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[BrookerT]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Mass Effect 3 endings suck

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Oppinion

First, it's "opinion" second, don't lie to yourself.

It's your opinion they suck, it's his opinion they don't. No one is lying

Well, go replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 right through, same Shepard back to back and if you tell me that you were satisfied I'd say your lying.

I'm satisfied, I'm not lying.

[MerchantGOL]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon

Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.

Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.

yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.

Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.

yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some  bs up for me to knock down


i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe

RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.

How is Synthesis removing diversity?

What? Did you even play the game? Synthesis creates a "new DNA" and makes everyone the same. Same is not diversity.

This is bull 

a Quarian is still a quarian, a krogan is stil a krogan, their sepcies individual dna is alterd but the the organic parts are still diffrent.

The catalyst never says its getting rid of diversity, only that its jumping to the last stage of evolution.


Synthesis gives the races a way to under stand eachother easier, which is the key to true peace.

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 06 août 2012 - 10:00 .

[estebanus]

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon

Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.

Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.

yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.

Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.

yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some  bs up for me to knock down


i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe

1. There is no such thing as a matrix of organic life.

2. How come mr. sparkles didn't open the citadel relay in ME1? I mean, apparently he's got the power over the citadel.

3. How come Anderson makes it to the citadel after Shepard even though he's not seen at all before then?

4. Why doesn't Harby gun down the Normandy? And don't say reaper IFF, because that one sure as hell didn't come in handy when traversing the galaxy map.

5. Why does the Normandy even crash on the planet? It makes even less sense now, since it isn't even effected by the crucible.

6. Why isn't the Normandy torn to shreds? It states in the codex that if a ship is suddenly ripped out of FTL, it gets ripped apart.

7. The catalyst's explanation of the "fire burns" analogy is completely out of order. Yes, fire may burn to solve a problem, but fire is, again, created. However, fire in itself is more of a lifegiving force than a deathbringing one. Reapers do nothing to bring life. They only exterminate it. In that way, reapers represent the worst part of fire.

8. The entire "creates synthetic life to kill organic life so that synthetic life doesn't kill organic life" makes no sense. Why would they seek to destroy each other? Why be so nihilistic about something that was proven in the game itself to be wrong? Why simply disregard it?

And now to the central themes. One of the central themes in the series is, indeed, to beat the odds. However, the endings force you to let your own work be brushed aside for the options presented by your enemy. And what does this do?

You accept or you die.

This is even literal in the EC. If you even dare try and go against reaperbieber, you die. Now how's that for beating the odds?

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon

Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.

Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.

yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.

Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.

yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some  bs up for me to knock down


i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe

RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.

How is Synthesis removing diversity?

What? Did you even play the game? Synthesis creates a "new DNA" and makes everyone the same. Same is not diversity.

Did you play the game? Synthesis intergrates organics with technology and gives synthetics understanding and geniune emotions so all being can connect on an emotional level. Everyone still has their appearances. Synthesis does not make everyone the same, don't give me that stupid homogenity argument because it's wrong.

Everyone is still a mix of synthetic and organic. Everyone still has green lines (circuit board look-a-like things) on them and green eyes. As for appearences, I don't look like a girl, does that mean we're different race? 

Basically, the cool thing about ME was how all these races, all with different beliefs, personnalities, and goals, could come together and work together and we were fighting so all these races could live in peace. Synthesis completely destroys this by making everyone the same.

[estebanus]

Well, I won't be bothering you any longer about this. You can have your fun here.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Mass Effect 3 endings suck

/thread

Oppinion

First, it's "opinion" second, don't lie to yourself.

It's your opinion they suck, it's his opinion they don't. No one is lying

Well, go replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 right through, same Shepard back to back and if you tell me that you were satisfied I'd say your lying.

I'm satisfied, I'm not lying.

Wow, you beat those 3 games fast! I'm serious, go replay all 3 and message me in a month 

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

estebanus wrote...

Well, I won't be bothering you any longer about this. You can have your fun here.

No! Don't leave me! Your the only one on my side right now! 

[Pitznik]

estebanus wrote...
And now to the central themes. One of the central themes in the series is, indeed, to beat the odds. However, the endings force you to let your own work be brushed aside for the options presented by your enemy. And what does this do?

You accept or you die.

This is even literal in the EC. If you even dare try and go against reaperbieber, you die. Now how's that for beating the odds?

If you force someone in the corner is that so strange he will try to bargain? Don't accept his BS, and either destroy him and his toys, or take them away from him. Simple. It is not like he has any say in that.

Btw, "beating the odds" is so damn universal is could be a theme of almost every game about conflict and protagonist. Cheap.

[estebanus]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Well, I won't be bothering you any longer about this. You can have your fun here.

No! Don't leave me! Your the only one on my side right now! 

Look, if you wanna complain about the endings, you should probably do it in an anti-ending thread. This one is meant for pro-enders.

[Seival]

BrookerT wrote...

Back on track, does anyone else love the Catalyst's theme?


Really cool piece of music

I like it very much. Almost as much as synthetic life theme:

[Oni Changas]

Child, please

[BrookerT]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon

Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.

Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.

yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.

Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.

yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some  bs up for me to knock down


i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe

RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.

How is Synthesis removing diversity?

What? Did you even play the game? Synthesis creates a "new DNA" and makes everyone the same. Same is not diversity.

Did you play the game? Synthesis intergrates organics with technology and gives synthetics understanding and geniune emotions so all being can connect on an emotional level. Everyone still has their appearances. Synthesis does not make everyone the same, don't give me that stupid homogenity argument because it's wrong.

Everyone is still a mix of synthetic and organic. Everyone still has green lines (circuit board look-a-like things) on them and green eyes. As for appearences, I don't look like a girl, does that mean we're different race? 

Basically, the cool thing about ME was how all these races, all with different beliefs, personnalities, and goals, could come together and work together and we were fighting so all these races could live in peace. Synthesis completely destroys this by making everyone the same.

No, it doesn;t make everyone the same. There is only one sentient race on earth, Human Beings. We are all Organic, we all are born the same way. We all have skin and eyes. We all think, our brains our housed in our skull. If you bring it down to a chemical level, then yes we are all the same.

But everyone is different. We all think, we all believe in different things. Religion, Sexuality, Politics and Morality are indepedant. We are all different. At a chemical level, we are a cookie cutter. At an emotional level, we are a snowflake. We are not all the same. Your argument is wrong. All the races are still different, Krogan still look like Krogan, Turians still look like turians. In fact, your argument is wrong anyway, as there are many different races by default, so it's impossible for everyone to be the same. If you think everone is the same, then you have no respect for individual personalities.

[Conniving_Eagle]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Very few people like refusal.

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon

Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.

Were you watching the Olympics?

what dose that have todo with Jack and Squat?

Nothing. But I'd say it has a lot to do with the endings considering that it is the reason why the Reapers amassed at London.

[Grub Killer8016]

Man, the OP.... his reasoning makes me wanna..... I don't know..... party?

[Conniving_Eagle]

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Man, the OP.... his reasoning makes me wanna..... I don't know..... party?

I'm getting itchy...

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

MerchantGOL wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

i like the endings , you needed to end mass effect on the ideas it was built upon

Tough Choice, Sacrifice, and Compromise.

Not to forget plotholes, betrayal of central themes and complete disregard for any choice the player may have made.

yeah none of that is true, take your whining to another thread please.

Oh, ok then. Explain how this isn't true. Enlighten me. Please do.

yur the one making blanket statments, why dont you bring some  bs up for me to knock down


i can tell you right now Synthetic-human conflict, Unity between races, and the ethics of evolution and science are central themes of the mass effect universe

RIght execpt that mean diversity. Synthesis says the only way to have peace is to remove diversity therefore going against that theme.

How is Synthesis removing diversity?

What? Did you even play the game? Synthesis creates a "new DNA" and makes everyone the same. Same is not diversity.

This is bull 

a Quarian is still a quarian, a krogan is stil a krogan, their sepcies individual dna is alterd but the the organic parts are still diffrent.

The catalyst never says its getting rid of diversity, only that its jumping to the last stage of evolution.


Synthesis gives the races a way to under stand eachother easier, which is the key to true peace.

Okay what makes Mass Effect amazing is that we, the player, can see a beautiful world without huge racism. Still to this day we see racism everywhere, in ME we see a near-perfect galaxy where all these different races can work together and accept each others differences. Synthesis destroys this, you even just said it allows us to understand eachother easier. NO! Mass Effect was awesome because it showed that maybe yes, humanity can evolve and learn to accept differences, by your logic Synthesis says we need help to accept everyone. This kills the idea of humanity evolving and maturing on it's own. By your logic this also destoys the evolution theme of ME. According to synthesis we need to be brainwashed into accepting other people which destroys the dream of us finally being able to mature and evolve on our own, synthesis says no, we need a contruct to evolve us, for us.

[Conniving_Eagle]

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Mass Effect 3 endings suck

/thread

Oppinion

First, it's "opinion" second, don't lie to yourself.

It's your opinion they suck, it's his opinion they don't. No one is lying

Well, go replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 right through, same Shepard back to back and if you tell me that you were satisfied I'd say your lying.

I'm satisfied, I'm not lying.

Are you truly satisfied, Shepard?

[BrookerT]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Mass Effect 3 endings suck

/thread

Oppinion

First, it's "opinion" second, don't lie to yourself.

It's your opinion they suck, it's his opinion they don't. No one is lying

Well, go replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 right through, same Shepard back to back and if you tell me that you were satisfied I'd say your lying.

I'm satisfied, I'm not lying.

Wow, you beat those 3 games fast! I'm serious, go replay all 3 and message me in a month 

I just finished the series again recently, Paragon - Femshep called Maria, romanced Liara, Chose Synthesis. I was satisfied. 

[Grub Killer8016]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Man, the OP.... his reasoning makes me wanna..... I don't know..... party?

I'm getting itchy...

It's like a tingling sensation. You just wanna throw some music on, grab some booze, and dance.

[MerchantGOL]

1. There is no such thing as a matrix of organic life.  

In the Me universe there is

2. How come mr. sparkles didn't open the citadel relay in ME1? I mean, apparently he's got the power over the citadel.

No real power or he would of activated the crucible him self, switchign around the walls inside iss not the same as wokrign the relay system

3. How come Anderson makes it to the citadel after Shepard even though he's not seen at all before then?

you dont see him, he wakes up after you or is just in your blind spot


4. Why doesn't Harby gun down the Normandy? And don't say reaper IFF, because that one sure as hell didn't come in handy when traversing the galaxy map.

you do know the normandy is  a stealth ship right, the fact reapers enver fire on the normandy indicates that the ships stealth drives make them blind to reapers


5. Why does the Normandy even crash on the planet? It makes even less sense now, since it isn't even effected by the crucible.

it still is affected, most likely it knocks its  systems off line

6. Why isn't the Normandy torn to shreds? It states in the codex that if a ship is suddenly ripped out of FTL, it gets ripped apart.

The normandy isn't a normal ship by any means at this point, what with its numerous upgrades



7. The catalyst's explanation of the "fire burns" analogy is completely out of order. Yes, fire may burn to solve a problem, but fire is, again, created. However, fire in itself is more of a lifegiving force than a deathbringing one. Reapers do nothing to bring life. They only exterminate it. In that way, reapers represent the worst part of fire.

This isn't a pot hole just a disagrement of philosphy, one that ignores that the reapers veiw what they do as allowing life to go on.

8. The entire "creates synthetic life to kill organic life so that synthetic life doesn't kill organic life" makes no sense. Why would they seek to destroy each other? Why be so nihilistic about something that was proven in the game itself to be wrong? Why simply disregard it?

Except it might nor be proven wrong, and even if peace is amde with the geth,the war and atrocites on both sides befor the third game still happens, and thats ignoring the fact that its an ancheint god like AI it's logic isnt suposedto make 100% sense as we know it.


And now to the central themes. One of the central themes in the series is, indeed, to beat the odds. However, the endings force you to let your own work be brushed aside for the options presented by your enemy. And what does this do?

Beat the odss so many times comes at the sacrafice of life

You accept or you die.

This is even literal in the EC. If you even dare try and go against reaperbieber, you die. Now how's that for beating the odds?

u still beat the odds and got to the point, you  never had complete control of your fate other wise you would of been able to let the council deal with the rachni, you would of been able to tell T.I,M to  shove it at the beging of  me2.


ME has always been about tough choices and  Sacrafices.

[BrookerT]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Man, the OP.... his reasoning makes me wanna..... I don't know..... party?

I'm getting itchy...

I feel I need to argue a little bit more

[MegaSovereign]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Mass Effect 3 endings suck

/thread

Oppinion

First, it's "opinion" second, don't lie to yourself.

It's your opinion they suck, it's his opinion they don't. No one is lying

Well, go replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 right through, same Shepard back to back and if you tell me that you were satisfied I'd say your lying.

I'm satisfied, I'm not lying.

Are you truly satisfied, Shepard?

Why is it hard to believe and why do you even care? 

[Grub Killer8016]

BrookerT wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Man, the OP.... his reasoning makes me wanna..... I don't know..... party?

I'm getting itchy...

I feel I need to argue a little bit more

I see

[Conniving_Eagle]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Mass Effect 3 endings suck

/thread

Oppinion

First, it's "opinion" second, don't lie to yourself.

It's your opinion they suck, it's his opinion they don't. No one is lying

Well, go replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 right through, same Shepard back to back and if you tell me that you were satisfied I'd say your lying.

I'm satisfied, I'm not lying.

Are you truly satisfied, Shepard?

Why is it hard to believe and why do you even care? 

Because I love BSN.

BSN matters to me.

I exist, because of BSN.

I can say the same for you.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 06 août 2012 - 10:16 .

[Oni Changas]

Btw, "beating the odds" is so damn universal is could be a theme of almost every game about conflict and protagonist. Cheap.

Look how those games turned out. Fans hate em!

Killing the hero is expensive, yo. You gotta do it in every movie and screw "happy endings." Leave those to Thai massage parlors and synthesis.