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[What a Succulent Ass]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I have no more reason of "letting go" of ME3 than I do "The Room". Such beautiful disasters will provide me with quality lulz for quite some time.

What a sad little person

Dang. You sure showed him. Bet he's going to sit down and reevaluate his life and everything.

[puppy maclove]

@ OP, I pretty much agree and feel the same as you do.

I cant wait to see what they offer up for DA3, I think that it'll be the final nail for BW (I hope its not). I have stopped buying EA game completely, I just don't enjoy their games or business style.

[Nefla]

Daennikus wrote...

Being let down by disappointments is once thing, but keeping your hopes up and all the while knowing the game is not what you'd expected, that's foolish. Most of those who enjoyed and still like ME3 are probably well aware that "it's just a video game" and have been letting go of their frustrations right at the beginning of their game time.

Like you say, it's just a video game, might as well behave accordingly. In the real world, there are much more serious matters to be frustrated about.

Well the weird thing is, I was stringing myself along the whole time but not out of hope. I knew EC wasn't going to make the ending good, it was just going to make the same ending longer. BW said that up front. I knew the game wasn't going to change and that any DLC comming out was going to be pre-end content that I didn't care about. I can't figure out why I couldn't let go even though I wanted to.

[Cainne Chapel]

Ya know? I actually enjoyed ME3 as well, was I let down by some of it? of course, but with a final game in any series, its a bittersweet thing. Bitter in that you KNOW its the last one but sweet in that you're getting to enjoy it one more 'gain.

I see no reason to "let go" of anything. ME3 did destroy my world view or my view of the series, neither did ME2 or ME1 and lets admit while all 3 games were great, all 3 did some things wrong as well, but then same can be said for every single game or media format under the sun, nothing will ever be perfect so I dont even assume the things I enjoy will be. I play them and enjoy them for their own merits.

Thats why I can play games like Mass Effect and then turn around and play a game like Smackdown and something as niche as Eye of Judgement. Because luckily my enjoyment of games runs th gamut.

[CmndrFisher]

Hi Nefla.
 
I am in the same mind set as you are. I let go a short time ago and believe it or not, I no longer have that “emotional investment” anymore. I have been sticking around here mainly waiting for the SP DLC announcement. Well, we have Leviathan coming and to be honest, I am in no hurry to play it. ME3 has become a game I will play again but not right now. I have moved on to other games and am thoroughly enjoying my time playing those to the point where I no longer think of ME3 at all. (BTW, two of those game are ones you recommended to me)
 
And now this place seems to be full of anger and un-healthy nerd rage. There is a lot of “us against them” mentality here and frankly, it’s tiresome. There seems to be more in-fighting then actual creative discussions in the forums. And all sides are guilty of it.
 
So rest assured, Nefla, you are not alone.

[Terror_K]

Nefla wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

Being let down by disappointments is once thing, but keeping your hopes up and all the while knowing the game is not what you'd expected, that's foolish. Most of those who enjoyed and still like ME3 are probably well aware that "it's just a video game" and have been letting go of their frustrations right at the beginning of their game time.

Like you say, it's just a video game, might as well behave accordingly. In the real world, there are much more serious matters to be frustrated about.

Well the weird thing is, I was stringing myself along the whole time but not out of hope. I knew EC wasn't going to make the ending good, it was just going to make the same ending longer. BW said that up front. I knew the game wasn't going to change and that any DLC comming out was going to be pre-end content that I didn't care about. I can't figure out why I couldn't let go even though I wanted to.

Well, if you're like me, you got so damn hooked and so damn invested in the Mass Effect universe that it's hard to believe that it could be not only so utterly ruined by the last entry in the trilogy, but that even the fact that it probably won't get any better in the future can't fully undo the reason you loved it in the first place and the early Mass Effect stuff.

I don't know about you, but after playing the original Mass Effect, I fell for the universe and IP hard. I thought it was brilliant, and really had the potential to be this generation's Star Wars or Star Trek. It was so rich, so well thought out and just a really interesting new setting and universe. In a time when I was finding it hard to get interested in new IPs not just in video games, but in entertainment as a whole, Mass Effect was a shining ray of light piercing through the overly dark and gritty generic crap that was otherwise mainstream media. Good intelligent Sci-Fi entertainment was already breathing its last dying breaths as the age of mainstream consumerism trampled over the remains of anything just for the geek or the nerd. I quickly got hold of Drew's first novel, then pre-ordered the next one as soon as I could. I wanted toys before there were any, and an N7 cap and t-shirt over a year before I got one. Mass Effect became to me from 2007 onwards what Star Wars and Star Trek once were to me in their heydey, and in a certain sense what the original G1 Transformers were to me as a kid. An idea for a fan-novel came to me, and Inspired by Drew's then two novels, I spent two years crafting it, trying to stick as true to the source material and canon as possible. Leading up to ME2, I bought some of the limited signed lithographs, starting with the Illium one, which became about the only limited merchandise I'd ever purchased overseas for an IP. And most of all, I was looking forward to the two sequels coming along.

And then it happened: BioWare decided they wanted to change the forumula. They decided that they wanted to retool the Mass Effect style to be more in-tune with the already overcatered for masses. The once bright light that was Mass Effect began to dim, starting with ME2. BioWare no longer wanted Mass Effect to be different and unique it seemed, they wanted to follow the pack. With EA's help they jumped onto the mainstream consumerism bandwagon, tossing aside their status as one of the last true RPG developers who were essentially nerds who made games for nerds, and leaving behind DAO as a final parting gift to symbolise what they once were but would be no longer. Unfortunately Mass Effect and Dragon Age were both dragged with them, and gradually over time both properties had that which appealed to be chiseled away and patched with generic action game putty that didn't really fit. ME2 was tarnished for it, but despite this... the light was not gone yet, though duller it may be.

Then there was ME3. All pretense of being an RPG was pretty much now stripped, as he instead just got a cinematic action game. Too many concerns about growing the brand and appealing to the common gamer robbed any last remaining goodness from the game, with a complete lack of choice and ability to roleplay for the sake of cinematics, and pretty much no RPG elements that weren't firmly affixed to combat and combat alone. Choices were were told would matter didn't, the Deus-Ex machina ending we were promised wouldn't be was, consequences were reduced to an arbitrary "get bigger to win more!" number, and arguably the biggest original selling feature of all --the character import-- was utterly borked, and still isn't fixed to this day. So bad, linear and devoid of roleplaying or consequences was it that it not only ruined the replayability of itself, but also of the original games.

So, for me, letting go of the Mass Effect series, universe and IP is hard because I invested so much getting into this IP. I played ME1 over a dozen times and took at least half of those games into ME2, and then I find out that I basically wasted a good deal of 7 years of my life on a trilogy that in the end is utterly meaningless. Because there's no point in doing any more than a couple of playthroughs at all because there just isn't that much difference between them. Even an extreme Paragon and Extreme Renegade doesn't see that many differences in the final entry. Nothing I did mattered, and it's all the same in the end. And that's not even including the fact that none of my Shepard's faces can even make it into the final entry. BioWare constantly lied to me, and I'm absolutely livid at them for it. Almost everything they said we would get, we didn't, and almost everything we were told we weren't going to get, we did. And the fact that they made me love the Mass Effect series so much up to that point makes it even worse.

Letting go of BioWare themselves because of what they've done is easy. I'm honestly shocked that people even still support them after ME3, especially on the tail of DA2, which in some ways was an even bigger IP suicide than ME3 was. People often say in the wake of ME3 to me on these very forums, "why are you still here?" and I can't help but ask everybody else the same thing in my head: "Why are you still here? Why is anybody still here? How can anybody stick up for, defend and support BioWare, let alone smile and talk about new DLC and ME4 and beyond as if there's hope for a decent future Mass Effect product, or any BioWare product for that matter?"

I'm still here because I believe three simple things:

1) That one doesn't have to be a fan of an entire series to be a fan of the series. I can hate the Star Wars prequels, but still love the original trilogy and be a Star Wars fan, and I can love Star Trek TOS, TNG and DS9, but hate Enterprise and the J.J. Abrams reboot and still be a Star Trek fan. So I can hate ME3 and other aspects of Mass Effect I feel are bad and still be a Mass Effect fan.
2) The same applies to BioWare. I can be a BioWare fan without liking new BioWare. I can be a fan of what they once were, and of their former staff members I still respect.
3) I don't believe anybody will learn from their mistakes and seek to do anything right if you simply walk away from them. I still honestly don't believe BioWare are going to learn now to be honest... they've done nothing but demonstrate that they seem not only incapable, but that they don't want to learn. They want to believe they made all the right moves and they're vision for the future is the right one. And that's their biggest fault at the moment of all, and one I think they need to realise. The pandering needs to stop. The mainstreaming and selling out needs to stop. The "streamlining, the "broadening appeal" and the "making more accessible" needs to stop, because these are all just industry buzzwords these days for "dumbing down." BioWare need to get back to making their games the way they used to and making proper RPGs with depth, and not just jumping on the overcrowded "story-driven cinematic action game" bandwagon that every other AAA developer is already on. BioWare aren't going to do this if there aren't enough people telling them this, and if too many people just walk away entirely.

But letting go of the Mass Effect universe itself is hard. It almost feels like a mistreated animal in some ways... and you look at it and go, "it wasn't your fault that you ended up the way you did, it was because of the way your master treated you." It's hard to ignore all the good moments the series gave you, even if they just end up reminding you of the bad ones in the end. Even if it is hard to play ME1 again, get the end of Noveria, then almost toss the monitor against the wall in disgust when the Rachni Queen decision pops up because you know that after all those times making that choice before and discussing with others how it could have turned out, it just doesn't matter in the end. Because I think, deep down, you want to tell yourself that it wasn't all a waste of time, and you had some great moments before it all came tumbling down. Because you still question yourself whenever you think about it and ask yourself, "was it worth it?" Because you never come up with the same answer twice, and you always end up adding an "if" or a "but" with the answer you do come up with.

Modifié par Terror_K, 07 août 2012 - 02:53 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Terror_K wrote...

an awesome post

 
Nice! I agree with most of what you wrote. And I think it's good people like you are still here.

[Xeranx]

OP, I had a similar reaction and made a thread discussing how much I wanted to let it go. For me, it wasn't because of how much interest I had it in (I think I released any feelings of being attacked before ME3 came out). It was about the money spent on an item that usually leaves one with a coaster at worst. Someone came into the thread and asked "seriously?" I think the comments I made went over that poster's head because what I had said...when you spend money on anything and it's likely you can't get a refund on it, you do get bitter.

I've moved on a bit myself. I will discuss the trilogy because I do think it failed me as well as some others, but I won't rant about it as I have or harbor the feelings I did. It's just unhealthy.

Good luck to you.

EDIT: Going to agree with JayDee there.  That was an awesome post TK.

Modifié par Xeranx, 07 août 2012 - 04:14 .

[puppy maclove]

Terror_K wrote...

Letting go of BioWare themselves because of what they've done is easy. I'm honestly shocked that people even still support them after ME3, especially on the tail of DA2, which in some ways was an even bigger IP suicide than ME3 was. People often say in the wake of ME3 to me on these very forums, "why are you still here?" and I can't help but ask everybody else the same thing in my head: "Why are you still here? Why is anybody still here? How can anybody stick up for, defend and support BioWare, let alone smile and talk about new DLC and ME4 and beyond as if there's hope for a decent future Mass Effect product, or any BioWare product for that matter?"

THIS ...... TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!!! Nice post overall.

[Battlepope190]

I'll never let go. Never.

[Erixxxx]

Oilking72 wrote...

No need for me to let go of anything as Mass Effect 3 was the best in the series. It was also flawed like the first two games and I enjoy them all for their own strengths. Each game did much more right than they did wrong.

Looking forward to the dlc coming soon and in the future.

Couldn't agree more.

[wafflez]

Let go, begin again.

[Wattamelun]

Darth Wraith wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Ladymac9811 wrote...

Oilking72 wrote...

No need for me to let go of anything as Mass Effect 3 was the best in the series. It was also flawed like the first two games and I enjoy them all for their own strengths. Each game did much more right than they did wrong.

Looking forward to the dlc coming soon and in the future.

I agree

+1

+2. Unlike a lot of ppl on BSN, I never believed BioWare had anything to apologize for.

Yeah, what they said. +3

+4

[Nefla]

CmndrFisher wrote...

Hi Nefla.
 
I am in the same mind set as you are. I let go a short time ago and believe it or not, I no longer have that “emotional investment” anymore. I have been sticking around here mainly waiting for the SP DLC announcement. Well, we have Leviathan coming and to be honest, I am in no hurry to play it. ME3 has become a game I will play again but not right now. I have moved on to other games and am thoroughly enjoying my time playing those to the point where I no longer think of ME3 at all. (BTW, two of those game are ones you recommended to me)
 
And now this place seems to be full of anger and un-healthy nerd rage. There is a lot of “us against them” mentality here and frankly, it’s tiresome. There seems to be more in-fighting then actual creative discussions in the forums. And all sides are guilty of it.
 
So rest assured, Nefla, you are not alone.

I don't see myself ever playing ME3 again personally and I can't see myself ever wanting any more DLC for it either. At least now I don't have that horrible feeling every day, it felt as if I had lost a dear friend. BTW, what are those 2 games that you're currently playing? XD

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Terror_K wrote...

*snip*

I didn't bother reading all of that, but I think I got the vibe of your post, and I generally agree.

After DA2 and ME3, I can't imagine buying any of Bioware's future products (except for that BG2 remake, maybe). Their marketing and PR, their business decisions, and their design choices for their most recent games have completely turned me off their brand. I was so disappointed by ME3 as a whole that the terribad ending barely registered with me.

Anyway, they really don't have a hope in hell of winning the RPG market over if they continue on this trend. It's kind of sad: I think a better expansion strategy would've been to start developing original story-focused TPS or FPS SP & MP IPs alongside their existing RPG franchises. We all saw how negative word of mouth ruined DA2's sales numbers; they could've avoided most of that if they hadn't kept adding unwanted jam to a loyal consumer base's peanut butter.

Anyway, I gave up on the franchise back in March. ME3's abysmal writing, campy characters and heavy monetization have completely thrown out any interest I had in "supporting" Bioware further.

[thepringle]

I felt the same way when I played through the first time. I kept pushing the thoughts aside, but when I started playing it through a second time I just ended up looking at everything and just rolling my eyes. It took me a while before I decided that I just didn't like the game and nothing was going to change that. I love Bioware, but if Dragon Age 3 is anything like their last two games I'll be pretty disappointed.

[OMTING52601]

I'll tell you what worked for me, Nefla. Yeah, I was unbelievably hot under the collar when I got to the end of the game. Didn't even touch it for three months. Didn't pick up the DLC, including EC, until after it'd been out for almost a month. Of course, full disclosure and all, I didn't pick it up because I was playing the crap out of TW2 to get the bad taste out of my mouth.

However, I tend to look at things less emotionally and more realistically. I spent a hundred bucks on ME 3. I damn sure am going to get my money's worth out of the game. I'll replay it as far as I want until it falls apart, LMAO! I realized really quickly I obviously wasn't going to get what I wanted out of the game, content wise, but that didn't and doesn't mean I can't play the **** out of it.

See, I don't have any sympathy for BW, not on the whole or in the small, individual pieces. I also don't have any angsty rage at BW. It is what it is and we all just have to live with it. I'm not going to buy DLC because I'm hoping my purchase will make BW change their mind and give me the end I want - I'll buy it if I think the content is worth my money. I'm also not foaming about boycotts or secretly voodoo-dolling the company's collapse. That's a bit over the top for me, LOL, and holy crap, do you know how much time it takes to make gris-gris? I'm so lazy

The only thing that really changed for me is pre-order buying. If BW puts out some stellar IP in the future, I'll check it out, which I figure is what most folks here - no matter how angry - will also do. I've no brand loyalty anymore, though. But moving on was actually pretty easy. I'm looking for satisfying bang for my buck, like anyone I'd guess. If BW is interested in doing that - great. If not, no skin off mine. Of course, IMO, FWIW, and YMMV.

[Nefla]

Terror_K I felt the same way (awesome post btw) but I didn't want to be sucked back into all the negativity, I just couldn't let it go. Then suddenly out of the blue I just stopped caring and it was quite liberating. This doesn't mean I'm boycotting anything, I'm just doing a LOT of research and waiting until the game has been out for at least a month before i think about getting any future BW titles. As Samesh said back in ME1 "This doesn't bring me happiness but it may bring me peace" I'm of course sad that my favorite company pretty much no longer exists and that I'm not even close to their target demographic anymore anyways but as much as I loved the series it's dead for me and going down with the ship isn't going to change that. Mass Effect is now for those who find story tedious, puzzles hard, characters boring, and dialogue pretty much unwanted. It is now for people who like to run around and shoot things without having to do anything in between. We are relics of the past my friend.

[vonSlash]

Aside from the last hour of the game (which was eventually improved somewhat by the Extended Cut), I wasn't actually disappointed with ME3. So my nerd rage lasted all of about five minutes, and I had no real difficulty getting over my few disappointments and continuing on to enjoy the game.

[puppy maclove]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

*snip*

I didn't bother reading all of that, but I think I got the vibe of your post, and I generally agree.

After DA2 and ME3, I can't imagine buying any of Bioware's future products (except for that BG2 remake, maybe). Their marketing and PR, their business decisions, and their design choices for their most recent games have completely turned me off their brand. I was so disappointed by ME3 as a whole that the terribad ending barely registered with me.

Anyway, they really don't have a hope in hell of winning the RPG market over if they continue on this trend. It's kind of sad: I think a better expansion strategy would've been to start developing original story-focused TPS or FPS SP & MP IPs alongside their existing RPG franchises. We all saw how negative word of mouth ruined DA2's sales numbers; they could've avoided most of that if they hadn't kept adding unwanted jam to a loyal consumer base's peanut butter.

Anyway, I gave up on the franchise back in March. ME3's abysmal writing, campy characters and heavy monetization have completely thrown out any interest I had in "supporting" Bioware further.

Sir.... You speak the truth. Agree.

[C9316]

I never thought I'd agree with Terror_K.

[Raizo]

I'm trying to, I really, really am but it's not going so well. I find myself coming to BSN and visit the ME3 forums almost every single day, why? I don't know, maybe I've invested to much time and money into this franchise and it is hard for me to just walk away ( especially since I loved ME2 so much ). However the more time I spend on these boards the more I'm reminded of all of ME3's short comings and the more bitter I become.

I think a big part of my obsession with hating on ME3 is because I genuinely wanted to like Me3 and I genuinely don't understand where Bioware went wrong. Bioware more or less fixed all of ME2's short comings for ME3 ( and make no mistake ME2 had alot of issues with it ), on paper, if you look at the individual things that ME3 does right seperately it is a better game then ME2 and yet when you add those individual pieces together, as a collective work of art, as a form of entertainment ME2 kicks the **** out of ME3 on almost every level, it is better game then ME3 is and I don't understand how that could happen. I need to understand what the **** went wrong with ME3. I need answers. I need ****ing closure.

[KevTheGamer]

Nefla wrote...

I joined these forums back in 2010 in anticipation of DA2, I never join game forums but DA:O was my favorite game and I wanted every scrap of info I could get as well as a place to express my feelings about the game. Well DA2 came out and like many of you I felt extremely let down, but I still looked forward to ME3 "they're a different team!" I said and I LOVE ME1 and 2. DA had lost its' lead designer when DA2 came out and ME hadn't so that also gave me hope. ME3 came out and was the first game I ever pre-ordered and I stood in line at gamestop at midnight in a sea of unwashed male nerds oogling my boobs to get my precious game.
I had played the demo before game release but had thought "well it's just a demo, obviously the real game isn't going to be like this" when I saw the lip synching, weird animations, and lack of a good intro. Sadly I was wrong, I was not one of those who thought "the game was amazing until the last 10 min!" I saw far too many flaws and though there were a few amazing and shining moments, I was disappointed and put off right and left. It only took me 2 days to beat the game so on march 8 I should have been able to accept "I do not like this game" and move on right? No. For some reason I was stuck in this unhealthy obsessive loop for 5 months. I just couldn't let go, all I could think about was how this series I had loved was not only dead but had died in the most horrible streamlined, fetch-questing, multicolored, logic-melting way possible.

I ranted with the rest of them on ME3 threads, exclaiming my dissatisfaction and I think a lot of my frustration was due to the fact that it felt like the fans were being completely ignored. I was bitter, angry, and sarcastic, but I couldn't get rid of that enraged passion. Then today I realized: I don't care anymore. Not in the bitter "I'm taking my toys and going home" kind of way but being able to let go and realize it's just a video game. It's a huge relief and I feel much happier Of course the DA2 and ME3 fiascos have taught me that I will be watching parts of any future BW games on youtube, reading lots of (non-paid) reviews online, and looking at fan reaction. I'm not going to completely give up on BW, they have given me some of my favorite games (KotOR, Jade Empire, DA:O, ME1 & ME2) but fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me and fooling me 3 times just isn't going to happen ^_~

So how many of you have been able to break free of the feedback loop and put aside the nerd rage?

first off its always awesome to see and hear about girls loving this game. Maybe they do not want to make themselves known but me I like women and can enjoy gaming with him without offering them sex or trying anything sexual. As for the topic at hand I agree for me its hard to let go of this story. I got my Xbox as a christmas gift in 2007 and when I got it the second game I got was Mass Effect (first game I bought was NBA 2k8) and I liked Mass Effect a lot but I have only done maybe 4 play throughs of it to this day and even then it took me until late summer 2009 to actually sit down and beat it due to me not really getting the concept at first and just wanting to shoot things. When I realized it was a deeper story I went back and started over and finished the game. Then ME 2 came out and it was love at first sight. I still think ME 2 is the best of the 3 and I did 8 play throughs of it. Mass Effect 2 for the most part was the only game I played during the 2 years while I waited for ME 3 with few exceptions like NBA 2k updates Madden DAO DAOA DA2  Arkham Asylum and Arkham City ect but nothing filled that void that I wanted I wanted ME 3. I think that heavy anticipation that being the only thing I really thought about and cared about as far as things I wanted for about 2 years (I beat ME 2 in 2 weeks and from that point on all I could really talk about as far as gaming was ME 3) then it came out and I was highly disappointed not because of the ending entirely (though the ending threw me for a loop) but because imo the game just was not as good as ME 2 and I didn't get to bring back any of my new friends from ME 2 on my squad though it kind of makes sense why since they were all expindable.  So that was a big bummer for me then the story was not as good as ME 1 or 2 but it was ok because I got ME3MP and I was loving that still think its the main highlight of the game but I am growing really bored of it. I haven't even started this weeks MP operation because I am just kinda bored of the multiplayer there are only so many times you can play the same 3 enemies on the same dozen maps and expect it to stay interesting even with thedifferent difficulties so I went bakc and did a 4th playthrough on single player and that was fun took a month to do it whatever. Now I am to the point where I am not really sure I even care about Mass Effect. Before I couldn't find a game to hold my attention because I was spoiled by Mass Effect and even the Dragon Age series only kind of satisfied my thirst but I only did one play through of each and I have bad both for a long time. I am trying to let go and find a better game but its just not happening for me. Thanks for reading my essay

[Terror_K]

Raizo wrote...

I think a big part of my obsession with hating on ME3 is because I genuinely wanted to like Me3 and I genuinely don't understand where Bioware went wrong. Bioware more or less fixed all of ME2's short comings for ME3 ( and make no mistake ME2 had alot of issues with it ), on paper, if you look at the individual things that ME3 does right seperately it is a better game then ME2 and yet when you add those individual pieces together, as a collective work of art, as a form of entertainment ME2 kicks the **** out of ME3 on almost every level, it is better game then ME3 is and I don't understand how that could happen. I need to understand what the **** went wrong with ME3. I need answers. I need ****ing closure.

The simplest answer is the following four major points:-

1) They fixed a lot of what was wrong with ME2, but also ended up messing with a lot of the things that were right with it, largely the roleplaying and dialogue aspects. For some reason they felt they needed to alter and "fix" something that was not only not broken, but pretty solid as a whole, and thus ended up breaking it in the process.

2) ME3 utterly failed to live up to so many promises, especially in the "choices and consequences" department. It was largely linear, lacking in diversity and choice, and resulted in each playthrough being essentially the same.

3) A complete lack of priorities. BioWare seemed to focus too much on combat and other things that they didn't need to in favour of the things that really matter and should have required more attention. The things that originally made Mass Effect great were pushed aside for things that every other game has these days. Most of these factors they focused on were because of the forth and final point...

4) More focus on appealing to new players, broadening the appeal of the game and pandering to mainstream trends than on giving a satisfying conclusion to those of us who have been longtime BioWare fans and/or came in on the ground floor. It seems that in a lot of cases BioWare not only failed to make the game the grand finale of an epic trilogy that they should have, but also failed to even try to make it what it should have been (see Point #3 again for a good chunk of the reasons why too).