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[Henioo]

Now, I may not rememeber everything.

But isn't the Citadel a massive mass relay? I think the statue of the relay was built by the Reapers, and the Protheans only built the conduit and linked it to this one.

It wouldn't make sense for them to build on on site if they didn't even have food with them. Plus the keepers would just dismantle it.

[nos_astra]

Yeah, if the Protheans really built the mini relay, why wouldn't they be able to return to Ilos?

Modifié par klarabella, 06 août 2012 - 09:29 .

[AlanC9]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

I don't see how that wording implies the "art" receiver isn't a specific pair.

Because he says that the Conduit "links to the Citadel, the hub of the relay network". As opposed to saying that one end of the Conduit is on the Citadel, etc.

I concur that's silly for the Presiduum receiver to be the Reaper gateway from dark space

And really, we have to believe something strange either way. The Presidium's an awfully strange place to put experimental mass relay tech.

Now, maybe.. MAYBE.. The reapers did build it and had their own little conduit somewhere that they intended as a failsafe if the primary relay became defunct, but the same block that stopped the primary relay also blocked them getting an agent in through the backdoor relay.  So they had to find the Prothean conduit that basically stole that ability from them.  That is a possibility, but again pure speculation as its never even remotely implied. 

So we believe that, or we believe that the protheans built both ends and the Reapers were just idiots. Even if Bio really did just screw up and this is pure fanwankery, we migh tas well go with the explanation that makes the Reapers non-idiots.

[nos_astra]

AlanC9 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...
This is actually the easiest conundrum to solve.  The relay could indeed be Reaper tech, set there from the beginning of the Citadel, and it could indeed be the receiving end of the Dark Space relay.  Remember, drift of 1500 kilometers is common on a relay jump.  However, the Collectors can jump into a "clear zone" in the galactic core.  Note that this is the first time I've ever even seen this actually used in a discussion, but the Reaper IFF codes for that relay could set them inside the Citadel, but outside the Presidium.

The big conceptual problem that I have with that is the size of the thing. It's nothing like the size of the deep space relays. As a small-scale prothean copy it makes sense. As the primary Reaper gateway from Dark Space it doesn't.

Of course, you can headcanon that it's an alternative gateway for the Reapers to get ground troops onto the Citadel.

Maybe the size is misleading? They build these big relays and teach the new civilizations what a relay is supposed to look like. Then have a smaller one on the Citadel that looks entirely harmless.

I mean, where would the Citadel hide it's massive eezo core anyway? For it's size it's surprisingly delicate.

And why would the Protheans place a part of their super secret mass relay research on the Citadel for everyone to look at? (Edit: AlanC9 beat me to it on post above this.)

Modifié par klarabella, 06 août 2012 - 09:40 .

[phagus]

Henioo wrote...

Now, I may not rememeber everything.

But isn't the Citadel a massive mass relay? I think the statue of the relay was built by the Reapers, and the Protheans only built the conduit and linked it to this one.

It wouldn't make sense for them to build on on site if they didn't even have food with them. Plus the keepers would just dismantle it.

Then the monument must link to something other than a Prothean built prototype on Ilos? If so where is it and why didn't Saren use it?

[robertthebard]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

robertthebard wrote...


This is actually the easiest conundrum to solve.  The relay could indeed be Reaper tech, set there from the beginning of the Citadel, and it could indeed be the receiving end of the Dark Space relay.  Remember, drift of 1500 kilometers is common on a relay jump.  However, the Collectors can jump into a "clear zone" in the galactic core.  Note that this is the first time I've ever even seen this actually used in a discussion, but the Reaper IFF codes for that relay could set them inside the Citadel, but outside the Presidium.

But now your just wildly speculating that the conduit knows the difference when small things want to be on the persidium and big things want to be in space outside.  Theres no implications or evidense pointing to that at all.  All implications point of the mini-relay being built by the protheans specifically as the recieving relay of the conduit line.  Again its all just implications its never spicified, but its better then near baseless speculation. 

(and please excuse all the spelling errors i'm making in this thread, i've been awake for 30 hours. 

Nope, no wild speculation required at all.  The Protheans used the existing exit relay in the Citadel, with their own protocols.  The same way we use the mass relays everywhere else.  The reapers have more control over their tech than we do, no speculation required.  The relay gets one signal from Prothean tech, and does one thing, it gets another signal from Reaper tech, and does something else, even though it's basically the same function, it's just a matter of where objects come out.

But its never implied or stated that thats how it worked even remotely.  Thus its wild speculation. 

I'm sorry, you are absolutely correct, no where, in any of the three games, does it indicate that Reaper tech gives finer control of the relays.  Well, except for that pesky Omega 4 Relay, but hey, that doesn't really count, does it, that was just the Collectors...

[Archer]

So five pages and a big fight and no ones done the "Space Magic" gag yet?

Modifié par eveynameiwantisfekintaken, 06 août 2012 - 09:43 .

[robertthebard]

AlanC9 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...
This is actually the easiest conundrum to solve.  The relay could indeed be Reaper tech, set there from the beginning of the Citadel, and it could indeed be the receiving end of the Dark Space relay.  Remember, drift of 1500 kilometers is common on a relay jump.  However, the Collectors can jump into a "clear zone" in the galactic core.  Note that this is the first time I've ever even seen this actually used in a discussion, but the Reaper IFF codes for that relay could set them inside the Citadel, but outside the Presidium.

The big conceptual problem that I have with that is the size of the thing. It's nothing like the size of the deep space relays. As a small-scale prothean copy it makes sense. As the primary Reaper gateway from Dark Space it doesn't.

Of course, you can headcanon that it's an alternative gateway for the Reapers to get ground troops onto the Citadel.

Does size really matter?  In all the cutscenes where we use it, we are actually channeled beside the relay, not actually in it, and in all cutscenes where we see it, ships come out in various positions beside it.  However, as a focal point for the energy of using it, does it have to be this big huge thing, or is it merely a focal point?  Because if the latter is true, the sheer size of the Citadel, being a relay itself means that it's just where the power would be focused given a specific signal.  The Prothean signal, being different, would have a different effect, just as with the current relays.  The Reaper IFF gave us a much finer control of where we came out when using the Omega 4 Relay, where's the intuitive leap that it would affect the Citadel's "model" relay the same way?  In fact, I'd say it's a logical conclusion that it affects all the relays the same way, not just the Omega 4 Relay.

[robertthebard]

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

So five pages and a big fight and no ones done the "Space Magic" gag yet?

I did use "Reaper IFF"... close enough?

[The Twilight God]

It was already there.

[F4H bandicoot]

After thinking about it:

They build Relay system from Ilos and on Citadel, tell regular people its to honor the innusannon who made the relays, Reapers attack, all records of Ilos removed. Vigil shuts everyone down and does the thin with the pods. Wakes up, travel through Relay, remove keeper signaling stuff.

No where does it say they built the relay after, so they must have built it before. With all records gone the Reapers simply overlooked it as some art, and the protheans had meddled with the keepers so they now just cleaned and maintained the Citadel.

That's how I see it.

[Lord Goose]

Also, anyone thought why Shepard didn't go to the Ilos to enter the Citadel?

[jkflipflopDAO]

3DandBeyond wrote...

phagus wrote...


Indeed and that is the problem. There is so much advanced Prothean tech left all over the galaxy (pyramids,spheres,beacons,Crucible plans in bases, Javik and his Particle Rifle,bits of a Reaper killing canon etc) and even a dead Reaper and now Leviathan, that it makes the Reapers look incompetent. They have had 50k years to clear up.

If the tech wasn't buried and hidden intentionally (which would give the Reapers some excuse as to why the tech wasn't found and destroyed) then it was just left lying around and buried by natural processes. The Reapers have gone from incredibly advanced,intelligent unknowable monsters to utter morons over the course of 3 games.

This is a main part of the problem.  We get this idea that supposedly they rip up the very Earth and take it with them when they leave, but they clearly don't.

With the conduit at London at the end, it's not even clear how that is so much more efficient than the reapers-aren't individual reapers harvesting people?  So what is the conduit for?  And where are the millions of bodies that should be on it if it's that efficient?

Stuff should be tied up (things that matter) at the end.  Little things can be forgotten, but if you start again talking about the reapers taking all resources and only leaving their tech behind to have organics follow a certain path, then it opens up any problem from before.

No offense dude, you don't seem to have a very good grasp of the story at all. You should do more playing and reading and less talking and offering "advice".

[Anvos]

Lord Goose wrote...

Also, anyone thought why Shepard didn't go to the Ilos to enter the Citadel?

Its simple, its because shepard lacks a tank this time around.  No tank equals critical mission failure.  Also its likely it either goes inactive or burns out after you use it.

[robertthebard]

Anvos wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Also, anyone thought why Shepard didn't go to the Ilos to enter the Citadel?

Its simple, its because shepard lacks a tank this time around.  No tank equals critical mission failure.  Also its likely it either goes inactive or burns out after you use it.

I thought about that, but then I remembered the timer to go through it.  I think it may have self destructed after we use it, although I never didn't beat the clock, so I don't know for sure.  I'm working on a Self Righteous Paragon Shepard, and I'm almost there, I'll fail it to see what happens, might be a day or two though, since I have games running in all three, and it's hard as hell for me to play ME 1 any more due to mechanical improvements in the other two.

[F4H bandicoot]

The conduit got moved to Earth apparently, like to some bunker so they could run tests.

[tyrvas]

@ Doctor Moustache,

I never said it was made by the Reapers.
All I said was the keepers maintain the citadel etc...

Anyway phagus gave me a cupcake, and you can't have any (ha ha!).

Modifié par tyrvas, 06 août 2012 - 10:41 .

[3DandBeyond]

phagus wrote...

Quite true. But leaving advanced tech that isn't Reaper around means that the cycle will be broken eventually. As races can upgrade previous cycles tech and not rely on the predictable path of technology the Reapers plan for. A prime example is the Crucible. Prothean tech like the beacons,spheres, discs, pods, particle rifle etc are already far more advanced than anything developed by the present cycle anyway. So leaving them to be found and reverse engineered makes no sense if a predictable technological path is needed for the cycle to work.

Too much speculation...

I agree it's too much speculation here.  I do think that since it's clear the reapers leave some tech untouched there should have at some point been some mention as to why, in order to tie up loose ends.  This as opposed to some repeat references to them wiping everything clean and then seeding the galaxy with their tech.  It could make sense that they leave signs of previous cycles for a reason, perhaps to obfuscate the reality that they left the other tech.  Consider that all the tech people find is thought at first to be Prothean and a lot isn't, like the citadel.  It makes it confusing for subsequent generations.  It also makes them more likely to use what they find.  If the tech is Prothean then it is of this galaxy and not so mysterious.

Part of my issue with the whole series is how everyone just accepts a lot of stuff and use it without question.  I wondered about the citadel and why races would just inhabit it and then not really question the keepers (reapers keepers).  But, I can partly see why they would be ok with it (the citadel, not the keepers) if they thought a known civilization had built it.  If instead everything was a mystery and there were no remnants of earlier civilizations, wouldn't there be a lot more questioning.

Liara thinks everything is Prothean because many things are and anything the reapers made and left are from the same time period as the Protheans, so it all becomes more relatable and believable until they learn the true nature of everything.  But again, this coiuld have been made a bit more clear and not always made to seem as if the reapers strip everything bare.

Of course, this idea of them purposely leaving Prothean stuff lying around in order to make their own tech more well-received and used opens up another problem of the trustworthiness of the crucible.

We can't even agree here on the mass relay monument and its origins and there are good points backing up both opinions-isn't it logical knowing the reapers leave things to be found that pretend to be Prothean that this crucible could be of reaper origin?  Isn't it logical that one person at least would raise the question?

[robertthebard]

3DandBeyond wrote...

phagus wrote...

Quite true. But leaving advanced tech that isn't Reaper around means that the cycle will be broken eventually. As races can upgrade previous cycles tech and not rely on the predictable path of technology the Reapers plan for. A prime example is the Crucible. Prothean tech like the beacons,spheres, discs, pods, particle rifle etc are already far more advanced than anything developed by the present cycle anyway. So leaving them to be found and reverse engineered makes no sense if a predictable technological path is needed for the cycle to work.

Too much speculation...

I agree it's too much speculation here.  I do think that since it's clear the reapers leave some tech untouched there should have at some point been some mention as to why, in order to tie up loose ends.  This as opposed to some repeat references to them wiping everything clean and then seeding the galaxy with their tech.  It could make sense that they leave signs of previous cycles for a reason, perhaps to obfuscate the reality that they left the other tech.  Consider that all the tech people find is thought at first to be Prothean and a lot isn't, like the citadel.  It makes it confusing for subsequent generations.  It also makes them more likely to use what they find.  If the tech is Prothean then it is of this galaxy and not so mysterious.

Part of my issue with the whole series is how everyone just accepts a lot of stuff and use it without question.  I wondered about the citadel and why races would just inhabit it and then not really question the keepers (reapers keepers).  But, I can partly see why they would be ok with it (the citadel, not the keepers) if they thought a known civilization had built it.  If instead everything was a mystery and there were no remnants of earlier civilizations, wouldn't there be a lot more questioning.

Liara thinks everything is Prothean because many things are and anything the reapers made and left are from the same time period as the Protheans, so it all becomes more relatable and believable until they learn the true nature of everything.  But again, this coiuld have been made a bit more clear and not always made to seem as if the reapers strip everything bare.

Of course, this idea of them purposely leaving Prothean stuff lying around in order to make their own tech more well-received and used opens up another problem of the trustworthiness of the crucible.

We can't even agree here on the mass relay monument and its origins and there are good points backing up both opinions-isn't it logical knowing the reapers leave things to be found that pretend to be Prothean that this crucible could be of reaper origin?  Isn't it logical that one person at least would raise the question?

With the exception of the Conduit, isn't most of the Prothean Tech based on what they find, just as countless cycles before?  The basic concept, for example, of the drive cores and tech designed specifically to use the relays, all came from cycles before, and if the Reapers are indeed guiding our development, as Sovereign states, then they want us to find it.  They also want us to use it, so that they know exactly how we're developing, and exactly how to put us down when the time comes.  It's not much of a stretch, if any at all, to see this in all three games.  If it weren't for the discovery on Mars, we'd be barely space capable at the start of ME 1, to my understanding, since the tech jumped us forward a couple of centuries.  We might be expanding into our Solar System, but we'd hardly be anything like ready for interstellar travel.

Even the Conduit is based on Reaper tech, just developed independantly of everything else, since it's just figuring out how existing technology works well enough to build their own relay.

[phagus]

robertthebard wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

phagus wrote...

Quite true. But leaving advanced tech that isn't Reaper around means that the cycle will be broken eventually. As races can upgrade previous cycles tech and not rely on the predictable path of technology the Reapers plan for. A prime example is the Crucible. Prothean tech like the beacons,spheres, discs, pods, particle rifle etc are already far more advanced than anything developed by the present cycle anyway. So leaving them to be found and reverse engineered makes no sense if a predictable technological path is needed for the cycle to work.

Too much speculation...

I agree it's too much speculation here.  I do think that since it's clear the reapers leave some tech untouched there should have at some point been some mention as to why, in order to tie up loose ends.  This as opposed to some repeat references to them wiping everything clean and then seeding the galaxy with their tech.  It could make sense that they leave signs of previous cycles for a reason, perhaps to obfuscate the reality that they left the other tech.  Consider that all the tech people find is thought at first to be Prothean and a lot isn't, like the citadel.  It makes it confusing for subsequent generations.  It also makes them more likely to use what they find.  If the tech is Prothean then it is of this galaxy and not so mysterious.

Part of my issue with the whole series is how everyone just accepts a lot of stuff and use it without question.  I wondered about the citadel and why races would just inhabit it and then not really question the keepers (reapers keepers).  But, I can partly see why they would be ok with it (the citadel, not the keepers) if they thought a known civilization had built it.  If instead everything was a mystery and there were no remnants of earlier civilizations, wouldn't there be a lot more questioning.

Liara thinks everything is Prothean because many things are and anything the reapers made and left are from the same time period as the Protheans, so it all becomes more relatable and believable until they learn the true nature of everything.  But again, this coiuld have been made a bit more clear and not always made to seem as if the reapers strip everything bare.

Of course, this idea of them purposely leaving Prothean stuff lying around in order to make their own tech more well-received and used opens up another problem of the trustworthiness of the crucible.

We can't even agree here on the mass relay monument and its origins and there are good points backing up both opinions-isn't it logical knowing the reapers leave things to be found that pretend to be Prothean that this crucible could be of reaper origin?  Isn't it logical that one person at least would raise the question?

With the exception of the Conduit, isn't most of the Prothean Tech based on what they find, just as countless cycles before?  The basic concept, for example, of the drive cores and tech designed specifically to use the relays, all came from cycles before, and if the Reapers are indeed guiding our development, as Sovereign states, then they want us to find it.  They also want us to use it, so that they know exactly how we're developing, and exactly how to put us down when the time comes.  It's not much of a stretch, if any at all, to see this in all three games.  If it weren't for the discovery on Mars, we'd be barely space capable at the start of ME 1, to my understanding, since the tech jumped us forward a couple of centuries.  We might be expanding into our Solar System, but we'd hardly be anything like ready for interstellar travel.

Even the Conduit is based on Reaper tech, just developed independantly of everything else, since it's just figuring out how existing technology works well enough to build their own relay.

Yes I agree with both of you. The Reapers should leave tech behind on purpose from the previous cycle. They should also know exactly what it is. Leaving anything that has possible info on them, like dead Reapers, memory shards, beacons come to think of it even the Rachni and the Thorian, could expose them and their Citadel trap. Again the cycle could be broken. The same applies to advanced tech that may give the next cycle an advantage against them. Leaving Prothean tech and eezo on Mars makes sense, leaving an archive including a Reaper killing Crucible doesn't. Unless the Reapers are rebelling against their Catalyst's cycle, proving his logic right. Then certain Reapers sneakily leaving stuff intact they shouldn't makes sense...Sovy and Harby I'm looking at you!

[robertthebard]

phagus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

With the exception of the Conduit, isn't most of the Prothean Tech based on what they find, just as countless cycles before?  The basic concept, for example, of the drive cores and tech designed specifically to use the relays, all came from cycles before, and if the Reapers are indeed guiding our development, as Sovereign states, then they want us to find it.  They also want us to use it, so that they know exactly how we're developing, and exactly how to put us down when the time comes.  It's not much of a stretch, if any at all, to see this in all three games.  If it weren't for the discovery on Mars, we'd be barely space capable at the start of ME 1, to my understanding, since the tech jumped us forward a couple of centuries.  We might be expanding into our Solar System, but we'd hardly be anything like ready for interstellar travel.

Even the Conduit is based on Reaper tech, just developed independantly of everything else, since it's just figuring out how existing technology works well enough to build their own relay.

Yes I agree with both of you. The Reapers should leave tech behind on purpose from the previous cycle. They should also know exactly what it is. Leaving anything that has possible info on them, like dead Reapers, memory shards, beacons come to think of it even the Rachni and the Thorian, could expose them and their Citadel trap. Again the cycle could be broken. The same applies to advanced tech that may give the next cycle an advantage against them. Leaving Prothean tech and eezo on Mars makes sense, leaving an archive including a Reaper killing Crucible doesn't. Unless the Reapers are rebelling against their Catalyst's cycle, proving his logic right. Then certain Reapers sneakily leaving stuff intact they shouldn't makes sense...Sovy and Harby I'm looking at you!

We can see how they missed the beacon on Thessia, since it was hidden.  Missing stuff on Mars makes sense too, since we hadn't advanced enough to be harvested in the Prothean cycle, and the Protheans had quit monitoring us, leaving stuff for us to find when/if we got advanced enough for space travel.  It's likely that the Reapers only paid cursory attention to Mars, if they paid any at all.  The tech left on Eden Prime was buried, even then.  It's possible that the neutron purge of the facility left little enough tech running that the Reapers missed it completely, and the beacon found there, in ME 1, could easily have been overlooked.

[phagus]

robertthebard wrote...
We can see how they missed the beacon on Thessia, since it was hidden.  Missing stuff on Mars makes sense too, since we hadn't advanced enough to be harvested in the Prothean cycle, and the Protheans had quit monitoring us, leaving stuff for us to find when/if we got advanced enough for space travel.  It's likely that the Reapers only paid cursory attention to Mars, if they paid any at all.  The tech left on Eden Prime was buried, even then.  It's possible that the neutron purge of the facility left little enough tech running that the Reapers missed it completely, and the beacon found there, in ME 1, could easily have been overlooked.

The Reaper left behind from the cycle before the Protheans should have been monitoring what was going on like Sovereign did. Who ever that Reaper was didn't do a very good job, neither did Sovereign for that matter, as the Crucible's plans still survived. If it was Sovereign then I guess Reapers don't function as a meritocracy. Tech on Thessia or Mars should have been investigated by indoctrinated minions and Reapers before being deemed safe for the next cycle to find. Some overlooked technology is understandable, but for me there seems too much to be coincidence.

Perhaps previous cycles tech didn't survive the 50K year gap because it was less rebust than the Prothean's. So the Reapers probably thought most of what wasn't destroyed or left intentionally would become unusable over time anyway. Mind you 50k years is so long not even large structures should survive let alone functioning technology. But that's common in science fiction so understandable for ME. I do wonder how much lost Inusannon tech survived the Prothean cycle apart from the Crucible. So many possibilities.... 

Modifié par phagus, 07 août 2012 - 11:29 .

[robertthebard]

phagus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...
We can see how they missed the beacon on Thessia, since it was hidden.  Missing stuff on Mars makes sense too, since we hadn't advanced enough to be harvested in the Prothean cycle, and the Protheans had quit monitoring us, leaving stuff for us to find when/if we got advanced enough for space travel.  It's likely that the Reapers only paid cursory attention to Mars, if they paid any at all.  The tech left on Eden Prime was buried, even then.  It's possible that the neutron purge of the facility left little enough tech running that the Reapers missed it completely, and the beacon found there, in ME 1, could easily have been overlooked.

The Reaper left behind from the cycle before the Protheans should have been monitoring what was going on like Sovereign did. Who ever that Reaper was didn't do a very good job, neither did Sovereign for that matter, as the Crucible's plans still survived. If it was Sovereign then I guess Reapers don't function as a meritocracy. Tech on Thessia or Mars should have been investigated by indoctrinated minions and Reapers before being deemed safe for the next cycle to find. Some overlooked technology is understandable, but for me there seems too much to be coincidence.

Perhaps previous cycles tech didn't survive the 50K year gap because it was less rebust than the Prothean's. So the Reapers probably thought most of what wasn't destroyed or left intentionally would become unusable over time anyway. Mind you 50k years is so long not even large structures should survive let alone functioning technology. But that's common in science fiction so understandable for ME. I do wonder how much lost Inusannon tech survived the Prothean cycle apart from the Crucible. So many possibilities.... 

Just a random thought that occurred to me just now, but we're overthinking this.  Prothean tech survived because the Reapers intended for it to survive.  Well, more accurately, they didn't overlook it, they left it alone on purpose.  They don't want us to know about them until it's too late, but they need us to find and use tech from the last cycle, in order to perpetuate the cycles.  It's better to have the cycles thinking they are building upon a previous cycle, even if they aren't sure what happened to them, than to believe they were harvested.  Some information that is not intended to pass on, such as the Eden Prime beacon, and stuff from the second dig site on Mars will inevitably slip through the cracks.  Hence the Crucible plans getting from cycle to cycle as civilizations realize they have to warn future civilizations, and pass on what information they can to help fight the Reapers.

Liara mentions that she knows there were other cycles before the Protheans, but can't point to a single thing, but more a pattern of things that suggest it.  So it's possible that while tech maybe didn't survive, knowledge did.  Perhaps references to things from previous cycles, although I don't know how you can get "can't point to a single thing" from that.

[phagus]

robertthebard wrote...
Just a random thought that occurred to me just now, but we're overthinking this.  Prothean tech survived because the Reapers intended for it to survive.  Well, more accurately, they didn't overlook it, they left it alone on purpose.  They don't want us to know about them until it's too late, but they need us to find and use tech from the last cycle, in order to perpetuate the cycles.  It's better to have the cycles thinking they are building upon a previous cycle, even if they aren't sure what happened to them, than to believe they were harvested.  Some information that is not intended to pass on, such as the Eden Prime beacon, and stuff from the second dig site on Mars will inevitably slip through the cracks.  Hence the Crucible plans getting from cycle to cycle as civilizations realize they have to warn future civilizations, and pass on what information they can to help fight the Reapers.

Liara mentions that she knows there were other cycles before the Protheans, but can't point to a single thing, but more a pattern of things that suggest it.  So it's possible that while tech maybe didn't survive, knowledge did.  Perhaps references to things from previous cycles, although I don't know how you can get "can't point to a single thing" from that.

But what if the first thing the next cycle finds is lots of info on the Reapers? Like say Liara's data from Refuse or the Inusannon or Prothean equivalent. That's why for a cycle to work the Reapers have to know exactly what is left and be very thorough. Of course you could argue that the Reaper's arrogant and superior tone when they do speak points to them believing they are invincible. So who cares if they skimp on their chores and don't make sure that what is left won't make the next cycle..err problematic. They are invincible so it won't matter, or so they think. 

Liara does mention that very little survives from the cycles before the Protheans. Hardly surprising with the time scales involved. What Vendetta says if I remember correctly suggests that information about past cycles of war and extinction do exist, suggesting a pattern. Not sure on what it's based on.
And yes I do think we are all overthinking this way too much..but this is BSN

Modifié par phagus, 08 août 2012 - 01:06 .

[LanceSolous13]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

The real question is why the Reapers left it there once they took back the Citadel.

I was actually under the impression that the Reapers didn't think Organics would ever be able to create a Mass Relay of their own. They probably just saw it, assumed it didn't work because "Primitives as so much less advanced than us" and left it there, completely unaware that it was fully functional, just from the other side. The Protheans seem to be the most advanced any cycle every got; but their downfall was that they conformed all species to a spesific mindset while our Cycle, more or less, praised the differences.

I am curious about how Sovrign found out about the Conduit in the first place.