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[EricHVela]

(Ignoring the whole reload-saved of the main protagonist -- because I just know someone out there is thinking it.)

There are ghosts. What of those that do not become ghosts?

Do you think the Chant is correct? Is there a Thedas version Heaven or Hell? What about those that become abominations? Is it simply oblivion for those that do not become ghosts? What about Tranquils? Do Dwarves have the same possibilities of afterlife as those that can experience the Fade through dreams? What about darkspawn? What about the Wardens? What about animals? What about reincarnation? Do you think spirits and demons can die?

What do you think possibly happens when something dies in Dragon Age?

[LobselVith8]

Morrigan and Leliana debate this, but while Leliana points to magic and spirits, Morrigan retorts that these issues don't prove that there is an intelligent design to Thedas. There isn't anything to prove the truth, one way or the other. The Dalish believe in the Creators; the Dwarves believe in the Ancestors, and believe their people return to the Stone.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

In Awakening Justice says that mortal souls are 'taken elsewhere' or something. While he doesn't know where to, it seems it's a place beyond the reach of spirits.

It suggests souls pass through the Fade en route to an unknown destination when a person dies, which aligns with Dalish beliefs.

No idea about the destination, but RPing from an Andrastian perspective I've adopted the belief that no one corrupted by the Taint may enter the Maker's presence, which means Grey Wardens and ghouls are screwed. I've headcanoned that they end up trapped within the Black City, perhaps as a sort of purgatory. Of course, this is all personal speculation on the part of my Andrastian characters. My Dalish believe that if the proper forms are kept upon their burial, they walk the Fade and have to get past the Ravens to find their way to the Creators.

Edit: My dwarves believe in Valhalla. Only with no gods or valkyries, and extra nug chops.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 07 août 2012 - 03:29 .

[LobselVith8]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Their debate isn't over death & the afterlife; it's over Leliana's belief in a Creator.

Their debate includes the afterlife, so you're wrong.

[TEWR]

I think it depends largely on the religion you're following, as they all seem to be true.

The Dwarves believe that their spirits return to the Stone and strengthen it. In addition, they believe the Stone is a living entity -- and there is some evidence to suggest this.

Primeval Dwarves seem to have believed differently, but we don't have enough information on them to really know.

Chantry lands believe that if you're a good little Andrastian, you'll go to the Maker's side upon your death. Justice says spirits believe this as well, but is unsure whether it's believed because they think it to be true, or just believe it because it's what humanity believes and the spirits saw that belief in mortal dreams.

In addition, Chantry lands believe that if you're not a good little Andrastian you're lost to the Void upon your death, returning to the very ether of the Fade to be lost forever in it.
The Elves believe in Uthenara, the Long Sleep. But due to their lack of immortality and the gods' imprisonment, they're now left to die and go wherever they go upon death.

[AbsoluteApril]

Nizaris1 wrote...

For atheists, for sure death for them have no meaning, just death, they don't believe in soul either.

that's not quite correct, Atheism means no belief in a god/gods/goddess/diety, it does not preclude belief in spirital or paranormal forces (soul or lifeforce). You are correct that not all atheists believe in a soul but it's not part of being an atheist. sorry for tad OT but I had to say something about that.

[brushyourteeth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think it depends largely on the religion you're following, as they all seem to be true.

The Dwarves believe that their spirits return to the Stone and strengthen it. In addition, they believe the Stone is a living entity -- and there is some evidence to suggest this.

Primeval Dwarves seem to have believed differently, but we don't have enough information on them to really know.

Chantry lands believe that if you're a good little Andrastian, you'll go to the Maker's side upon your death. Justice says spirits believe this as well, but is unsure whether it's believed because they think it to be true, or just believe it because it's what humanity believes and the spirits saw that belief in mortal dreams.

In addition, Chantry lands believe that if you're not a good little Andrastian you're lost to the Void upon your death, returning to the very ether of the Fade to be lost forever in it.
The Elves believe in Uthenara, the Long Sleep. But due to their lack of immortality and the gods' imprisonment, they're now left to die and go wherever they go upon death.

I feel a need to comment on the underlined -- the only information I know of on this score comes from the Prima Official game guide which says "The Chantry also holds that when a person dies, their soul passes through the Fade to the afterlife. Those who have turned away from the Maker enter the Fade and are lost, returning to the ether[1] from which they were formed ("to the Void"). "

In my understanding, this means that all those who die travel through the Fade on their way to the Maker, but those who reject him either don't know the way to his side (the afterlife) or choose not to go there, becoming lost in the Fade. Also, if they return to the ether they were originally formed from, this also subtly implies (to me, anyway) the possibility of a reincarnation or eventual resurrection. A second chance, if you will.

One's passage to the afterlife doesn't seem to be dependent upon being "a good little Andrastian" as far as your life being devoted to the Chant -- just an acknowledgement of the Maker. So someone like Daveth is still probably in good with the big guy. Though granted that little nugget of info on the Void isn't much to go on.

Regardless, it doesn't seem that our real-life idea of "hell" really translates into Thedas. There's no religion we know of in the DA universe where people can spend their afterlife in eternal torment. The dwarves seem to all return to the Stone in peace, the Andrastians either rejoin the Maker or travel the Void in confusion/possibly cease to be, and the elves sleep unless they're unlucky enough to be buried near a thin Veil. No clue yet on the Qunari (to my knowledge anyway).

[WhiteKnyght]

Dragon Age: The Silent Grove.

- Isabella kills Claudio Valisti when Alistair needed answers from him regarding his master.

- Yavana used magic to pull Claudio's soul back from the Fade and bind it back to his body so they could interrogate him. He uttered the name Aurelian Titus before exploding into flame(presumably Titus did that to shut him up before he revealed too much.)

So there's your answer. Souls do go to the Fade when they die. Maybe Justice and the Chantry are just wrong and the souls of the dead and the spirits and demons of the Fade are really one and the same.

[thats1evildude]

I believe that Justice says the souls of the dead do pass into the Fade but eventually move on to somewhere that even he cannot guess at. (Essentially, the Fade is the waiting room for the afterlife.) So it's not out of the question for Yavana to call back Claudio's soul before it moves on to its "ultimate reward," so to speak.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 08 août 2012 - 07:35 .

[Hayllee]

I've always kind of figured that wherever the Eluvian takes you is the official "I'm dead, guys" place. There must be an Afterlife in DA, however- what with the spirits and stuff.

[Blacklash93]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Dragon Age: The Silent Grove.

- Isabella kills Claudio Valisti when Alistair needed answers from him regarding his master.

- Yavana used magic to pull Claudio's soul back from the Fade and bind it back to his body so they could interrogate him. He uttered the name Aurelian Titus before exploding into flame(presumably Titus did that to shut him up before he revealed too much.)

So there's your answer. Souls do go to the Fade when they die. Maybe Justice and the Chantry are just wrong and the souls of the dead and the spirits and demons of the Fade are really one and the same.

Justice said souls of people pass through the Fade realm and beyond that they don't know what happens. Yavana could have captured his soul before it passed through as his death took place only 2 minutes max before she did that.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 août 2012 - 01:10 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...

(Ignoring the whole reload-saved of the main protagonist -- because I just know someone out there is thinking it.)

There are ghosts. What of those that do not become ghosts?[/quote]
They become spirit.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
Do you think the Chant is correct?[/quote]
No idea. Maybe. Don't care.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
Is there a Thedas version Heaven or Hell?[/quote]
No.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
What about those that become abominations?[/quote]
Do you mean spirit possession or demon possession? This forum like to think those two possessions as abomination which I disagree. Victim dies. Demon or spirit release the body and the body will decompose.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
Is it simply oblivion for those that do not become ghosts?[/quote]
No.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
What about Tranquils?[/quote]
Same as any dead being. They become spirit.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
Do Dwarves have the same possibilities of afterlife as those that can experience the Fade through dreams?[/quote]
They're said to return to stone but you can still see dwarves spirits in abandoned thaigs. So not sure about dwarves. I never see dwarves spirit in the fade tho.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
What about darkspawn?[/quote]
Darkspawn are soulless. They simply decompose.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
What about the Wardens? What about animals?[/quote]
The Wardens, animals, elves and all living being become spirit. Animals like Halla become spirit too.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
What about reincarnation?[/quote]
Hinduisme and Buddhaisme need to exist in Thedas first.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
Do you think spirits and demons can die?[/quote]
No.

[quote]ReggarBlane wrote...
What do you think possibly happens when something dies in Dragon Age?[/quote]
Something like what? There are living things and non living things. Living things die. Non living things cannot die. What happen if living thing die? They become spirit and return to the fade.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 09 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[FullmetalHeart20]

I just wanted to thank all of you for this! You've provided very good answers for an afterlife in DA:O, so I think I can forgive Behlen's tendency to kill people in cold blood. :-)

[EChatty]

About the Dwarves, they don't believe everyone who returns to the stone strengthens it, this is from the DA wiki:

Their other cultural beliefs are more akin to ancestor worship. Dwarves who lead a strong and noble life are said to strengthen the Stone when they die, becoming Ancestors. Those who are ignoble or disgraced would weaken the stone and are therefore rejected by it for all eternity.

[andy6915]

Most likely, dying underground where there's lyrium keeps you from going to an afterlife. Most likely, those that die underground are absorbed into the lyrium and their spirits or whatever live on through the stone and lyrium. I've read a lot of theories about how lyrium is actually made from corpses and spirits, and this explains why exactly the dwarves believe you become part of the stone and never truly stop existing, because you live on in the lyrium upon death. The dwarves religious beliefs actually have some real evidence backing them up as being true.

[Wolfva2]

I think...in the afterlife of Thedas...you become canonfodder for bloodmages to summon and throw against the Hero of Fereldan or the Champion of Kirkwall.

Not to ruin the spirit of things, but this discussion...like all religious discussions...doesn't stand a ghost of a chance of being resolved. It's all up to faith.

[Gamer Ftw]

Only Sandal knows for sure....
He knows all...