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[Shadow Storm]

I don't know why but the Leviathan dlc put me more at ease with the ending. One thing that annoyed me most was the Star Childs ability to delve into Shepards mind without supporting the IT. Given leviathans ability to easily tap into Shepards mind it puts alot into perspective for me. (Not to say i wouldn't have preferred a less defeatest ending but there it is)

[Seival]

Raiden Storm wrote...

I don't know why but the Leviathan dlc put me more at ease with the ending. One thing that annoyed me most was the Star Childs ability to delve into Shepards mind without supporting the IT. Given leviathans ability to easily tap into Shepards mind it puts alot into perspective for me. (Not to say i wouldn't have preferred a less defeatest ending but there it is)

Yes, mind-controlling and mental-communicating abilities are just analogies of our persuade skills and verbal communications. Much more advanced and effective analogies, but that doesn't mean those abilities can only be used to enslave someone.

Modifié par Seival, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[Reever]

The threat of the Leviathan is a known one after Shep discovered them. That´s why I figure there are already some strategies in place to counter them and their indoctrination (safe guards against the orbs etc.).

That´s my headcanon, anyway. Some of my Sheps are willing to choose destroy even witht the possible threat of Leviathan on the horizon!

[Seival]

Why do I have a feeling that Crucible design was "leaked" to the lesser races by the Leviathans?

[DirtyPhoenix]

BlueDemonX wrote...

The threat of the Leviathan is a known one after Shep discovered them. That´s why I figure there are already some strategies in place to counter them and their indoctrination (safe guards against the orbs etc.).

That´s my headcanon, anyway. Some of my Sheps are willing to choose destroy even witht the possible threat of Leviathan on the horizon!

Honestly I don't see them as that big a threat. They are militarily weak and their indoctrination is only a shadow of the reaper's indoctrination and can be easily countered. I mean I don't pick destroy that often, but if I did, I won't be suddenly scared into picking another option by hiding cuttlefishes.

[JeffZero]

Yeah, I'm really not feeling the concern re: Leviathans. If it comes to pass in future titles that they are indeed a massive threat, I'll take it in relative stride but I'll be fairly surprised.

[Seival]

Leviathans don't even look aggressive. They are perfect candidates for positive role in future titles.

[Pitznik]

Raiden Storm wrote...

I don't know why but the Leviathan dlc put me more at ease with the ending. One thing that annoyed me most was the Star Childs ability to delve into Shepards mind without supporting the IT. Given leviathans ability to easily tap into Shepards mind it puts alot into perspective for me. (Not to say i wouldn't have preferred a less defeatest ending but there it is)

Remember that TIM was controlled (not fully, but still) by the Reapers, and mere seconds before TIM was controlling (not fully, but still) Shepard. So Catalyst could glimpse some of Shepard's thoughts during that moment, doesn't necessarily mean he still is inside Shepard's mind. As I see it, this is AI's clumsy attempt to have better bargaining position, to appeal to Shepard's emotions.

Seival wrote...

Why do I have a feeling that Crucible design was "leaked" to the lesser races by the Leviathans?

Well, that is perfectly valid idea. Someone who designed the Crucible had to know at least something about how the Reapers operate, how are they controlled. That knowledge in theory could be a result of some careful analysis, made by some ancient cycle's equivalent of Professor Solus, but it could also simply be the knowledge of Catalyst's creators, passed down the generations of Leviathans. They could construct it themselves by the hands of their thralls, but their current capabilities are very limited, so just letting organics have it, without revealing themselves makes perfect sense.

I wish that Crucible's nature was expanded on a little in future DLCs, putting some light on its exact capabilities. That would take away some speculation from the ending, but making it clear that Crucible isn't exactly doing what Reapers want would put quite a few minds at ease.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Yep, if they could somehow tie the crucible's origin with the Leviathans and explain better how the crucible brings about the three choices in future DLCs, that would remove virtually all of my complaints about the endings.

[Seival]

Just finished my second fan art.
BSN definitely requires more Liara... And more Control

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Yep, if they could somehow tie the crucible's origin with the Leviathans and explain better how the crucible brings about the three choices in future DLCs, that would remove virtually all of my complaints about the endings.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Crucible design was indeed "leaked" to the lesser races by Leviathans.

You know, I even start to believe that Leviathans were more friendly to each Galactic Civilization than each Galactic Civilization to itself...

...I think my next fan art will be about Leviathans

[Seival]

...All of this getting more and more interesting. BioWare has The Best Title humanity ever made. I'm waiting for big announcements with great impatience

[Mazebook]

@Seival really beautiful artwork...I just ask myself how Catalyst-Shepard communicates with his friends...through the Reapers? Through the Citadel?...

I am about to finish my first control Shepard journey right know...looking forward to see the control ending for myself.

about the Leviathans and crucible. I don´t think they made the plans but saw potential in them...
so they got the idea out to involve the Citadel (Catalyst) into its design. Because the first drafts of the plans did not involve the Citadel itself (told by prothean VI.).

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

@Seival really beautiful artwork...I just ask myself how Catalyst-Shepard communicates with his friends...through the Reapers? Through the Citadel?...

I am about to finish my first control Shepard journey right know...looking forward to see the control ending for myself.

about the Leviathans and crucible. I don´t think they made the plans but saw potential in them...
so they got the idea out to involve the Citadel (Catalyst) into its design. Because the first drafts of the plans did not involve the Citadel itself (told by prothean VI.).

Thanks

I think that Catalyst-Shepard has two effective ways to communicate with organics: mental communication (like in conversation with the original Catalyst) and holograms (like in conversation with Harbinger in Arrival DLC).

Leviathan reacted on the question about the Crucible very strange. It clearly didn't tell all the truth. And more I think about it, more I believe that Crucible was designed by the Leviathans. Can't explained it more detailed for now... Just have a feeling, that I'm right

[Seival]

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[Seival]

Uncle Jo wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathans aren't as threatening as the Reapers.

They lack their military strength and their indoctrination abilities are severely limited compared to the Reapers.

They're about as threatening as the thorian.

We don't exactly know how many of them are left.

True for the military strenght but their indoctrination abilities are apparently sufficient to make them brag about enslaving the Reapers.

Never saw the Thorian stun/shoot down a sovereign class ship.

Also their arrogance is beyond Sovereign's, they'll very likely try to regain their "true" place in the galaxy after the reaper threat is eliminated, which is bad news for the other races.

I believe that "stun/shoot" was a Mind Blast. I wonder how many sovereign-class ships a single Leviathan can kill... No surprise people are just a bacteria for them. And I wanna note that Leviathans are quite respectful to those bacteria.

[3DandBeyond]

maaaze wrote...

@Seival really beautiful artwork...I just ask myself how Catalyst-Shepard communicates with his friends...through the Reapers? Through the Citadel?...

I am about to finish my first control Shepard journey right know...looking forward to see the control ending for myself.

about the Leviathans and crucible. I don´t think they made the plans but saw potential in them...
so they got the idea out to involve the Citadel (Catalyst) into its design. Because the first drafts of the plans did not involve the Citadel itself (told by prothean VI.).

Shreaper doesn't.  The ex-reaper god said so.  And the reaper god kid wouldn't lie, now would he?

The only way would be through a new crucible when the galaxy wants to get rid of it.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:22 .

[JeffZero]

Amazing artwork, Seival.

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Shreaper doesn't.  The ex-reaper god said so.  And the reaper god kid wouldn't lie, now would he?

The only way would be through a new crucible when the galaxy wants to get rid of it.

Translate that please. I don't quite understand what are you talking about.

[Seival]

JeffZero wrote...

Amazing artwork, Seival.

Thanks

[Pitznik]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Shreaper doesn't.  The ex-reaper god said so.  And the reaper god kid wouldn't lie, now would he?

The only way would be through a new crucible when the galaxy wants to get rid of it.

Translate that please. I don't quite understand what are you talking about.

3D has a theory that Shepard AI can't communicate with anyone. I have -no idea- where she got it from.

[3DandBeyond]

Pitznik wrote...

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Shreaper doesn't.  The ex-reaper god said so.  And the reaper god kid wouldn't lie, now would he?

The only way would be through a new crucible when the galaxy wants to get rid of it.

Translate that please. I don't quite understand what are you talking about.

3D has a theory that Shepard AI can't communicate with anyone. I have -no idea- where she got it from.

From the game.  You know the part where he says you will lose your connection with the people you know.  Theories, good one.  Reading and listening actually works far better.

[Mazebook]

3DandBeyond wrote...

maaaze wrote...

@Seival really beautiful artwork...I just ask myself how Catalyst-Shepard communicates with his friends...through the Reapers? Through the Citadel?...

I am about to finish my first control Shepard journey right know...looking forward to see the control ending for myself.

about the Leviathans and crucible. I don´t think they made the plans but saw potential in them...
so they got the idea out to involve the Citadel (Catalyst) into its design. Because the first drafts of the plans did not involve the Citadel itself (told by prothean VI.).

Shreaper doesn't.  The ex-reaper god said so.  And the reaper god kid wouldn't lie, now would he?

The only way would be through a new crucible when the galaxy wants to get rid of it.

He is also not all knowing, he simply could be wrong or underestimates Shepards capebilities ones more.

CatalystShaperds abilties dont have to be limited the same way  the catalyst is.
I think it is more likely that he will be able to establish a connection with his old friends. 

Modifié par maaaze, 06 septembre 2012 - 11:16 .

[Pitznik]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Shreaper doesn't.  The ex-reaper god said so.  And the reaper god kid wouldn't lie, now would he?

The only way would be through a new crucible when the galaxy wants to get rid of it.

Translate that please. I don't quite understand what are you talking about.

3D has a theory that Shepard AI can't communicate with anyone. I have -no idea- where she got it from.

From the game.  You know the part where he says you will lose your connection with the people you know.  Theories, good one.  Reading and listening actually works far better.

Losing the connection is equal to "not being able to communicate with"? That's a pretty hardcore interpretation. I'm  also sure it is pretty wrong.

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Shreaper doesn't.  The ex-reaper god said so.  And the reaper god kid wouldn't lie, now would he?

The only way would be through a new crucible when the galaxy wants to get rid of it.

Translate that please. I don't quite understand what are you talking about.

3D has a theory that Shepard AI can't communicate with anyone. I have -no idea- where she got it from.

From the game.  You know the part where he says you will lose your connection with the people you know.  Theories, good one.  Reading and listening actually works far better.

...And understanding what you have heard and read is even more better. Shepard-Catalyst is not a human or even organic being - this is what losing connection means in that context. That was not about losing ability to communicate.

Modifié par Seival, 06 septembre 2012 - 11:55 .