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

But hey, we had supporters of the RGB endings here before now we have a dedicated refusal supporter, that's good right? people from across the spectrum.

The more ending supporters - the better

[MegaSovereign]

Pitznik wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I didn't say you had to admit that I'm right I simply said perhaps you should agree we have different views and just let go because you traping your forces in a nearly dead solar system and flat out killing the geth makes you so much better then me its load of crap

I wanted all organics and synthetics to be able to do their own choices not force full on manipulation of them both or mess with power that humans were never ment to have or genocide or forcing everybody to be the same

You're no better then me we can sit back here and argue all day long you could simply agree that we think differently or we can keep exchanging words during this whole thread

Why would I agree that we have a different views, if your view is morally abhorrent? If you believe you can win conventionally, pick refuse. If you believe Catalyst is lying, pick refuse. But don't tell me that with full awareness of the consequences refuse is just as good a choice as others - it is not. If you are trapped in dead solar system, maybe there is some way out, in worst case there is death. With refusal there is only death. Killing the geth is better than watching geth die along with turians, asari, krogan, quarians, volus, elcor, salarians and humans.

You keep talking about choices - by not using the crucible you are making a choice, choice that condemns everyone to death. They can't choose to not be destroyed by Reapers, so what is worth that choice you've given?. If you will go rogue, which is a RISK, not a certainty, the galaxy still stays in the same situation as in refusal - everyone vs the Reapers - and this is worst case scenario. Instead of taking that risk, you just decide that you and all of the galaxy will die.

My choice is better than your choice. Your choice is immature, driven by pride, irresponsible and wrong. You're the person who opposes killing so much, that they won't kill the murderer who is about to murder someone. You are the person who won't shoot down the plane with terrorists and hostages on board and will watch how the whole city burns instead. You wash your hands and stay proud of yourself, when everything around you dies - but -your- conscience is clear, so it's ok! It is not like you think about the galaxy making that choice, but only about yourself. I'm sorry, but I find this disgusting.

Well said.

N7 are suppose to make the hard choices.

Refusing to use the Crucible is just a childish attempt at trying to keep your hands clean.

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

N7 are suppose to make the hard choices.

Refusing to use the Crucible is just a childish attempt at trying to keep your hands clean.

I think it will be more correct to say that Refusal is an attempt to give your responsibilities to someone else, and feel good several seconds before you die and become a hask. In other words - give up and please yourself instead of making a really hard choice and help everyone else. This is how I see it.

[Pitznik]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

N7 are suppose to make the hard choices.

Refusing to use the Crucible is just a childish attempt at trying to keep your hands clean.

I think it will be more correct to say that Refusal is an attempt to give your responsibilities to someone else, and feel good several seconds before you die and become a hask. In other words - give up and please yourself instead of making a really hard choice and help everyone else. This is how I see it.

Would Shepard do it? Any Shepard, paragon, renegade, a-hole, hero? I honestly believe it shouldn't be even added, since it creates new weird problems - like unintended refusal through shooting or dialogue exploration, like cut to black after dialogue with no real explanation what exactly happened. Only good thing about Refusal is this Liara beacon/capsule/thing, that's moving - how little is left of the whole galaxy, how pointless all problems and all solutions turned out to be.

Modifié par Pitznik, 17 août 2012 - 12:16 .

[Seival]

Pitznik wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

N7 are suppose to make the hard choices.

Refusing to use the Crucible is just a childish attempt at trying to keep your hands clean.

I think it will be more correct to say that Refusal is an attempt to give your responsibilities to someone else, and feel good several seconds before you die and become a hask. In other words - give up and please yourself instead of making a really hard choice and help everyone else. This is how I see it.

Would Shepard do it? Any Shepard, paragon, renegade, a-hole, hero? I honestly believe it shouldn't be even added, since it creates new weird problems - like unintended refusal through shooting or dialogue exploration, like cut to black after dialogue with no real explanation what exactly happened. Only good thing about Refusal is this Liara beacon/capsule/thing, that's moving - how little is left of the whole galaxy, how pointless all problems and all solutions turned out to be.

Well, personally, I think that Refusal was added more like a way to end the game for players, who don't like the main endings, but also don't like to walk around the Catayst's chamber forever. So, Refusal is more like a critical mission failure sequence.

Modifié par Seival, 17 août 2012 - 05:33 .

[Seival]

...And just want to remind that I'm not trying to convince someone. I'm just showing my attitude to some particular endings.

Modifié par Seival, 17 août 2012 - 09:32 .

[Pitznik]

More and more control looks to me like the most reasonable ending. We don't destroy synthetics, we don't alter them, we just keep them as they were. We don't confirm Catalyst's idiocy, yet we keep the tools just in case. We can repair the damage of war somewhat easier.

I wonder though, what with the Reapers? Mindless tools? Imprisoned villains? Hurting, unwilling slaves? Would like to know more, since they exhibited some (sinister and contemptful, if that is even a word) personality throughout the series.

[Seival]

Pitznik wrote...

More and more control looks to me like the most reasonable ending. We don't destroy synthetics, we don't alter them, we just keep them as they were. We don't confirm Catalyst's idiocy, yet we keep the tools just in case. We can repair the damage of war somewhat easier.

I wonder though, what with the Reapers? Mindless tools? Imprisoned villains? Hurting, unwilling slaves? Would like to know more, since they exhibited some (sinister and contemptful, if that is even a word) personality throughout the series.

Control is all about stopping the Reapers without unneeded sacrifices and changes. All races will live on as they did before the war (someone even better, than before the war), plus few people will also understand that Galactic Civilization has very powerful protector, who can help if really needed.

I think Reapers always were mindless tools. Maybe Nazara, Harbinger, and Leviathan are unique, but the rest of the Reapers have no minds. They have collective mind, called the Catalyst.

Modifié par Seival, 17 août 2012 - 10:43 .

[Pitznik]

Seival wrote...

I think Reapers always were mindless tools. Maybe Nazara, Harbinger, and Leviathan are unique, but the rest of the Reapers have no minds. They have collective mind, called the Catalyst.

Even lowly Rannoch destroyer was speaking like a person - maybe he was just a mouthpiece for Catalyst, but it didn't seem so. I can't remember now, if he was talking about himself, or only about the Reapers as a collective.

[Seival]

Pitznik wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think Reapers always were mindless tools. Maybe Nazara, Harbinger, and Leviathan are unique, but the rest of the Reapers have no minds. They have collective mind, called the Catalyst.

Even lowly Rannoch destroyer was speaking like a person - maybe he was just a mouthpiece for Catalyst, but it didn't seem so. I can't remember now, if he was talking about himself, or only about the Reapers as a collective.

I think that Catalyst just wanted to remain incognita. But in the end it changed its mind.

Modifié par Seival, 17 août 2012 - 10:47 .

[LiarasShield]

Pitznik wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think Reapers always were mindless tools. Maybe Nazara, Harbinger, and Leviathan are unique, but the rest of the Reapers have no minds. They have collective mind, called the Catalyst.

Even lowly Rannoch destroyer was speaking like a person - maybe he was just a mouthpiece for Catalyst, but it didn't seem so. I can't remember now, if he was talking about himself, or only about the Reapers as a collective.

Obviously you don't know when to let stuff go and are more of a hot head then anybody which is quite sad you know the ending I would choose if I could

Is to simply blow up the citadel why because the catalyst the one who controls the reapers controls the reapers from the citadel if the citadel was destroyed then maybe the reapers would shut off or destroy each other or be more influnced by shepard interactions with them now that the being that was controling them is gone

At worst the destruction of citadel would cause the destruction of the earth solar system but if all the galaxies forces hit ftl or use the mass relays before the citadel blows up everyone who wasn't on earth would end up


You're just one black sheep trying to call the other black sheep orange.
Being ok so once again you and I have different views between refuse and destroy like I said you can agree that we think differently or we can argue for eternity Like I promised


And you outright killing your own forces severly damaging the mass relays and being in a universe where you don't know if your forces will really survive or not into the future once again you're no better then me and you're equally as repulsive or disgusting and yes I will always try to save people instead of kill them in the opportunity is their but you don't know the gravity of your universal altering decision because you have never done them before and have never weilded that kind of power

You have no understanding to which to stand on to claim yourself to be better then me.

You playings gods advicate or playing god you messing with power that humans were  not ment to have you're equally as evil despite trying to cleanse your own hands

Modifié par LiarasShield, 18 août 2012 - 02:23 .

[WildHog70]

Besides the closure and continuity problems pre-EC, the biggest fix the EC provided was in clarification of the paragon/renegade ambiguity at play in the endings mostly due to TIM = Paragon and Anderson = Renegade. Control = Big Hero Shep For All Time which is clearly paragon. Destroy is pure revenge and survival at the cost of some allies, clearly renegade. Synthesis is the transhuman/transsapient solution beyond Renegade/Paragon. And Refuse was a great fan service bordering on fan parody.

[botfly10]

Just finished the EC and....

Just wanted to take a moment to say....

Holy S***. Just. Holy. Wow. S***.

I have never been so affected by a video game. The whole series is just.... so... incredible.

The level of immersion and emotional attachment to the characters and universe in this franchise is unreal.

I have been moved and it was good.

I SOOO don't want it to be over...




Thessia, Palaven, Rannoch, Tuchanka, Serenity... Saying goodbye to everyone before the final mission...

This series comprises the most emotional involvement and immersion I have EVER experienced in a game. Ever.

I just wanted to express what an epic, emotional, and profound journey the ME arc was for

[botfly10]

Oh yeah, and when I chose synthesis, EDI's speech just floored me.

[DirtyPhoenix]

I'm betting we'll know how the catalyst controls the reapers in Leviathan. And Seival, I thought I heard Harbinger say "save us" before getting hit by the laser. Now it may just be a case of hearing what I want to, but if it indeed true, then that's another reason I can't make control my canon ending. That just further prolongs their slavery. I'd either put them out of their misery or free them. Control, to me is maintaining the status quo. It doesn't go towards either extremes that is synthesis and destroy, and for that reason it is also the least controversial.

Modifié par pirate1802, 18 août 2012 - 04:21 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

botfly10 wrote...

Just finished the EC and....

Just wanted to take a moment to say....

Holy S***. Just. Holy. Wow. S***.

I have never been so affected by a video game. The whole series is just.... so... incredible.

The level of immersion and emotional attachment to the characters and universe in this franchise is unreal.

I have been moved and it was good.

I SOOO don't want it to be over...




Thessia, Palaven, Rannoch, Tuchanka, Serenity... Saying goodbye to everyone before the final mission...

This series comprises the most emotional involvement and immersion I have EVER experienced in a game. Ever.

I just wanted to express what an epic, emotional, and profound journey the ME arc was for

Watch out for the incoming trolls who'd tell you that you are a lowly individual and/or not a true ME fan for liking such a substandard product.
Though I agree with you. No other game messed with my emotions to such an extent. I thought crying for a video game character was childish, then Mass Effect came..