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[DirtyPhoenix]

Nice to see this thread up again. I loved the Leviathan DLC, easily on par with LotSB. It had a sense of mystery to it, capped by that underwater journey, absolutely loved it. the moment we encounter Levy is similar to the time when we first encountered Sovvy back in E1. It played out almost the way i expected it to, and foreshadowed the kid. If only they had included this in the main game. I think they have realized some of the problems with the endings and are fixing them, first through the EC and now with Leviathan.

I heard that this DLC somehow invalidates Destroy, personally I don't see how. destroy IMO, is all about facing a future that is not set in stone, on our own terms, free from the Reaper's influence. So we (who picked destroy) should always expect a bigger threat lurking out there somewhere. Now that enemy has a face and name, what's the big issue? These Leviathans seem weak anyways, they need their blue balls to do their magic, live on a single planet, can't move out of it, and their blue balls break fairly easily. Their artifacts can anyways, be easily shielded. So I don't see what's the big deal here. If any person is that worried about the future maybe he shouldn't pick destroy in the first place. If anything, I think they become more dangerous in Synthesis; they get a connection to everyone's minds and don't need their blue balls to indoctrinate someone.

About the Leviathan's orientation, I think they are more like Chaotic neutral. they were the apex species of the galaxy once, they re-purposed and enslaved the other lesser species, just like we humans are the apex species on earth and we use other species for our needs. Some people see them as unimaginably horrific for what they did, they just did what we are doing on earth, on a larger scale. My views ofcourse.

[Seival]

How can the DLC invalidate Destroy? Well, the Reapers are gone (at least for a while), and people remain without a wise leaders to prevent them from making the same mistakes again.

This time, Leviathans will definitely perform some much more harsh steps to protect lesser beings from themselves. Steps like total control over each race and each individual. People will have much less freedoms and no way to break free, or at least become less influenced...

...This is the fate of the Destroyers, I believe. I'm really sorry for them. They killed EDI and the Geth, they didn't give Quarians a chance to cure their immune system fast enough, and for what? To become thralls instead of harvested.

Modifié par Seival, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[BrookerT]

The Leviathan are a contentious point in all endings, I truly believe that Leviathan is a set up for mass effect 4, mass shift or whatever

[MegaSovereign]

The Leviathans aren't as threatening as the Reapers.

They lack their military strength and their indoctrination abilities are severely limited compared to the Reapers.

They're about as threatening as the thorian.

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathans aren't as threatening as the Reapers.

They lack their military strength and their indoctrination abilities are severely limited compared to the Reapers.

They're about as threatening as the thorian.

I agree with this-they are also at least organic and apparently vulnerable in ways the reapers aren't. 

[DirtyPhoenix]

BrookerT wrote...

The Leviathan are a contentious point in all endings, I truly believe that Leviathan is a set up for mass effect 4, mass shift or whatever

I think they are meant to teh bad guys of the next Mass Effect game, whatever that is. This DLC is acting as  foreshadowing.

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathans aren't as threatening as the Reapers.

They lack their military strength and their indoctrination abilities are severely limited compared to the Reapers.

They're about as threatening as the thorian.

Agreed.
They are similar to the Thorian on many levels. They both stay rooted to a place and control people through their toys (spores and artifacts). They control also seems to leave little long-term effect on the sunject (that is, unlike reaper indoctrination which is mentally damaging). I don't see them that big a threat. Easy meat compared to the Reapers..

Modifié par pirate1802, 01 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...
This time, Leviathans will definitely perform some much more harsh steps to protect lesser beings from themselves. Steps like total control over each race and each individual. People will have much less freedoms and no way to break free, or at least become less influenced...

Why do I get the feeling you agree with whatever the leviathans did/will do..

[Meteor_VII]

I agree with the idea of the Leviathans not being that bad of an enemy.

You have to figure that even if you do destroy ending and that say they eventually say that shepard dies anyway (high ems or low) that the rest of your crew knows about this race and their abilities. Same for Ann if you saved her. Also you know what planet they are on (for the most part - maybe there are other cells of them). But all the alliance or any other race for that matter has to do is either put a ship detail at the planet to early warning of them or destroy the planet from orbit.

Just seems like too many easy ways for your forces to keep them at bay if they get uppity.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...
This time, Leviathans will definitely perform some much more harsh steps to protect lesser beings from themselves. Steps like total control over each race and each individual. People will have much less freedoms and no way to break free, or at least become less influenced...

Why do I get the feeling you agree with whatever the leviathans did/will do..

I always liked Druids in D&D. Leviathans remind me them so much... I like that race

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathans aren't as threatening as the Reapers.

They lack their military strength and their indoctrination abilities are severely limited compared to the Reapers.

They're about as threatening as the thorian.

I think you are underestimating their strengh and power VERY much (even through they were defeated and almost destroyed). And once the Reapers will stop interrupting them, they will fully recover really fast I suppose.

They are not a threat to anyone but the original Catalyst. And I doubt they ever had an "army" or "millitary forces". They just have tools and skills. Each of them can fulfill any role.

Modifié par Seival, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[Mazebook]

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

Modifié par maaaze, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[3DandBeyond]

maaaze wrote...

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

This is actually the best thing you've ever said.  It would be plenty awful to have the Leviathans be the new villains-as you said, it would be too much like the reapers, ReapersII.  I could see there being something more involving the Beings of Light, but am wondering if that might not become DLC.  Perhaps the Leviathan lied or created more than one catalyst.

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

I think there will be no ME4. But I'm sure we will learn more about the Leviathans in the future ME Universe game(s). Also, I'm sure they never were villains, and never will be.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

I think there will be no ME4. But I'm sure we will learn more about the Leviathans in the future ME Universe game(s). Also, I'm sure they never were villains, and never will be.

No company would close off a potential source of revenue so ME4 or some other named game will very possibly exist-once they make a real decent canon win ending that is.

Leviathans classify themselves as villains.

[Mazebook]

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

I think there will be no ME4. But I'm sure we will learn more about the Leviathans in the future ME Universe game(s). Also, I'm sure they never were villains, and never will be.

Whatever it will be called. ( I actually like the Mass Shift name). What I actually want is to play someone who is not in the millitary. Some trader/pirate  Han Solo type...would be awsome.

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

I think there will be no ME4. But I'm sure we will learn more about the Leviathans in the future ME Universe game(s). Also, I'm sure they never were villains, and never will be.

Whatever it will be called. ( I actually like the Mass Shift name). What I actually want is to play someone who is not in the millitary. Some trader/pirate  Han Solo type...would be awsome.

Yes, Mass Shift is actually a very nice name for a new RPG Trilogy in based on MEU, and on reserved Dark Energy plot. Leviathans could have a very important positive role in such trilogy. And new protagonist could actually help them (not from the very beginning of course) to solve a galactic-scale problem, which is much more ancient, misterious, and dangerous than the Reapers and their creators combined.

As I said, I hope the new RPG Trilogy will have:
 - ME3 save import feature. 
 - Shepard's Asari doughter as one of possible protagonists.
 - Matriarch Liara captaining the Destiny Ascension (captain status is a cover, because she is still the Shadow Broker).
 - Destiny Ascension as the new "Normandy" through the entire trilogy.
 - Best RPG features from ME Trilogy, and much more.
 - The mix of true sci-fi game/book/movie/music in one perfect product.
 - The amazing atmosphere we never experienced before even in ME Trilogy itself.

Mass Shift is a dream... A dream that only BioWare can make real. And I'll be the happiest fan in the world, if BioWare will do it eventually.

Modifié par Seival, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:35 .

[Seival]

Thinking about Mass Shift and watching the Liviathan DLC final scene is so exciting

[The Night Mammoth]

The ending is bad and you should feel bad for supporting it.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The ending is bad and you should feel bad for supporting it.

I thought you like Control ending... Never mind.


For me ME Trilogy Ending is perfect. And now I have a new dream: Mass Shift  

[JeffZero]

I feel pretty good, actually.

[Seival]

Female Leviathan LI for Shepard's Asari doughter... That would be brilliant. They could have meetings in imaginary environment, similar to the Leviathan dialogue scene in DLC. And in that environment Leviathan could look like human female.

[Uncle Jo]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathans aren't as threatening as the Reapers.

They lack their military strength and their indoctrination abilities are severely limited compared to the Reapers.

They're about as threatening as the thorian.

We don't exactly know how many of them are left.

True for the military strenght but their indoctrination abilities are apparently sufficient to make them brag about enslaving the Reapers.

Never saw the Thorian stun/shoot down a sovereign class ship.

Also their arrogance is beyond Sovereign's, they'll very likely try to regain their "true" place in the galaxy after the reaper threat is eliminated, which is bad news for the other races.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:55 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

maaaze wrote...

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

Yeah I thought about that and realized, that rather than being out-and-out villains it'll be much better if they are neutral, chaotic neutral as i said. Much better that way. Having them as Reapers II would be too much of a cliche sadly. And I kinda like them, if they stay within their neutral territory. Meeting the in the depths of the ocean gave me that Sovereign feeling all over again.

And I definitely think they'll be making a sequel, ME4 or whatever named.

[DirtyPhoenix]

double post

Modifié par pirate1802, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

maaaze wrote...

I don´t think they will be the main Villains. Just because they are to similar to the Reapers.
They will be more ambivalent than that. The relationship will be tense. They will claim some sectors.
They gonna get their own story -arcs...maybe a cult that will see them as gods.
I think they fill more the role of ME 2 Cerberus. the ambivalent plot driving forward force.

I think ME 4 will be about rediscovery and how this new Universe will govern itself, with a bit personal drama.

Yeah I thought about that and realized, that rather than being out-and-out villains it'll be much better if they are neutral, chaotic neutral as i said. Much better that way. Having them as Reapers II would be too much of a cliche sadly. And I kinda like them, if they stay within their neutral territory. Meeting the in the depths of the ocean gave me that Sovereign feeling all over again.

And I definitely think they'll be making a sequel, ME4 or whatever named.

I believe sequel with the new protagonist is the only way. So much space to create a truly amazing sci-fi story.