Mahrac wrote...
Wrong deffinition of independent it means stand-alone in that sentence, not indie.Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it shouldn't matter whether its independent or corporate.phat0817 wrote...
So I finished the article and I understand what he's saying....but Hulk needs to understand something this is a video game not a independent art film that he was watching......
It sounds like you and a couple people haven't played ME3 based on how it still continueswhat ME1 and ME2 did.Mahrac wrote...
Yes it does. The ending should fit in, not only with ME3, but with the entire series. Most of the people on the forums seen to think that it doesn't, and the review doesn't seem to treat it like part of it's series.Blueprotoss wrote...
Either way it still doesn't matter whether its independent in any definition of the word.Mahrac wrote...
Wrong deffinition of independent it means stand-alone in that sentence, not indie.Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it shouldn't matter whether its independent or corporate.phat0817 wrote...
So I finished the article and I understand what he's saying....but Hulk needs to understand something this is a video game not a independent art film that he was watching......
Thats entitlement all right.hoodaticus wrote...
200 million dollars were sucked out of the global economy for this game. We aren't self-entitled. We're mad.Kataphrut94 wrote...
Good read, even if the all-caps hurt my eyes. I particularly liked him calling out the Angry Joe review, and gamer reactions in general for all the self-entitled, whinging nonsense.
If thats true then you must be on Bioware's writing staff while I highy doubt that since you're here not making millions or thousands on writing stories.o Ventus wrote...
Well, it's difficult to take the opinion seriously when it seems to condone the thematic assassination, character assassination, lore inconsistencies, and break of genre associated with the material.
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Jonata wrote...
I think that there is something almost funny in 6 page of so-called "hardcore fans" butchering their supposed favourite series and basically saying that BioWare devs made the biggest mistake of their life trying "art" in a videogame.
Anyway, while I don't want to offend anyone, I must admit that his line about pornography is kind of right: people want satisfaction because they paid for it, they want the game to satisfy their own desires... there's little difference between a game that bends his own storytelling to indulge in the player desires and a porn video designed only to satisfy the physical need of the viewer.
Eckswhyzed wrote...
Holy crap.
There exists one person (other than me) that likes the original endings.
I never thought I would see this day.
Jonata wrote...
I think that there is something almost funny in 6 page of so-called "hardcore fans" butchering their supposed favourite series and basically saying that BioWare devs made the biggest mistake of their life trying "art" in a videogame.
Anyway, while I don't want to offend anyone, I must admit that his line about pornography is kind of right: people want satisfaction because they paid for it, they want the game to satisfy their own desires... there's little difference between a game that bends his own storytelling to indulge in the player desires and a porn video designed only to satisfy the physical need of the viewer.
And I say this with the full knowledge of the "Mass Effect is about player's choice" statement. Actually, if you read what the Hulk says regarding the similarities between the original endings, you can see that making the player chose is what send the message, not just watching it. It's the way BioWare used player choice to send the message that makes Mass Effect "videogame art" and not just a good movie with interactive sequences.
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It sounds like I'm hearing semanatics here since ME3 hasn't changed anything that was previously estabished in ME1 and ME2.Nyoka wrote...
Remarkable how people who like the endings do their best to ignore what's actually happening in the story, favoring instead abstract symbolism, like the characters and the people in the story don't matter anymore.
Notice how he never gets into specifics. Not strange, since the actual events are pretty much indefensible.
The mistakne here is that a video game isn't food just like in a movie, tv show, novel, or comic. The next mistake is that there's never anything good about entitlement and I didn't see anyone here working on one of the Dev teams for the ME series.Leon Felps wrote...
That's bogus. No matter how small it might be, I cannot think of anything I've done that wasn't to satisfy a desire of some kind. Why else would I do it, especially pay for it? The only reason this guys correlates porn to anything is because the point trying to be made it weak. I buy a medium steak and recieve a bloody mess. I tell them to cook it more because I paid for it. and want satisfaction. My perversion must have gone overboard as clearly the correct thing to do was be thankful for the art presented. They know what's best for me, it's my bad for ordering the medium in the firts place.
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THen tell me what themes it continued. Personally I don't see how it kept the themes of overcoming the impossible, finding a third option, strength through diversity, ect.Blueprotoss wrote...
It sounds like you and a couple people haven't played ME3 based on how it still continueswhat ME1 and ME2 did.Mahrac wrote...
Yes it does. The ending should fit in, not only with ME3, but with the entire series. Most of the people on the forums seen to think that it doesn't, and the review doesn't seem to treat it like part of it's series.Blueprotoss wrote...
Either way it still doesn't matter whether its independent in any definition of the word.Mahrac wrote...
Wrong deffinition of independent it means stand-alone in that sentence, not indie.Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it shouldn't matter whether its independent or corporate.phat0817 wrote...
So I finished the article and I understand what he's saying....but Hulk needs to understand something this is a video game not a independent art film that he was watching......
Blueprotoss wrote...
It sounds like I'm hearing semanatics here since ME3 hasn't changed anything that was previously estabished in ME1 and ME2.Nyoka wrote...
Remarkable how people who like the endings do their best to ignore what's actually happening in the story, favoring instead abstract symbolism, like the characters and the people in the story don't matter anymore.
Notice how he never gets into specifics. Not strange, since the actual events are pretty much indefensible.
Blueprotoss wrote...
It sounds like I'm hearing semanatics here since ME3 hasn't changed anything that was previously estabished in ME1 and ME2.
Nyoka wrote...
Remarkable how people who like the endings do their best to ignore what's actually happening in the story, favoring instead abstract symbolism, like the characters and the people in the story don't matter anymore.
Notice how he never gets into specifics. Not strange, since the actual events are pretty much indefensible.
Synthesis, Control, Destory, Creator vs Created, Indoctrination, Experimentation, Racism, Genocide, and etc. Overcoming the Impossible isn't a theme based on how nothing is impossible other then killing the Reapers conventually.Mahrac wrote...
THen tell me what themes it continued. Personally I don't see how it kept the themes of overcoming the impossible, finding a third option, strength through diversity, ect.Blueprotoss wrote...
It sounds like you and a couple people haven't played ME3 based on how it still continueswhat ME1 and ME2 did.
It sounds like you haven't played any of the ME games.MandaPanda81 wrote...
Other than the main conflict of the story.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 07 août 2012 - 04:38 .
Thats a red herring here based on how most of the major and minor choices throughout the series have been story driven and controlled by Bioware's story telling and direction.Applepie_Svk wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
It sounds like I'm hearing semanatics here since ME3 hasn't changed anything that was previously estabished in ME1 and ME2.
Yes you have right, it doesn´t change previous events it frankly said avoid all previous informations...
This makes you sound like you don't want people to be unbiased even when most people haven't played most of the games in every series that they have played. It doesn't matter if something is a stand-alone, self-contained story, or has an ambiguous ending based on there's always an Alpha and an Omega.Nimori wrote...
The fact that the review is based merely on the play through of ME3, and not on the series as a whole, diminishes its credibility. Comparing ME3 to Citizen Kane doesn't work because Citizen Kane is a stand-alone, self-contained story, which is perfectly suited to an ambiguous ending. It would be better to compare ME3 to a film trilogy or even a television series because the entirety of the story must be considered in the resolution. Even though the guy in the embedded video he bashes is over the top in his presentation, his argument is based on how the endings are incongruent with the overall series. He also cites a number of examples of these inconsistencies.
How does the symbolism ultimately detract from the overall story of Mass Effect when Bioware has always been about symbolism even down to the eyes of characters. There will always be some people complaining about "resolution" especially when everyone has their own tastes.Nimori wrote...
I have always been a fan of symbolic/philosophical endings, when they fit. While I can appreciate the symbolism and the philosophical discussions raised by the pre-EC and post-EC endings, they ultimately detract from the overall story of Mass Effect. These questions would have been better suited to have been raised earlier in the story, allowing the audience to consider them as the resolution builds, not as the resolution in and of itself.
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If you like not knowing what happened to anybody, then I can't say you cared a great deal about them. You'd want to know what became of the people you love, no?Zjarcal wrote...
Nyoka wrote...
Remarkable how people who like the endings do their best to ignore what's actually happening in the story, favoring instead abstract symbolism, like the characters and the people in the story don't matter anymore.
Notice how he never gets into specifics. Not strange, since the actual events are pretty much indefensible.
What? Liking the ending now means you don't care about the characters in the story? And who says we're ignoring what's happening in the story?
"Big Ideas are the refuge of the lazy and untalented; works that purport to be about Big Ideas are invariably a tiny step above tracts ... Can't manage a coherent plot, convincing characters, original or believable worlds, well-turned sentences? Such cheap tricks are for heretics who read books written in pagan tongues! Acolytes of the True Faith… write Novels of Ideas!"
Modifié par Nyoka, 07 août 2012 - 04:58 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
Nimori wrote...
I have always been a fan of symbolic/philosophical endings, when they fit. While I can appreciate the symbolism and the philosophical discussions raised by the pre-EC and post-EC endings, they ultimately detract from the overall story of Mass Effect. These questions would have been better suited to have been raised earlier in the story, allowing the audience to consider them as the resolution builds, not as the resolution in and of itself.
How does the symbolism ultimately detract from the overall story of Mass Effect when Bioware has always been about symbolism even down to the eyes of characters. There will always be some people complaining about "resolution" especially when everyone has their own tastes.
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Blueprotoss wrote...
The mistakne here is that a video game isn't food just like in a movie, tv show, novel, or comic. The next mistake is that there's never anything good about entitlement and I didn't see anyone here working on one of the Dev teams for the ME series.Leon Felps wrote...
That's bogus. No matter how small it might be, I cannot think of anything I've done that wasn't to satisfy a desire of some kind. Why else would I do it, especially pay for it? The only reason this guys correlates porn to anything is because the point trying to be made it weak. I buy a medium steak and recieve a bloody mess. I tell them to cook it more because I paid for it. and want satisfaction. My perversion must have gone overboard as clearly the correct thing to do was be thankful for the art presented. They know what's best for me, it's my bad for ordering the medium in the firts place.
Guest_Nyoka_*
Too impressed by their own metaphors and symbols to really think about it, probably.
Just another instance of "oops, we didn't think of that because we were stroking ourselves so hard over the depth and importance of the Big Super Philosophical Ideas we were posing at the ending we left everything else aside, and besides who cares about the characters amirite? I mean we would never have thought there would be such a huge demand for it".
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Modifié par Rhz, 07 août 2012 - 05:09 .
Nyoka wrote...
If you like not knowing what happened to anybody, then I can't say you cared a great deal about them. You'd want to know what became of the people you love, no?Zjarcal wrote...
Nyoka wrote...
Remarkable how people who like the endings do their best to ignore what's actually happening in the story, favoring instead abstract symbolism, like the characters and the people in the story don't matter anymore.
Notice how he never gets into specifics. Not strange, since the actual events are pretty much indefensible.
What? Liking the ending now means you don't care about the characters in the story? And who says we're ignoring what's happening in the story?
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