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[EJ42]

There are several glaring bugs with morrigan_main.dlg, some of which I've been able to correct with the toolset.  However, the bugs related to her personal quest plot flags seem to be a little more difficult to squash.

Bug #1) Shapeshifting:  Looks like the designer got confused with double-negatives in the "Can you teach others to become shapechangers?" line.  Somehow, MORRIGAN_DEFINED_IS_NOT_WARM_OR_INTERESTED got set as "false" in the conditional, which would mean only deny you if she really likes you.  It's backwards, and should be changed to "true" in the conditional.

Bug #2) MORRIGAN_EVENT_FLEMITH_PLOT_COMPLETED (Note the 'I' in FlemIth is misspelled) does not seem to be getting set after confronting Flemeth.  I haven't quite figured out where this flag is supposed to be set, but it's possibly due to a misspelling.

Bug #3) Possibly related to #2, but somehow the game isn't properly setting MORRIGAN_DEFINED_PLAYER_HAS_REAL_GRIMOIRE, when the player gets the real grimoire.  That doesn't allow the player to offer it to her.

Basically, there is a whole conversation tree, with full voiceover, that cannot be properly triggered.  At least the Leliana quest can be taken to full closure.

Also, Morrigan doesn't ever trigger the IF: MORRIGAN_EVENT_ON -> MORRIGAN_EVENT_ARRIVED_AT_FELEMTHS_HUT (again with the massive misspelling of FLEMETH's name here).  So, Morrigan never comments on being at her mother's hut in camp.

Please go through, and fix these.  Thanks.

[JironGhrad]

Do you have the v1.0 toolset? You obviously have "a" toolset... there were an assortment of errors created by that version of the toolset. I was able to successfully complete all 3 of the bugs you've mentioned here so perhaps you've got bugged scripts from the export.

[OUmassie]

I've been wondering why the hell I have Morrigan at 100% liking me and she STILL won't teach me the shapeshifter specialization. I gave up on her and bought the manual.

[EJ42]

JironGhrad wrote...

Do you have the v1.0 toolset? You obviously have "a" toolset... there were an assortment of errors created by that version of the toolset. I was able to successfully complete all 3 of the bugs you've mentioned here so perhaps you've got bugged scripts from the export.

No.  What I did was play the game on my Windows XP setup with the original toolset installed.  Then, I put the game and original toolset on my new Win7 setup, and was faced with several game-breaking crashes.  So, I did a complete reinstall of Win7 (I hadn't really installed anything other than DA:O and Firefox at the time), and installed DA:O without the toolset.  Then, I patched the game to 1.02, and installed the new toolset when it was just recently released.  This Win7 installation has never had anything other than the latest toolset installed.

I'm not sure what is wrong, but one of the main reasons I installed the toolset to begin with is that I couldn't get Morrigan's quest to work properly.  I could finish everything, and even talk to her about Flemeth being dead, but she would never initiate the conversation that should happen after confronting Flemeth.

When you say that you successfully completed all 3 of the bugs, are you sure you understand what I'm talking about?

If Morrigan is at warm or better, she will refuse to teach you shapeshifting.  It's a known bug that affects far more people than just me.  My updated dialogue file fixes that part for people who've never used the toolset.

Regarding the conversation after the Flemeth encounter, what exactly did she say to you?  I think you may not even realize what you're missing.

To summarize:

1) You can get Morrigan to teach you shapeshifting as long as you ask her before you hit "Warm" or better.  That's backwards, though.  She's supposed to tell you that she simply does not know you well enough until you hit Warm with her.

2) The quest does complete, and the quest log will show it as completed.  That's not the problem.  The issue is that a specific plot flag does not appear to be getting set when the quest completes.  This plot flag triggers Morrigan to initiate a specific conversation with your player, which begins with "So, you've returned from the wilds..." (quoting from memory right now)

3) When I said "doesn't allow the player to offer it to her," I mean in the conversation that should be initiated in #2 above.  You can certainly give her the grimoire via the inventory screen, but that's not what's broken.

Compare the Morrigan quest with the Leliana one.  Leliana has multiple conversations with your character after you confront Marjolaine.  Morrigan should have similar interactions, but hers fail to trigger properly.

Modifié par EJ42, 21 décembre 2009 - 02:19 .

[JironGhrad]

I started Romancing Morrigan immediately. She taught me the shapeshifting after the 1st sexual encounter.



I remember her initiating a conversation as soon as I returned to camp after killing Flemith. I was able to give her the grimoire during the conversation.



I waited a very long time between accepting the quest to kill Flemith and actually completing the task. Also, I wonder if it makes a difference "which way" you completed the quest as to whether it fires that particular setting.



Another thought. Several people have reported that the "auto-loot" mod breaks quests. Did you have that installed when you noticed the quest was bugged?

[EJ42]

JironGhrad wrote...

I started Romancing Morrigan immediately. She taught me the shapeshifting after the 1st sexual encounter.

I remember her initiating a conversation as soon as I returned to camp after killing Flemith. I was able to give her the grimoire during the conversation.

I waited a very long time between accepting the quest to kill Flemith and actually completing the task. Also, I wonder if it makes a difference "which way" you completed the quest as to whether it fires that particular setting.

Another thought. Several people have reported that the "auto-loot" mod breaks quests. Did you have that installed when you noticed the quest was bugged?

No.  No mods installed.  Also no DLC at all.

Are you playing the PC version?

Bioware reps have stated that the 1.01 version of the toolset was being held up due to the 1.02 game patch because they had to match the datasets together.  If that is true, then the dataset that came with the 1.01 toolset (the latest, and the one that I have installed) is most definitely broken, and I find it extremely implausible that you could have experienced what you claim if you're playing the PC version.

If you look at the scripts, then it's nearly impossible for what you claim to have happened.

Actually, I'm going to call you on the shapeshifting thing.  If you're playing the PC version, then until a Bioware rep comes in to state otherwise, it is impossible that she taught you shapeshifting after reaching Warm unless you are using a mod that corrects her dialogues.

I have created my own dialogue corrections for Morrigan (based on these bugs), which correct the problems.  Perhaps you have something similar included in a mod you may have installed.

Modifié par EJ42, 21 décembre 2009 - 08:51 .

[JironGhrad]

I don't have any mods and it's the PC version. I'm not 100% positive on this because it was around 3-4 weeks ago now, but I don't think Morrigan has to be at warm to sleep with you; but I know I got a significant jump in status with her once I did though.



Now, a 2nd point of interest. I did install the toolset myself v1.0, but I was aware of the particular issues about how it exported and saved random stuff so I was careful to clean things out. I wonder if it was broken in the change from 1.0 to 1.01....

[EJ42]

JironGhrad wrote...

I don't have any mods and it's the PC version. I'm not 100% positive on this because it was around 3-4 weeks ago now, but I don't think Morrigan has to be at warm to sleep with you; but I know I got a significant jump in status with her once I did though.

Now, a 2nd point of interest. I did install the toolset myself v1.0, but I was aware of the particular issues about how it exported and saved random stuff so I was careful to clean things out. I wonder if it was broken in the change from 1.0 to 1.01....

The issue is that I played through the entire game at least three times without having the toolset installed at all.  Never once have I ever been able to get Morrigan to trigger the events related to the completion of her quest, and never once has she offered to train me in shapeshifting once I've passed Warm with her.

The only reason I even knew I was ever missing anything in the quest series is that I installed the latest toolset, and started going through the dialogues.

I'm looking through things again to see if there is some possibility that being a mage has anything to do with a possible bug.  I've never played a non-mage character, so I wouldn't know.

The shapeshifting training has not worked properly in any version of the game since the original on the disc.  It's still not fixed as far as I can tell.

[JironGhrad]

I don't know... my 1st playthough was a warrior and the 2nd was a rogue maybe I'll make a mage the next time I get to playing DA and see what happens.