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[Airscale]

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Smart choke is useless

LOL! Incorrect, go do some more research on it, though it's always fun to see someone's long-winded "in-depth" assesment negated within the very early stages of their own post...

My only comment is, the Crusader rocks, if you can't play it, then don't!

[Airscale]

ShadowHound wrote...

It doesn't do the damage that's reflected. Its a shotgun that has range and accuracy like a sniper rifle. It can't even kill a cannibal at point blank in one shot.

That's cause you're doing it wrong... 

[Humming]

A week ago when the commendation packages was awarded we did a Gold run with all promotional weapons.
Me and another had Eagle + Crusader. One had the Valiant and one cheated and brought the Hurricane.
On Wave 8 (I think) the other guy with Eagle + Crusader got so bored he killed himself.

The only reasonable promotional weapon is the Hurricane, imho.

(Just so you don't have to check my manifest: Valiant I, Crusader III, Eagle III and Hurricane III) 

Modifié par Humming, 06 août 2012 - 12:28 .

[Mandalore313]

GodlessPaladin wrote...


How could anyone think you of all people are a bad player? 

I was going to find that thread but then he posted right here ;P

Airscale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Smart choke is useless

LOL! Incorrect, go do some more research on it, though it's always fun to see someone's long-winded "in-depth" assesment negated within the very early stages of their own post...

My only comment is, the Crusader rocks, if you can't play it, then don't!

Should be enough as an answer, I mean he says you're wrong not to use the smart choke on it, derp.

Just ignore the dude before he turns the thread into a l2p flame contest.

Modifié par Mandalore313, 06 août 2012 - 12:29 .

[Rhayak]

I use a Crusader on one of my sentries. And i must say, i don't hate it.

I prefer Ammo + Damage Barrel, as i tend to perform better by shooting wildly instead of carefully aiming each bullet. Seems weird but i actually place more hits if i just let 'er rip.

The gun's outrageous damage does the rest.

[GodlessPaladin]

Airscale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Smart choke is useless

LOL! Incorrect, go do some more research on it, though it's always fun to see someone's long-winded "in-depth" assesment negated within the very early stages of their own post...

The smart choke isn't doing you any great favors on the Crusader.   Pretending that it does is just that... pretending.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 06 août 2012 - 12:32 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Airscale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Smart choke is useless

LOL! Incorrect, go do some more research on it, though it's always fun to see someone's long-winded "in-depth" assesment negated within the very early stages of their own post...

My only comment is, the Crusader rocks, if you can't play it, then don't!

It shoots slugs, not pellets, it isn't affected by Smart choke.

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 06 août 2012 - 12:33 .

[HrivnakScott]

I enjoy rocking my Crusader in matches Just got to get used to it.

[Airscale]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Airscale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Smart choke is useless

LOL! Incorrect, go do some more research on it, though it's always fun to see someone's long-winded "in-depth" assesment negated within the very early stages of their own post...

The smart choke isn't doing you any great favors on the Crusader.   Pretending that it does is just that... pretending.

Shame you did all that research only to not realize that the smart choke allows you to increase your accuracy tenfold with it. It becomes one of the most accurate weapons (with a full range of view) from long range in the game with it. Pretending it doesn't only shows your bias for not taking all the information into account... that's all.

[Airscale]

Mandalore313 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...


How could anyone think you of all people are a bad player? 

I was going to find that thread but then he posted right here ;P

Airscale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Smart choke is useless

LOL! Incorrect, go do some more research on it, though it's always fun to see someone's long-winded "in-depth" assesment negated within the very early stages of their own post...

My only comment is, the Crusader rocks, if you can't play it, then don't!

Should be enough as an answer, I mean he says you're wrong not to use the smart choke on it, derp.

Just ignore the dude before he turns the thread into a l2p flame contest.

Awwww, are you still all upset about that other thread.

<petpet> it's okay, I don't bare you any ill will... nor did I ever call you a bad player, nor would I, but I know the gun is good, as it serves me well on a regular basis... you know, from actually playing it "in-game" the way it's meant to be used. If you can't use it then don't. Just stick with your saber and your scope... it's really no skin off my teeth.

Here, I'll even quote the wiki for you: "When equipped with a Shotgun Smart Choke(Lvl 5 seems to do the trick)
the sniping capabilities of this weapon sky-rocket. This will give the
gun maximum Accuracy."

Modifié par Airscale, 06 août 2012 - 01:03 .

[sparkydeltorro]

I love the Crusader with the 'choke'. It's extremely accurate (though you have to lead your targets at range).

My favourite thing about it is it shoots through light cover, Guardian's shields and (my favourite part) the windows in Glacier.

It might not be the best pound for pound, but I enjoy it.

[cronshaw]

I like the crusader it is a cool concept, I just wish there was a way for me to justify using it over other options on higher difficulties

[NuclearTech76]

Shamrock2100 wrote...

Alot of people throw Crusader by the way side because they lack the skill to use it.

ITS LIKE A SNIPER SHOTGUN... EPIC!
Its my favorite weapon i choose it over a Typhoon anyday

Don't have it but the claymore is like a sniper shotgun with proper mods and it ignores shield gating. Why carry an inferior verision?

[nicethugbert]

/signed

Shamrock2100 wrote...

Alot of people throw Crusader by the way side because they lack the skill to use it.

ITS LIKE A SNIPER SHOTGUN... EPIC!
Its my favorite weapon i choose it over a Typhoon anyday

What can you do better with the crusader that you can't do better with Paladin or Saber?

[rmccowen]

I'd like to see its weight reduced to the Reegar/Harrier category--[1.75 - 1.25]. Then let it settle for a few weeks and see what the metagame does with it, with an eye toward a future damage bump.

Also, yes please to making it a series.

[GodlessPaladin]

Airscale wrote...
Shame you did all that research only to not realize that the smart choke allows you to increase your accuracy
tenfold with it. It becomes one of the most accurate weapons (with a full range of view) from long range in the game with it. Pretending it doesn't only shows your bias for not taking all the information into account... that's all.

Airscale wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
How could anyone think you of all people are a bad player? 

I was going to find that thread but then he posted right here ;P

Airscale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Smart choke is useless

LOL!
Incorrect, go do some more research on it, though it's always fun to
see someone's long-winded "in-depth" assesment negated within the very
early stages of their own post...

My only comment is, the Crusader rocks, if you can't play it, then don't!

Should be enough as an answer, I mean he says you're wrong not to use the smart choke on it, derp.

Just ignore the dude before he turns the thread into a l2p flame contest.

Awwww, are you still all upset about that other thread.

<petpet>
it's okay, I don't bare you any ill will... nor did I ever call you a bad player, nor would I, but I know the gun is good, as it serves me well on a regular basis... you know, from actually playing it "in-game" the way it's meant to be used. If you can't use it then don't. Just stick with your saber and your scope... it's really no skin off my teeth.

Here, I'll even quote the wiki for you: "When equipped with a Shotgun Smart Choke(Lvl 5 seems to do the trick)
the sniping capabilities of this weapon sky-rocket. This will give the gun maximum Accuracy."

@Airscale I'm pretty sure you're trolling, but just in case...

Your argument is self-defeating. If your argument was true, and the Smart Choke could really meaningfully increase accuracy, you are actually arguing that it's less accurate than my analysis claims.  That would be a point against the Crusader, not a point for it.

Of course, what you're saying isn't actually true. You can't actually get meaningfully more accurate than "headshots reliably across the largest maps in the game." Before posting this thread I actually did a test soloing Gold with an Asari Vanguard wielding a Crusader I, and I was getting headshots with every single shot across Giant at max range, and a smart choke wasn't used. I also did a spread test with a Turian with a Stability Mod III for perfect stability, and the spread was perfectly accurate from one end of Giant to the other (all the bullet holes overlapped).  Increasing accuracy beyond that is entirely pointless.

So yeah, the Smart Choke is useless on the Crusader.  Which means that whoever added that to the wiki is giving bad advice.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 06 août 2012 - 01:49 .

[sparkydeltorro]

nicethugbert wrote...

/signed

Shamrock2100 wrote...

Alot of people throw Crusader by the way side because they lack the skill to use it.

ITS LIKE A SNIPER SHOTGUN... EPIC!
Its my favorite weapon i choose it over a Typhoon anyday

What can you do better with the crusader that you can't do better with Paladin or Saber?

Shoot through light cover, windows and guardian shields without mods?

[llandwynwyn]

When I got the Destroyed, I tried it on gold and did well enough with it but the Crusader really needs less weight/recoil and more damage. It's a N7 weapon, Bioware. I shouldn't dread receive it.

[Teratoid]

Good post, thanks for putting numbers to it. I've been arguing the Crusader's lack of utility for a while, but I always run into a wall of players who've declared their allegiance to it, vouched for its "brilliance", and refuse to move on despite of evidence to the contrary. Sigh... internets.

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Other candidates for analysis:

Sucky Gold weapons: Widow, Kishok, Disciple, Geth Pulse Rifle, Geth Plasma SMG, Striker....

I'm guessing Kishock qualifies as "sucky" in your list due to the fact that its impossible to use if you're not hosting, the projectile drop, and so on? 

I really love the Kishock, but I hate Bioware for introducing such a weapon into multiplayer. For a game system that regularly pairs you with people in nations halfway around the world, a realtime projectile weapon is basically all but useless if you're not hosting. Still, 1HKOing Phantoms is a lovely feeling. Too bad they took away the Banshee/Brute headshot KOs... Kind of had a personal rage day on that.

I'd like to read your analyses on Disciple and the Striker, though.

Kishock too... but  be gentle 

[Airscale]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

@Airscale I'm pretty sure you're trolling, but just in case...
d I actually did a test soloing Gold with an Asari Vanguard wielding a Crusader I, and I was getting headshots with every single shot across Giant at max range, and a smart choke wasn't used. I also did a spread test with a Turian with a Stability Mod III for perfect stability, and the spread was perfectly accurate from one end of Giant to the other (all the bullet holes overlapped).  Increasing accuracy beyond that is entirely pointless.

So yeah, the Smart Choke is useless on the Crusader.  Which means that whoever added that to the wiki is giving bad advice.

LOL! Your post was incomplete... some of the info was good, some of it wasn't... and some of it was based on your preference while trying to seem like it was unbias, which it wasn't.

Smart choke inables you to have better accruacy with the gun, period. I know this from playing the game over and over again with it while changing up the mods... although I could lay down any claim I wanted as well without any sort of follow through or proof (as you have just done here) for that matter and then it would still just be your words against mine. So in short... have fun playing that asari with your Crusader I.

As for trolling, I think you need to figure out what that word means... because your application of it here, is all fail. Someone responds to me, and generally I respond back if that's trolling then everyone on this forum is a troll. Now someone trying to bring my comments from one thread into another (like your buddy Mandalore did) and then insulting me on top of it while saying I called him things I didn't... yeah, in my book that man's living under a bridge if you know what I mean. Love your double standards...

[Arppis]

Xerorei wrote...

Shamrock2100 wrote...

Alot of people throw Crusader by the way side because they lack the skill to use it.

ITS LIKE A SNIPER SHOTGUN... EPIC!
Its my favorite weapon i choose it over a Typhoon anyday

You DO realize that a "Sniper Shotgun" defeats the very puropse of the weapon known as the Shotgun, right?

Why so passive-aggressive? Anyhows, you do realize shotguns aren't just being used to shoot targets from 2-5 meters away, right?

Shotguns are being used for bird hunting. I realize this isn't  the kind of shotgun you would use for that either, but still. Stop thinking inside the box and go out of it for awhile.

[GodlessPaladin]

Teratoid wrote...
I'm guessing Kishock qualifies as "sucky" in your list due to the fact that its impossible to use if you're not hosting, the projectile drop, and so on? 

I really love the Kishock, but I hate Bioware for introducing such a weapon into multiplayer. For a game system that regularly pairs you with people in nations halfway around the world, a realtime projectile weapon is basically all but useless if you're not hosting. Still, 1HKOing Phantoms is a lovely feeling. Too bad they took away the Banshee/Brute headshot KOs... Kind of had a personal rage day on that.

You can one-shot KO Gold Phantoms across the largest maps with a Graal Spike Thrower with no weapon damage bonuses from your power loadout... and do it 3 times per clip. 

[Teratoid]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Teratoid wrote...
I'm guessing Kishock qualifies as "sucky" in your list due to the fact that its impossible to use if you're not hosting, the projectile drop, and so on? 

I really love the Kishock, but I hate Bioware for introducing such a weapon into multiplayer. For a game system that regularly pairs you with people in nations halfway around the world, a realtime projectile weapon is basically all but useless if you're not hosting. Still, 1HKOing Phantoms is a lovely feeling. Too bad they took away the Banshee/Brute headshot KOs... Kind of had a personal rage day on that.

You can one-shot KO Gold Phantoms across the largest maps with a Graal Spike Thrower with no weapon damage bonuses from your power loadout... and do it 3 times per clip. 

Yeah, but the Ragdoll physics....

[Airscale]

Teratoid wrote...
I'm guessing Kishock qualifies as "sucky" in your list due to the fact that its impossible to use if you're not hosting, the projectile drop, and so on?

That is mostly why people hate the crusader as well, but oddly enough I don't see you list that anywhere. Oh, wait, that's just on guns only you like... so on those you will find an excuse...  if you lag while playing with the crusader, guess what, you can't use it. Doesn't mean the gun is bad, it means you're lagging or (outside of lag) can't conform to it's style of play.

Now lets all call a truce and hit up the ice cream social!

Modifié par Airscale, 06 août 2012 - 02:15 .

[Eriseley]

I will say for it that the targeting reticle doesn't expand when you fire at all, it's pegged at pinpoint. Not sure any other gun does that, 'cept snipers I guess, but not the Saber or Paladin or Harrier. Worth it? Well...not really.

Modifié par Eriseley, 06 août 2012 - 02:16 .