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[GodlessPaladin]

EvanKester wrote...

So, Krogan Sentinel, using HCB + Blade is a useful niche for it. Though it probably depends heavily on what rank your Crusader is, and what ranks your alternatives are. At rank III, my Crusader would be more powerful (in terms of DPS) than my Saber or Paladin on this particular build, though I'm not sure how useful the difference is.

And honestly, if I'm using a melee build that wants a strong gun and needs an answer to guardians, I use AP ammo. The Crusader's only pulling ahead here because I'm giving it High Caliber Barrel, and AP mod to its rivals. Under the conditions I'd actually use the weapons, the Mattock X is easily outdamaging the Crusader.

Gun's viable, of course, but it is underpowered.

It's still underpowered on the Krogan Sentinel.  Is it better than the Paladin or Saber for them?  Maybe, but then the Paladin and Saber are poor fits for the Krogan Sentinel to begin with (they synergize much better with characters like stasis snipers or shield strippers).  Instead you could be using something like a Claymore or Reegar Carbine with AP ammo.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 06 août 2012 - 07:47 .

[GodlessPaladin]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I use mine on a Batarian Soldier along with a Hurricane.

It's a weird build, but I like it. I've never played a weapons based close quarters class quite that satisfying.

Of course, as you yourself have noted, your manifest lacks a Saber, Paladin, Harrier, or even many Gold card weapons.  It's not Silver card weapons that the Crusader compares poorly to.

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I think the reason I think this gun is so good is because I don't have a Saber, Paladin or Harrier.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 06 août 2012 - 07:46 .

[Grunt_Platform]

The Krogan Sentinel niche is just assuming for whatever reason you want its precision with a melee mod. And that was bending over backward to give it every advantage, and it barely edges those other guns out.

Acknowledging practical usage, of course, you notice that since the Krogan Sentinel doesn't care about weight, you can carry one short range weapon, and a separate longer range weapon with barrel and AP. Or just the Reegar with AP ammo or Shredder mod, as you said. And the longer range weapon is going to be the side arm most of the time. Claymore, Piranha or Reegar, with a Paladin or Saber as a sidearm is more powerful than the Crusader could be, no matter what you pair it with.

The niche the Crusader has on the krogan sentinel is a small one, and hardly the best kit for it. But it's one thing the crusader can kind of do that suits some playstyles at least.

Modifié par EvanKester, 06 août 2012 - 07:47 .

[AbhijitSM]

The fact i have it at lvl 6 does not make me happy at all. Maybe if the hitbox/reticule for that weapon was bigger it would be nicer. Right now its a chore to fire at enemies at higher difficulties. As many have have said its like a scopeless sniper which is hard to use.

[Cellar_Cat]

I quite like it on my geth infiltrator, purely for the amusement of sniping with hipfire. But no, it's not actually serving any role that something else couldn't do better.

[Ogrinash]

What do you think of a 200 point increase per shot? Which would be 800 points per shot at X; 200 more than what it is now.

I think it'd help; still lower than Wraith, but higher than Saber. Its weight really needs to be offset by something special.

Modifié par Ogrinash, 06 août 2012 - 08:11 .

[DHKany]

additionally, I think that smart choke claymore nullifies the purpose of this weapon completely.

[GodlessPaladin]

Other candidates for analysis:

Sucky Black weapons: Eagle, Javelin.

Sucky Gold weapons: Widow, Kishok, Disciple, Geth Pulse Rifle, Geth Plasma SMG, Striker.

Crazy weapon that I see 3 or 4 of in almost every Platinum lobby regardless of class composition and hear people actually commenting about being afraid to use anything else: N7 Piranha

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 06 août 2012 - 08:25 .

[Javo2357]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Other candidates for analysis:

Sucky Black weapons: Eagle, Javelin.

Sucky Gold weapons: Widow, Kishok, Disciple, Geth Pulse Rifle, Geth Plasma SMG, Striker.

I'd be interested in seeing anything on these..especially Javelin vs Widow or Striker vs Falcon.

Crazy weapon that I see 3 or 4 of in almost every Platinum lobby regardless of class composition and hear people actually commenting about being afraid to use anything else: N7 Piranha

LOL

[Ogrinash]

Striker ain't sucky. Well, I always do well with it. Takes shields and barriers down quickly, which then equates to staggers; it makes Geth a literal cakewalk (the groups of Hunters and Pyros get mowed down in short order), and Phantoms are easier to take down with it than Harrier.

Kishok is awesome when paired with stagger inducing powers.  You just hipfire it (which is easy).

Modifié par Ogrinash, 06 août 2012 - 08:19 .

[Ziegrif]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

A Question of Niche

Who is the Crusader good for?

Me.
Irrational but I like it more than the Saber.
Works better for me.

[DHKany]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Other candidates for analysis:

Sucky Black weapons: Eagle, Javelin.

Sucky Gold weapons: Widow, Kishok, Disciple, Geth Pulse Rifle, Geth Plasma SMG, Striker.

Crazy weapon that I see 3 or 4 of in almost every Platinum lobby regardless of class composition and hear people actually commenting about being afraid to use anything else: N7 Piranha

sucky black weapons first please.

[d_nought]

I like the Kishock, especially against Cerberus. It definitely has a very unique niche (ignores shield gate) which can only really be rivaled by the Claymore or Wraith. You can one-shot headshot a phantom on Gold using an Asari Vanguard with all weapon damage bonuses in the passive, no amps or gear.

Javelin is great against Brutes and Ravagers, but that's about it. 1m penetration is very situational in getting double kills.

Apparently the Geth Plasma SMG is good on the Destroyer, but I've never tried.

[Flambirex]

I got the Crusader VI this week while still not having a Hurricane. (Un)manly tears were shed.

[Prawny]

I was using the Crusader (II) on a Kroguard yesterday (which I didn't know is such an awesome class xD), as a change from the Wraith (IX).
The only thing I'll say is that I was glad when the match ended, so I could switch back to the Wraith ¬.¬

Modifié par Prawny, 06 août 2012 - 08:52 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

EvanKester wrote...

The Krogan Sentinel niche is just assuming for whatever reason you want its precision with a melee mod. And that was bending over backward to give it every advantage, and it barely edges those other guns out.

Acknowledging practical usage, of course, you notice that since the Krogan Sentinel doesn't care about weight, you can carry one short range weapon, and a separate longer range weapon with barrel and AP. Or just the Reegar with AP ammo or Shredder mod, as you said. And the longer range weapon is going to be the side arm most of the time. Claymore, Piranha or Reegar, with a Paladin or Saber as a sidearm is more powerful than the Crusader could be, no matter what you pair it with.

The niche the Crusader has on the krogan sentinel is a small one, and hardly the best kit for it. But it's one thing the crusader can kind of do that suits some playstyles at least.

In my case:

1.) No Piranha yet.
2.) Claymore's 1 shot and slow reload is very risky for my style-of-play.
3.) Reegar ammo gets eaten up in a hurry, whilst range is limited (I use it more like a pistol than shotgun).
4.) Paladin needs AP where Crusader already has it. Plus, I prefer Crusader crosshairs (Paladin's is too wide, even aiming out of cover)
5.) Falcon takes AR spot, so Saber is out.

[Talhydras]

Please keep these series up! I think it's a fantastic read. I'd like to ask that you consider going in order from longest-standing-issue or date of issuance to now. IE the disciple, javelin, GPR, and widow should be addressed as they're from launch, then eagle, then GPSMG/Striker/Kishock. The older the gun, I think the more unfortunate it is that it's been so forgotten.

[Grunt_Platform]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

In my case:

1.) No Piranha yet.
2.) Claymore's 1 shot and slow reload is very risky for my style-of-play.
3.) Reegar ammo gets eaten up in a hurry, whilst range is limited (I use it more like a pistol than shotgun).
4.) Paladin needs AP where Crusader already has it. Plus, I prefer Crusader crosshairs (Paladin's is too wide, even aiming out of cover)
5.) Falcon takes AR spot, so Saber is out.

I'm all for your choice. Is it optimal? Probably not. But you're enjoying it, and I'm assuming it's effective enough, and reinforces your playstyle.


Claymore does need a buff though, and that'll be a direct enhancement to your build too.

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Other candidates for analysis:

Sucky Black weapons: Eagle, Javelin.

Sucky Gold weapons: Widow, Kishok, Disciple, Geth Pulse Rifle, Geth Plasma SMG, Striker.

Crazy weapon that I see 3 or 4 of in almost every Platinum lobby regardless of class composition and hear people actually commenting about being afraid to use anything else: N7 Piranha

Piranha's being talked to death right now, but I'd love to see your analysis of the Javelin, and any of the rare weapons on the

Might keep an eye on whatever changes Tuesday.

Modifié par EvanKester, 06 août 2012 - 09:23 .

[Rokayt]

I'm glad to see another weapon analysis that points to an obvious buff.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

At least the Crusader is no longer the heaviest weapon. I'm pretty sure the Typhoon is heavier.


Regardless It needs to either have it's weight reduced or more damage output. Both are likely needed. As of now it's only use is to anchor a ship.


Giving it a much higher head-shot bonus could also give it more of a niche while rewarding careful aiming.

[Saradas85]

Keep in mind that the Crusader requires a lot of practice before you can start using it succesfully.
Its super accurate feature can be frustating, but when you get to know the gun better, it's not that awful.
I do agree that it needs some tweaking though, first of all its weight is simply too high.
The fire rate should be increased slightly (like 15%) and recoil decreased.
I think people hate this gun so much because it's not like the other guns that can be used on evey class no matter what.
This shotgun is made for a very small selection of classes: i.e. Krogan sentinel, Batarian soldier, Human soldiers, Batarian sentinel and Krogan Soldier.
Just forget the rest, it would be a veeery bad choice

Modifié par Saradas85, 06 août 2012 - 09:47 .

[Lexa_D]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I use mine on a Batarian Soldier along with a Hurricane.

It's a weird build, but I like it. I've never played a weapons based close quarters class quite that satisfying.

A waste of ballistic blades casting ability in my book.

[Atheosis]

It doesn't "suck pretty badly". It's simply outclassed by other options. The Locust or GPR outright suck. I wouldn't put the Crusader in that group.

[Immaculate J]

It only has a niche with no power builds like the destroyer. I ran calcs few weeks ago and the crusader is actually the best armor killers in the game. Just don't expect it to do good against big targets.

And hipfire, recoil is a lot easier that.