24 réponses à ce sujet

[Ironhandjustice]

Conventional Victory is possible.

And not, "not this thread again"

Do you want to know how conventional victory is possible?

Throught Warhammer 40k war doctrine. If you want the enemy killed, it does not matter the cost.

You blow up relays where the reapers mass. Victory through supernova.

Modifié par Ironhandjustice, 06 août 2012 - 12:01 .

[CaptainZaysh]

The targets are ships with FTL drives, though.

[ChrisRudson]

Do that and you will destroy all the Planets on that system. Destroy the Sol relay and everyone on Sol dies.

[Pitznik]

inb4

Reapers are faster than the explosion; arguement countered multiple times before

edit: and too late

Modifié par Pitznik, 06 août 2012 - 12:05 .

[GerojSvK]

ChrisRudson wrote...

Do that and you will destroy all the Planets on that system. Destroy the Sol relay and everyone on Sol dies.

as he said that is a common W40k doctrine.

[Ironhandjustice]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

The targets are ships with FTL drives, though.

Yup. Ships that are fighting on-ground, or too near to the atmosphere to engage FTL drives.

Reapers don't expect suicidal/genocidal actions. Is against their nature to think this.

[Ironhandjustice]

GerojSvK wrote...

ChrisRudson wrote...

Do that and you will destroy all the Planets on that system. Destroy the Sol relay and everyone on Sol dies.

as he said that is a common W40k doctrine.

To be precise:



It is called "sacred exterminatus"

When you lost a planet to enemy forces, you blow it up in order to prevent the enemy for taking it.

An inquisitor simply blow up a dozen systems in order to make a tyranid fleet (like starship troopers bugs) starve and then kill them when they are hungry (vulnerable).

This is the same. You expect that 3000 reaper ship arriving to a nexus? you put a giant bomb on the relay, and when reapers pass through it you can say "goodby, jellyfish"

[ChrisRudson]

GerojSvK wrote...

ChrisRudson wrote...

Do that and you will destroy all the Planets on that system. Destroy the Sol relay and everyone on Sol dies.

as he said that is a common W40k doctrine.

I'm not familiar with the Warhammer Series. Sorry.
Then I guess you also destroyed the ones you are aiming to save. W40k Doctrine doesn't really fit through the ME storyline. We all know Shepard is crazy, but he ain't that crazy to do something like it to save Earth.
If Shep did that, then he did semi-saved Earth. Through quick death.

[CaptainZaysh]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Yup. Ships that are fighting on-ground, or too near to the atmosphere to engage FTL drives.

If you could successfully blow the relay without warning then it's conceivable you could inflict casualties.  I'd be highly skeptical of this as an actual battle plan, though.  You seem to be assuming quite a bit.

[wright1978]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Yup. Ships that are fighting on-ground, or too near to the atmosphere to engage FTL drives.

If you could successfully blow the relay without warning then it's conceivable you could inflict casualties.  I'd be highly skeptical of this as an actual battle plan, though.  You seem to be assuming quite a bit.

Unfortunately the reapers are spread across the entire galaxy so the amount of relays you would have to destroy would cause mass genocide on a scale past any of the endings.

[CaptainZaysh]

wright1978 wrote...

Unfortunately the reapers are spread across the entire galaxy so the amount of relays you would have to destroy would cause mass genocide on a scale past any of the endings.

Yeah: this plan isn't as clever as it thinks it is.

[Ticonderoga117]

I don't think you can make the "faster" argument.
Why? Because everyone should've been faster than the Crucible firing.
However, everything gets caught in it.

[DistantUtopia]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Unfortunately the reapers are spread across the entire galaxy so the amount of relays you would have to destroy would cause mass genocide on a scale past any of the endings.

Yeah: this plan isn't as clever as it thinks it is.

Although if (and that's a big if) the galaxy followed the Warhammer 40k doctrine, then yeah, it's something that would have been a "victory" I suppose.

[flanny]

the tutunka bomb sent through on a VI controlled ship would do the trick, with their largest concentration of ships destroyed the balance of power would swing to this cycle.

only problem is that if the blast destroys the citadel we'll lose the relay network, unless we can build another control device for it?

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Yeah quick problem with that:

Mass Relays are quantum shielded, Arrival showed that a giant mass like an astroid can bypass the shield but the Reapers aren't stupid, as soon as you do that with one or two relays they'll start guarding the Relays

[saracen16]

The Reapers are everywhere, and you're assuming that once you escape the mass relay that's blowing up, you'll be in a system free of Reapers. I bet you that other Reapers will be waiting elsewhere, and they'll blow you to hell.

Also, the strategy is impractical: you blow up a relay, you lose a system, you lose a supply line, and you get closer to losing the war.

[Galifreya]

An Osterhagen  key isn't really my idea of "winning."

Modifié par Gallifreya, 06 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

This plan also hinders on the Reapers staying within the system and politely waiting for you to destroy the Relay. They'll either stop you or jump to a different system, and you'll end up eradicating planets for no reason.

[Zkyire]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Conventional Victory is possible.

And not, "not this thread again"

Do you want to know how conventional victory is possible?

Throught Warhammer 40k war doctrine. If you want the enemy killed, it does not matter the cost.

You blow up relays where the reapers mass. Victory through supernova.

Ironhandjustice wrote...

GerojSvK wrote...

ChrisRudson wrote...

Do that and you will destroy all the Planets on that system. Destroy the Sol relay and everyone on Sol dies.

as he said that is a common W40k doctrine.

To be precise:



It is called "sacred exterminatus"

When you lost a planet to enemy forces, you blow it up in order to prevent the enemy for taking it.

An
inquisitor simply blow up a dozen systems in order to make a tyranid
fleet (like starship troopers bugs) starve and then kill them when they
are hungry (vulnerable).

This is the same. You expect that 3000
reaper ship arriving to a nexus? you put a giant bomb on the relay, and
when reapers pass through it you can say "goodby, jellyfish"

Also, nukes in every town and city on every world.

Fight them inspace away from the planets and beat them there if possible.

If they make it by the fleet protecting the system? Let the ground forces try and finish them off.

Ground forces fail? Wait for the Reapers to start harvesting, then detonate the nukes. Wipe them out.

The population of the planet are dead either way, better you take some Reapers down with you.


No more of this "Our ships failed - therefore we cannot ever beat the Reapers".

Modifié par Zkyire, 06 août 2012 - 04:16 .

[Ryudoz28]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Conventional Victory is possible.

And not, "not this thread again"

Do you want to know how conventional victory is possible?

Throught Warhammer 40k war doctrine. If you want the enemy killed, it does not matter the cost.

You blow up relays where the reapers mass. Victory through supernova.

 

[AlanC9]

As for the nukes in every city.... you kill a couple destroyers and some slaughterships, maybe. Then the Reapers don't land in the cities anymore and bring their produce to market on the hoof. You still nuke the cities anyway since you might as well, but now all you're killing is expendable Reaper ground forces.

[Samtheman63]

blowing up relays to cause supernoavs is conventional?


ill answer for you, no it isnt.

[Wulfram]

You need those planets, the Reapers don't.

[saracen16]

Wulfram wrote...

You need those planets, the Reapers don't.

Bingo.