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[DirtyPhoenix]

What I meant by the question is, is Shepard-catalyst free-willled? Can he make decisions on his own? If he can, then here's what I think my ideal ending would be. It's an amalgamation of control and synthesis:

1. Take control, become the new catalyst.
2. Rebuild the relays and infrastructure as fast as I can.
3. Once rebuilding is done, move the reapers to dark space, study synthesis.
4. Contact my former team mates. Garrus, Wrex, Liara, Tali, Hackett etc. Maybe contact the council. Explain the situation and my motives to them.
5. Rebuild the crucible. Might take years. Move it to dark space once its done.
6. Gather volunteers for synthesis, with help of my former friends.
7. Take them to dark space and fire synthesis locally. Return them after synthesis.
8. As synthesis succeeds, gather more and more volunteers.
9. Moar synthesis! Eventually synthesize the whole galaxy, the willing part of the galaxy that is.
10. Final step: Download myself on a mobile platform looking like my former shape.
11. Synthesize myself and my LI. The reapers are free.
12. Destroy the citadel.
13. Live the rest of my life with my LI and my children in a scenic cottage

The more I think about it, the more control seems to be the "perfect" ending. It doesn't harm anyone, and it can be further used to achieve the other two endings (destroy and synthesis).

Modifié par pirate1802, 19 août 2012 - 01:37 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well people should really stop trying to say what ending is better then another it may be a ending that suits you you but you're using power humans were never ment to use no matter what the intention or the goald you're playing god and using power to alter everything in the universe their is no justification for it

I.. don't believe that. If we can control it, why shouldn't it be ours?

[Mazebook]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well people should really stop trying to say what ending is better then another it may be a ending that suits you you but you're using power humans were never ment to use no matter what the intention or the goald you're playing god and using power to alter everything in the universe their is no justification for it

There is, otherwise we should go back into caves and let nature rule us at it´s fullest.

[Seival]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well people should really stop trying to say what ending is better then another it may be a ending that suits you you but you're using power humans were never ment to use no matter what the intention or the goald you're playing god and using power to alter everything in the universe their is no justification for it

I already stopped saying that long ago. But this will not stop me from showing my attitude to other endings

Modifié par Seival, 19 août 2012 - 02:42 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

maaaze wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well people should really stop trying to say what ending is better then another it may be a ending that suits you you but you're using power humans were never ment to use no matter what the intention or the goald you're playing god and using power to alter everything in the universe their is no justification for it

There is, otherwise we should go back into caves and let nature rule us at it´s fullest.

Agreed.

[Enthalpy]

 Made some banners:







Don't know what to do for Refuse. Sorry guys ._.

Modifié par Enthalpy, 19 août 2012 - 04:07 .

[Seival]

Enthalpy wrote...

 Made some banners:







Don't know what to do for Refuse. Sorry guys ._.

Nice banners

[DirtyPhoenix]

Enthalpy wrote...

 Made some banners:







Don't know what to do for Refuse. Sorry guys ._.

Love 'em. For refuse it could be White/yellow background with Liara's capsule.
Seival you should add these to the OP, along with all the other I chose this and I chose that banners you see around

Modifié par pirate1802, 19 août 2012 - 04:50 .

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Enthalpy wrote...

 Made some banners:







Don't know what to do for Refuse. Sorry guys ._.

Love 'em. For refuse it could be White/yellow background with Liara's capsule.
Seival you should add these to the OP, along with all the other I chose this and I chose that banners you see around

I think if I'll start to add banners and links to OP, then it will become too large and uncomfortable to read. A lot of banners exist already. I think that banners should be placed in OP of each ending support thread.

Modifié par Seival, 19 août 2012 - 05:11 .

[Link Ashland 614]

Enthalpy wrote...

 Made some banners:







Don't know what to do for Refuse. Sorry guys ._.

There's something missing... no wait, they're in my sig. Perfect!! 

[Seival]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Enthalpy wrote...

 Made some banners:







Don't know what to do for Refuse. Sorry guys ._.

There's something missing... no wait, they're in my sig. Perfect!! 

And I wondered why are they so short. Now I understand

[Link Ashland 614]

Now just refuse at the central bottom and that will be all

[Enthalpy]

Thanks for the suggestions!

[LiarasShield]

pirate1802 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well people should really stop trying to say what ending is better then another it may be a ending that suits you you but you're using power humans were never ment to use no matter what the intention or the goald you're playing god and using power to alter everything in the universe their is no justification for it

I.. don't believe that. If we can control it, why shouldn't it be ours?

If you weren't ment to be human you wouldn't have been born human now would you?


If humans never had super galaxy altering powers then it is wrong to obtain something that our race never had the ability to have in the first place

Also we can agree that we don't see eye to eye on the endings or we can argue forever and ever and ever.

Modifié par LiarasShield, 19 août 2012 - 07:32 .

[Seival]

Enthalpy, may I add your banner to Control support thread?

[DirtyPhoenix]

LiarasShield wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well people should really stop trying to say what ending is better then another it may be a ending that suits you you but you're using power humans were never ment to use no matter what the intention or the goald you're playing god and using power to alter everything in the universe their is no justification for it

I.. don't believe that. If we can control it, why shouldn't it be ours?

If you weren't ment to be human you wouldn't have been born human now would you?


If humans never had super galaxy altering powers then it is wrong to obtain something that our race never had the ability to have in the first place

Also we can agree that we don't see eye to eye on the endings or we can argue forever and ever and ever.

You missed the joke man.. missed it by a big margin.

But now you have aroused my curiosity. What do you mean by "meant"? And what or who decides what we are "meant" to do or not to do. Applying your logic, that if we are not born with something, we are not meant for it, humans are not born with biotics. So we should not use them. We are not born with many things, yet we acquire them. We have been doing this for a long time. We were not born with galaxy-altering powers but we acquired it when we made the crucible. I'm sorry but this meant to do and not to do sounds vaguely religious and fatalistic to me. You are ofcourse welcome to your beliefs but I don't think that way..

And I stopped arguing with you ages ago. I just cracked a joke you didn't pick.

[daaaav]

ZajoE38 wrote...

I support ME3 endings. They don't lack anything. It is logical, narrative, story-deep and very different outcomes. And it well presented morale relativity.. nothing is good, nothing is bad. All depends on angle of view.

Sorry folks, I don't mean to be a kill joy but I just don't believe this. If you like the endings thats great, but why do you scrub your opinions of any critisism?

Critisism is one of the most valuable facets of any creative process and I strongly belive that maintaining that Mass Effect 3 has ZERO room for improvement does no one any favors, least of all Bioware.

To many people, the story isn't logical, coherent or deep and doesn't allow for a great range of moral relativism since vindication is offered only to Renegade Shepards who choose destroy or synthesis advocates.

Yes this is all my opinion, but isn't this a debate worth having if it will help Bioware to make better games?

[DirtyPhoenix]

daaaav wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

I support ME3 endings. They don't lack anything. It is logical, narrative, story-deep and very different outcomes. And it well presented morale relativity.. nothing is good, nothing is bad. All depends on angle of view.

Sorry folks, I don't mean to be a kill joy but I just don't believe this. If you like the endings thats great, but why do you scrub your opinions of any critisism?

Critisism is one of the most valuable facets of any creative process and I strongly belive that maintaining that Mass Effect 3 has ZERO room for improvement does no one any favors, least of all Bioware.

To many people, the story isn't logical, coherent or deep and doesn't allow for a great range of moral relativism since vindication is offered only to Renegade Shepards who choose destroy or synthesis advocates.

Yes this is all my opinion, but isn't this a debate worth having if it will help Bioware to make better games?

I do believe there is a LOT of room for improvement. I'd never say ME3 or its endings are perfect that'd be a lie..

[DirtyPhoenix]

So.. for what I see around and what the polls indicate, there are roughly equal number of controllers and synthesizers, and a slightly lesser number of refusers, while destroyers dwarf all of 'em by a ginormous amount. What do others think?

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

I support ME3 endings. They don't lack anything. It is logical, narrative, story-deep and very different outcomes. And it well presented morale relativity.. nothing is good, nothing is bad. All depends on angle of view.

Sorry folks, I don't mean to be a kill joy but I just don't believe this. If you like the endings thats great, but why do you scrub your opinions of any critisism?

Critisism is one of the most valuable facets of any creative process and I strongly belive that maintaining that Mass Effect 3 has ZERO room for improvement does no one any favors, least of all Bioware.

To many people, the story isn't logical, coherent or deep and doesn't allow for a great range of moral relativism since vindication is offered only to Renegade Shepards who choose destroy or synthesis advocates.

Yes this is all my opinion, but isn't this a debate worth having if it will help Bioware to make better games?

I do believe there is a LOT of room for improvement. I'd never say ME3 or its endings are perfect that'd be a lie..

While I find the endings' concept perfect. Which means even ending supporters are not all the same. But what we have in common - we all like the endings more or less. And we clearly don't like haters. Am I right?

Modifié par Seival, 20 août 2012 - 10:53 .

[Mazebook]

Seival wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

I support ME3 endings. They don't lack anything. It is logical, narrative, story-deep and very different outcomes. And it well presented morale relativity.. nothing is good, nothing is bad. All depends on angle of view.

Sorry folks, I don't mean to be a kill joy but I just don't believe this. If you like the endings thats great, but why do you scrub your opinions of any critisism?

Critisism is one of the most valuable facets of any creative process and I strongly belive that maintaining that Mass Effect 3 has ZERO room for improvement does no one any favors, least of all Bioware.

To many people, the story isn't logical, coherent or deep and doesn't allow for a great range of moral relativism since vindication is offered only to Renegade Shepards who choose destroy or synthesis advocates.

Yes this is all my opinion, but isn't this a debate worth having if it will help Bioware to make better games?

I do believe there is a LOT of room for improvement. I'd never say ME3 or its endings are perfect that'd be a lie..

While I find the endings' concept perfect. Which means even ending supporters are not all the same. But what we have in common - we all like the endings more or less. And we clearly don't like haters. Am I right?

righty right.

[DirtyPhoenix]

The "haters" have some valid points, to which I agree and I like the ones who discuss in a civil manner. But there are some who are filled with nothing but vitriol for anything ME3-related. No point debating with them. Worst still are the ones who push their own "head cannons" while accusing others of using headcanons.

[LiarasShield]

pirate1802 wrote...

The "haters" have some valid points, to which I agree and I like the ones who discuss in a civil manner. But there are some who are filled with nothing but vitriol for anything ME3-related. No point debating with them. Worst still are the ones who push their own "head cannons" while accusing others of using headcanons.

Pitznik would be one of those people damning anyone who chose refuse


But yeah If you weren't born with god like powers or powers that could alter the universe perhaps you were never ment to have them in the first place

Same reason why humans don't have the natural ability to fly

Modifié par LiarasShield, 20 août 2012 - 01:12 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

xD So you are against future biological research enabling man to fly? :S

[LiarasShield]

pirate1802 wrote...

xD So you are against future biological research enabling man to fly? :S

Yes I would be against it because if we were ment to fly we would've had wings attached to our bodies