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[DirtyPhoenix]

That's for the future. In future we may transcend mortality. Not something that is happening right now.

Modifié par pirate1802, 21 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[Pitznik]

LiarasShield wrote...


Is to simply blow up the citadel why because the catalyst the one who controls the reapers controls the reapers from the citadel if the citadel was destroyed then maybe the reapers would shut off or destroy each other or be more influnced by shepard interactions with them now that the being that was controling them is gone

Wishful thinking. Also, destroying the Citadel defended by the Reapers isn't exactly doable.

LiarasShield wrote...

At worst the destruction of citadel would cause the destruction of the earth solar system but if all the galaxies forces hit ftl or use the mass relays before the citadel blows up everyone who wasn't on earth would end up

Killing all the humans on Earth just to achieve nothing is better than killing all the Geth to destroy the Reapers? I don't follow your logic.

LiarasShield wrote...

And you outright killing your own forces severly damaging the mass relays and being in a universe where you don't know if your forces will really survive or not into the future once again you're no better then me and you're equally as repulsive or disgusting and yes I will always try to save people instead of kill them in the opportunity is their but you don't know the gravity of your universal altering decision because you have never done them before and have never weilded that kind of power

Chance to survive is always better than no chance to survive. I don't know what will happen after I take a choice, but I know what will happen if I won't.

LiarasShield wrote...

You playings gods advicate or playing god you messing with power that humans were  not ment to have you're equally as evil despite trying to cleanse your own hands

I told you before - Destroy or Control are decision affecting the galaxy IN THE LEAST. Synthesis and refusal both affect all of the galaxy, but synthesis still leaves choice between living in post synthesis world and dying, while refusal gives you only the choice between dying by the Reapers or dying by your own hand, dying fighting or dying running. In post refusal galaxy you are free to make your own choices, as long as they involve being dead.

In Shepard's situation there is no way of not playing god, every decision will have galaxy-wide consequences. Decision about not making the choice too. And if I have to play god, I'd rather save as much as I can.

[Seival]

 I created a poll about favorite ending: http://social.biowar...72/polls/38622/ 

...Please, vote

[Seival]

Added link to the poll to OP

[DirtyPhoenix]

Destroying the citadel wouldn't destroy the catalyst. Why? Because the catalyst says "The citadel is part of me." Which means he has other parts. I postulate a "part" of him is inside every individual reaper, a sort of distributed consciousness.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

 I created a poll about favorite ending: http://social.biowar...72/polls/38622/ 

...Please, vote

You should have put the poll as "Among those who like the ending, which ending is the most liked..". Putting the none of above option just means haturz are gonna spam it :|

[LiarasShield]

Pitznik wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


Is to simply blow up the citadel why because the catalyst the one who controls the reapers controls the reapers from the citadel if the citadel was destroyed then maybe the reapers would shut off or destroy each other or be more influnced by shepard interactions with them now that the being that was controling them is gone

Wishful thinking. Also, destroying the Citadel defended by the Reapers isn't exactly doable.

LiarasShield wrote...

At worst the destruction of citadel would cause the destruction of the earth solar system but if all the galaxies forces hit ftl or use the mass relays before the citadel blows up everyone who wasn't on earth would end up

Killing all the humans on Earth just to achieve nothing is better than killing all the Geth to destroy the Reapers? I don't follow your logic.

LiarasShield wrote...

And you outright killing your own forces severly damaging the mass relays and being in a universe where you don't know if your forces will really survive or not into the future once again you're no better then me and you're equally as repulsive or disgusting and yes I will always try to save people instead of kill them in the opportunity is their but you don't know the gravity of your universal altering decision because you have never done them before and have never weilded that kind of power

Chance to survive is always better than no chance to survive. I don't know what will happen after I take a choice, but I know what will happen if I won't.

LiarasShield wrote...

You playings gods advicate or playing god you messing with power that humans were  not ment to have you're equally as evil despite trying to cleanse your own hands

I told you before - Destroy or Control are decision affecting the galaxy IN THE LEAST. Synthesis and refusal both affect all of the galaxy, but synthesis still leaves choice between living in post synthesis world and dying, while refusal gives you only the choice between dying by the Reapers or dying by your own hand, dying fighting or dying running. In post refusal galaxy you are free to make your own choices, as long as they involve being dead.

In Shepard's situation there is no way of not playing god, every decision will have galaxy-wide consequences. Decision about not making the choice too. And if I have to play god, I'd rather save as much as I can.

Their still is no justification for using the crucible none at all you're still playing god and using a powerful magic device to destroy your own forces fuse all dna in the galaxy to be part machine or organic or you're becomnig the being that controlled the reapers to destroy organics in the first place and wishful thinking we could've destroyed the citadel all along the catalyst has always existed within the citadel and all the forces would have to do is focus all their fire thanix cannons and nukes and whatever else on the citadel

If the catalyst dies or fades away then the thing controling the reapers will vanish and either a they will go mad and destroy each other or two they may be more willing to listen to what shepard has to say and just may cease their battle with us with the catalyst no longer controlling them or dictating their actions

You see the crucible as the only way to win I do not you thinking that you have to play god to beat the reapers you don't all the alliance would have to do is focus their fire and destroy the citadel will the citadel go super nova probably but if the alliance and all our forces hit ftl or hit the mass relay before the mass relay and the citadel is destroyed we could beat the reapers

Sure will we lose the earth solar system yeah you betcha but most of the forces I brought to the fight could survive and all the humans who are in the alliance could rebuild in other solar system hell we already habve colonies in other solar systems


Bottom line is that no race would have to go extinct and it would still be a better ending then the crucible choices friend

Modifié par LiarasShield, 21 août 2012 - 01:37 .

[Mazebook]

Seival wrote...

Added link to the poll to OP

how about a all of the them option?

[DirtyPhoenix]

remake the poll, and replace none of above with all of above.

[LiarasShield]

The whole point is that their still another way to beat the reapers despite just using the crucible

[DirtyPhoenix]

You can't know for sure destroying the citadel would destroy the reapers. You are taking a blind risk. Just like choosing an RGB option.

[LiarasShield]

pirate1802 wrote...

You can't know for sure destroying the citadel would destroy the reapers. You are taking a blind risk. Just like choosing an RGB option.

Yes but it would still be better to me then using the crucible and it would still be better then how some make out refuse to be

[Pitznik]

LiarasShield wrote...

Their still is no justification for using the crucible none at all you're still playing god and using a powerful magic device to destroy your own forces fuse all dna in the galaxy to be part machine or organic or you're becomnig the being that controlled the reapers to destroy organics in the first place and wishful thinking we could've destroyed the citadel all along the catalyst has always existed within the citadel and all the forces would have to do is focus all their fire thanix cannons and nukes and whatever else on the citadel

Refusing to use it on behalf of the galaxy is also playing god. You're stuck, each of your possible decisions will have grave consequences.

LiarasShield wrote...

You see the crucible as the only way to win I do not you thinking that you have to play god to beat the reapers you don't all the alliance would have to do is focus their fire and destroy the citadel will the citadel go super nova probably but if the alliance and all our forces hit ftl or hit the mass relay before the mass relay and the citadel is destroyed we could beat the reapers

I can't see how your headcanon can be used as an arguement. I don't really care of "what could have be", neither should Shepard. You can't argue about knowing the ME reality better than the writers or the fictional people who live there. We have no idea what would be the consequences of destroying the CItadel, we have no idea if that is even possible, we have no idea if Shepard can even communicate such idea to the Sword Fleet. If you want, write the story about it, but it still will be your story, nothing more.

[LiarasShield]

Pitznik wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Their still is no justification for using the crucible none at all you're still playing god and using a powerful magic device to destroy your own forces fuse all dna in the galaxy to be part machine or organic or you're becomnig the being that controlled the reapers to destroy organics in the first place and wishful thinking we could've destroyed the citadel all along the catalyst has always existed within the citadel and all the forces would have to do is focus all their fire thanix cannons and nukes and whatever else on the citadel

Refusing to use it on behalf of the galaxy is also playing god. You're stuck, each of your possible decisions will have grave consequences.

LiarasShield wrote...

You see the crucible as the only way to win I do not you thinking that you have to play god to beat the reapers you don't all the alliance would have to do is focus their fire and destroy the citadel will the citadel go super nova probably but if the alliance and all our forces hit ftl or hit the mass relay before the mass relay and the citadel is destroyed we could beat the reapers

I can't see how your headcanon can be used as an arguement. I don't really care of "what could have be", neither should Shepard. You can't argue about knowing the ME reality better than the writers or the fictional people who live there. We have no idea what would be the consequences of destroying the CItadel, we have no idea if that is even possible, we have no idea if Shepard can even communicate such idea to the Sword Fleet. If you want, write the story about it, but it still will be your story, nothing more.

Now your pushing your limit of playing blind with your eyes or your ears

You do know that shepards radio was still working and that hackett told shepard the crucible was not firing
Shepard could've told hackett to have all the forces fire on the citadel and then retreat using the mass relay

The catalyst has always existed in the citadel he is the reaper collective he even stated that that the citadel is apart of him and that the citadel is his home

The destruction of the reaper collective may defeat the reapers our release the control of the catalyst so that shepard may have a chance of talking with the reapers and yes they're still better options then you using the crucible or you debating with me on how evil refuse is

The forces could go ftl or use the mass relay before the citadel explosion destroys our earth solar system and everybody on earth


But the humans who fought inspace the humans in other colonies and all the forces shepard brought with him or her could still survive

It would still be better then destroy because not once race would go extinct we would just lose the earth solar system and earth


Also if the catlayst doesn't like you picking destroy did you ever think about it honestly if destroy destroys the citadel or causes damage to the citadel that may explain why the catalyst or the reapers can not go on without the citadel intact

[Oni Changas]

The Ultimate Apologist Thread is still up? Damn.

[LiarasShield]

OniTYME wrote...

The Ultimate Apologist Thread is still up? Damn.

The main reason this thread is still going because everyone can't agree that the crucibles endings are the best option or which ending is best  option to take among the crucible choices.

[DirtyPhoenix]

You are saying the catalyst is the Reaper collective, yet you say he resides wholly in the citadel, when the thing itself states the Citadel is only a part of it.

[Pitznik]

LiarasShield wrote...

You do know that shepards radio was still working and that hackett told shepard the crucible was not firing
Shepard could've told hackett to have all the forces fire on the citadel and then retreat using the mass relay

That was before the Catalyst. Shepard never uses his radio in his room.

LiarasShield wrote...

It would still be better then destroy because not once race would go extinct we would just lose the earth solar system and earth

It doesn't matter if race goes extinct or not, it is casualties that count. Geth technically can't even go extinct - there is no Geth DNA to be lost, or anything like that. But why would that even matter?

LiarasShield wrote...

Also if the catlayst doesn't like you picking destroy did you ever think about it honestly if destroy destroys the citadel or causes damage to the citadel that may explain why the catalyst or the reapers can not go on without the citadel intact

You had to miss the part where destroy destroys the Reapers, not only the Citadel. I think the reason Reapers can't go on after destroy has more to do with the destroyed Reapers and less with the destroyed Citadel.

- do you know if it is possible to destroy the Citadel? The answer is no.
- do you know if destruction of the Citadel would affect the Reapers? The answer is no.

So headcanon, nothing more.

Modifié par Pitznik, 21 août 2012 - 03:09 .

[LiarasShield]

pirate1802 wrote...

You are saying the catalyst is the Reaper collective, yet you say he resides wholly in the citadel, when the thing itself states the Citadel is only a part of it.

He even said that the citadel was his home please for love of god just relisten to the talk with him I don't know if it was pre extended or not but it was in the conversation with him

[DirtyPhoenix]

LiarasShield wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

The Ultimate Apologist Thread is still up? Damn.

The main reason this thread is still going because everyone can't agree that the crucibles endings are the best option or which ending is best option to take among the crucible choices.

Is that necessarily a bad thing? Would it be better if a single choice was head and shoulders above the rest so there was no point in debating? I see it as a good thing that every choice is debatable.

[LiarasShield]

Pitznik wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You do know that shepards radio was still working and that hackett told shepard the crucible was not firing
Shepard could've told hackett to have all the forces fire on the citadel and then retreat using the mass relay

That was before the Catalyst. Shepard never uses his radio in

LiarasShield wrote...

It would still be better then destroy because not once race would go extinct we would just lose the earth solar system and earth

It doesn't matter if race goes extinct or not, it is casualties that count. Geth technically can't even go extinct - there is no Geth DNA to be lost, or anything like that. But why would that even matter?

LiarasShield wrote...

Also if the catlayst doesn't like you picking destroy did you ever think about it honestly if destroy destroys the citadel or causes damage to the citadel that may explain why the catalyst or the reapers can not go on without the citadel intact

You had to miss the part where destroy destroys the Reapers, not only the Citadel. I think the reason Reapers can't go on after destroy has more to do with the destroyed Reapers and less with the destroyed Citadel.

- do you know if it is possible to destroy the Citadel? The answer is no.
- do you know if destruction of the Citadel would affect the Reapers? The answer is no.

So headcanon, nothing more.

no silly it isn't just headcannon it is you being stuborn or blind the tube that you shoot with your pistol is apart of the crucible or the citadel that you're destroying it is causing damage to the citadel or the crucible its self before causing a huge explosion and causing the red beam to burst outward across the galaxy their is only a limit to how much foolishness I'm able to put up with you about


And yes the geth are beings doesn't even matter about

dna

And cause of the destruction of all synthetics it probably take a long tiem for the geth to come back if they are even able to come back as themselves at all

(Also another main reason why I think shepard doesn't live in this ending)


Because shepards body has a lot of synthetics from project lazarus or are you going to just blindjump that one to?

[Pitznik]

LiarasShield wrote...

no silly it isn't just headcannon it is you being stuborn or blind the tube that you shoot with your pistol is apart of the crucible or the citadel that you're destroying it is causing damage to the citadel or the crucible its self before causing a huge explosion and causing the red beam to burst outward across the galaxy their is only a limit to how much foolishness I'm able to put up with you about

Going with your ridiculous logic destroying the Citadel would also kill all the Geth and AIs. You can't make an analogy here, destroy destroys both Reapers and the Citadel, but that doesn't mean destroying the Citadel would destroy Reapers. You are confusing cause and effect.

LiarasShield wrote...

And yes the geth are beings doesn't even matter about

They are. It still doesn't make killing 7 billion humans better than killing less number of Geth, even if that would make the Geth extinct.

LiarasShield wrote...

Because shepards body has a lot of synthetics from project lazarus or are you going to just blindjump that one to?

Shepard has plenty of tech in him, but those aren't any more synthetic life than your PC. Low EMS red destroys all tech, Shepard dies. High EMS red destroys only Reapers and synthetic life. Shepard lives.

Unless you think Shepard is synthetic life, but like I said before, I can't discuss with your headcanon, it is yours. Just like official ME is Bioware's, and they decide if it is possible and reasonable to destroy the Citadel, or not.

[Oni Changas]

Arguing which of the RGB is better is like having a debate about the comforts of receiving a dirty sanchez, getting stabbed in the ass cheek with a soldering iron, or a Cleveland steamer.

[Pitznik]

OniTYME wrote...

Arguing which of the RGB is better is like having a debate about the comforts of receiving a dirty sanchez, getting stabbed in the ass cheek with a soldering iron, or a Cleveland steamer.

You must be lost. This is ME3 forums, thread -supporting- the endings. You were probably looking for some coprophiles' forum, can't help you getting there, not exactly my thing. But, to each his own.