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[Arcane_Solona]

I'm a female mage and I have this intense romance going on with Alistair (just like the rest of any other female playing this game, lol).

I missed out on the opportunity to harden Alistair (bummer, I know), and even though I'm Human, I'm still of mage origin, so I can't just make Alistair king and marry him and live happily ever after (I'll be doing that when I play this game again, though!).

So, I was wondering if I could somehow still manage to keep Alistair in my clan and make Anora Queen at the same time?(without proposing that she marry Alistair and they rule together). I'll be killing Loghain, obviously. I read that Alistair would still stay with the Grey Wardens if he's in love with the female Warden even if Anora is made queen. And I know that she'll want to execute Alistair once she's queen, but I can handle that if I manage to convince her otherwise, right?

So yeah, main question is, wil Alistair still stay with me if he's in love with my character  and I decide to make Anora queen?

Thanks in advance!

[Apophis2412]

During and before the Landsmeet you will get the option to choose who should be ruler of Ferelden.

One of these choices is that Anora rules alone. In fact, unhardened Alistair will happily relinquish his claims to the throne.



To prevent Anora from wanting to execute Alistair you must not spare Loghain. ( I know that this sounds stupid).

[Apophis2412]

And yes, Al will stay with the female warden , regardless of origin, if he does not become king.

[Time4Tiddy]

Short answer, yes.

Long answer - make sure you ask Alistair's opinion about becoming king, then bargain with Anora, then you can go back and tell Alistair you are supporting Anora, and he'll tell you he's relieved and didn't want to be king anyway.
After you make Anora queen (rules alone) she will want to execute Alistair.  At that time you can claim your boon and spare his life. 

Provided you convince Alistair to sleep with Morrigan, ultimately you should be able to ride off into the sunset together, leaving Anora alone on the throne.

Modifié par Time4Tiddy, 21 décembre 2009 - 07:38 .

[aznsoisauce]

If Alistair was hardened, though, I'm pretty sure you don't have the option to support Anora during the landsmeet (unless you told Alistair you were going to before hand?)



...not that it matters since you did not harden him.

[Never]

Don't forget to call Anora a b*tch in your next play through when you pick Alistair >

[Arcane_Solona]

mynameisdanza wrote...

Don't forget to call Anora a b*tch in your next play through when you pick Alistair >

Haha! Will do! I felt like MURDERING her while I watched her betray the Grey Wardens as my brother played.

[Cybercat999]

aznsoisauce wrote...

If Alistair was hardened, though, I'm pretty sure you don't have the option to support Anora during the landsmeet (unless you told Alistair you were going to before hand?)

I had hardened Alistair and I put Anora on the throne without asking anyone for opinion. He took it without a word.

I think the difference is in killing Loghain, if you let him do it you have no say on the matter. I gladly kill Loghain myself and then do whatever I want, none complains.

Modifié par Cybercat999, 21 décembre 2009 - 12:15 .

[Ulicus]

Alistair will probably still *think* he's the King until you actually finish the game, mind you.

[Arcane_Solona]

Cybercat999 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

If Alistair was hardened, though, I'm pretty sure you don't have the option to support Anora during the landsmeet (unless you told Alistair you were going to before hand?)

I had hardened Alistair and I put Anora on the throne without asking anyone for opinion. He took it without a word.

II think the difference is in killing Loghain, if you let him do it you have no say on the matter. I gladly kill Loghain myself and then do whatever I want, none complains.

Wait... what do you mean "you have no say on the matter?"
I thought the only difference about killing Loghain is that if Alistair kills him, then he cant marry Anora and they wont agree to rule together, whereas if your main character kills Loghain, Alistair will have the option of marrying Anora.

[Arcane_Solona]

Ulicus wrote...

Alistair will probably still *think* he's the King until you actually finish the game, mind you.

Really? Will that affect anything? Such as refusing to carry on a relationship with a human mage or something simply because he thinks he's king and its therefore wrong for him to be involved with a mage?

[Cybercat999]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

If Alistair was hardened, though, I'm pretty sure you don't have the option to support Anora during the landsmeet (unless you told Alistair you were going to before hand?)

I had hardened Alistair and I put Anora on the throne without asking anyone for opinion. He took it without a word.

II think the difference is in killing Loghain, if you let him do it you have no say on the matter. I gladly kill Loghain myself and then do whatever I want, none complains.

Wait... what do you mean "you have no say on the matter?"
I thought the only difference about killing Loghain is that if Alistair kills him, then he cant marry Anora and they wont agree to rule together, whereas if your main character kills Loghain, Alistair will have the option of marrying Anora.

In one of my endings (the only one where I let him do the final blow on Loghain) none asked me about my opinion after that. Alistair just went forward as a king.

[Darth_Trethon]

You wanted to **harden** him? Meaning that you wanted him to keep you as a concubine as he married and had heirs to the throne with some other woman that would actually become queen? My but you do have really high standards there.

[Ulicus]

Arcane Solana wrote...
Really? Will that affect anything? Such as refusing to carry on
a relationship with a human mage or something simply because he thinks
he's king and its therefore wrong for him to be involved with a mage?

I... don't know, honestly. I know that after I put Anora on the throne but kept Alistair (as a guy), he had a few lines about being King at Redcliffe when I approached him about the Morrigan offer. He gives the speech to the troops as well. And... he also gave the whole "let me be a good King" spiel at the archdemon battle.

Buttttt... I don't think any of the "we can't be together" romance stuff triggers, since that's more of Denerim/Landsmeet thing. This is just bugged Redcliffe/Endgame dialog.

Modifié par Ulicus, 21 décembre 2009 - 12:19 .

[Cybercat999]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

You wanted to **harden** him? Meaning that you wanted him to keep you as a concubine as he married and had heirs to the throne with some other woman that would actually become queen? My but you do have really high standards there.

Not every woman out there wants to get tied to some guy "til death them part". I personally prefer my freedom over being the queen crap. And if I want to "stay with him for a while" and couldnt care less who he marries and have heirs with, who are you to judge me?

[Arcane_Solona]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

You wanted to **harden** him? Meaning that you wanted him to keep you as a concubine as he married and had heirs to the throne with some other woman that would actually become queen? My but you do have really high standards there.

You know... you actually have a point there. I'm just a hopeless romantic. I didn't want him to just dump my character like that. But, again, you made a good point.

EDIT: And its not about being queen. I couldn't care less about that. It's just the romantic aspect of it. Something so beautiful and genuine that has evolved between two people shouldn't just be thrown away because of a sense of "duty".

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 21 décembre 2009 - 12:27 .

[Arcane_Solona]

Cybercat999 wrote...

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

If Alistair was hardened, though, I'm pretty sure you don't have the option to support Anora during the landsmeet (unless you told Alistair you were going to before hand?)

I had hardened Alistair and I put Anora on the throne without asking anyone for opinion. He took it without a word.

II think the difference is in killing Loghain, if you let him do it you have no say on the matter. I gladly kill Loghain myself and then do whatever I want, none complains.

Wait... what do you mean "you have no say on the matter?"
I thought the only difference about killing Loghain is that if Alistair kills him, then he cant marry Anora and they wont agree to rule together, whereas if your main character kills Loghain, Alistair will have the option of marrying Anora.

In one of my endings (the only one where I let him do the final blow on Loghain) none asked me about my opinion after that. Alistair just went forward as a king.

Alistair must've been hardened then, right? Because as my brother played that part, Alistair killed Loghain but he still didn't want to be king and the other Warden had to make the decision.

EDIT: Oh wait, sorry, just read your post again and saw that he was hardened.

Modifié par Arcane_Solona, 21 décembre 2009 - 12:31 .

[vihart]

You can make Anora Queen, and keep Allistair with you in the grey wardens, remember to kill Loghain (if you spare Loghain's life Allistair will go away)

[Cybercat999]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

Alistair must've been hardened then, right? Because as my brother played that part, Alistair killed Loghain but he still didn't want to be king and the other Warden had to make the decision.

EDIT: Oh wait, sorry, just read your post again and saw that he was hardened.

Yup, all my versions are hardened except the one I am saving to sacrifice him for achievement.

Modifié par Cybercat999, 21 décembre 2009 - 12:40 .

[Subject696]

btw why did no one tell me I could get rid of alistair in this nice way I thought making him king would have made him mad and letting him leave me but seemed I was wrong thanks for the tip

[Nat2196]

I've hardened Alistair, but I want him to stay with my mefale elf mage, what should I do to make sure Alistair will stay?

Make Alistair duel Loghain, and kill him. But do I need to support Anora? Thank you, i want to make sure Alistair stays in party with my female elf.

[Reaverwind]

Nat2196 wrote...

I've hardened Alistair, but I want him to stay with my mefale elf mage, what should I do to make sure Alistair will stay?

Make Alistair duel Loghain, and kill him. But do I need to support Anora? Thank you, i want to make sure Alistair stays in party with my female elf.

It's been awhile, but iirc, if you've hardened Alistair and want to stay with him - do NOT let him duel Loghain or he'll automatically take the  throne. Have someone else duel and execute Loghain.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 05 janvier 2013 - 01:19 .

[Ferretinabun]

Reaverwind is almost correct. A hardened Alistair who duels Loghain will automatically execute Loghain without giving you the choice to save him, and then simply take the throne - unless he had previously agreed to marry Anora, in which case she breaks off the engagement and forces you to choose between them. However, Alistair will also stay in your party until the end of the game whether he is made King or not.

The only thing that makes Alistair leave your party is if you let Loghain join the wardens instead. That's all.

However, an Alistair who is to be made King will always break up with a non-human noble warden. Hardened, he can be persuaded to keep her as a mistress, but officially he'll keep himself open for a political marriage (be that to Anora or not).

So the only way to keep Alistair in your group AND keep the romance alive is to execute Loghain and give the crown to Anora.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

If you want to keep an unhardened Alistair in your party, but make Anora queen? That's actually pretty easy. At no point will he automatically attempt to take the throne if he's unhardened. Just either kill Loghain or let Alistair do it (who actually does it would only matter if you intended to arrange a marriage), since he's not under any circumstances going to stay in a romance if you don't. Not to mention that if Loghain is already dead, Anora just lets it go. She tries to kill Alistair mainly in order to protect Loghain, since apart from his blind hatred of Loghain his loyalty is beyond reproach. (Though since you said you're doing that anyway...)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:51 .

[Shinobu]

Nat2196 wrote...

I've hardened Alistair, but I want him to stay with my mefale elf mage, what should I do to make sure Alistair will stay?

Make Alistair duel Loghain, and kill him. But do I need to support Anora? Thank you, i want to make sure Alistair stays in party with my female elf.

1) At Eamon's make a deal to back Anora. Don't discuss Loghain's fate with her. Do NOT tell Alistair that you are backing Anora (I did this once and hardened Alistair broke off the relationship.). When he asks, say "Why would the nobles care what I think?"
2) Do NOT let Alistair duel Loghain or he will make himself king and break up with your Warden. I find it easiest for the Warden to duel and execute Loghain.
3) Choose Anora as sole ruler. Alistair won't mind too much.
4) Convince Alistair to do the Dark Ritual. Remember to save before talking to Alistair about the DR as a hardened Alistair can refuse to do the Ritual depending on which conversation options you choose. IIRC, the "guilt-trippy" options are the ones most likely to have him refuse the ritual.
5) Profit!