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[Gamer Ftw]

Arcane_Solona wrote...

I'm a female mage and I have this intense romance going on with Alistair (just like the rest of any other female playing this game, lol).

I missed out on the opportunity to harden Alistair (bummer, I know), and even though I'm Human, I'm still of mage origin, so I can't just make Alistair king and marry him and live happily ever after (I'll be doing that when I play this game again, though!).

So, I was wondering if I could somehow still manage to keep Alistair in my clan and make Anora Queen at the same time?(without proposing that she marry Alistair and they rule together). I'll be killing Loghain, obviously. I read that Alistair would still stay with the Grey Wardens if he's in love with the female Warden even if Anora is made queen. And I know that she'll want to execute Alistair once she's queen, but I can handle that if I manage to convince her otherwise, right?

So yeah, main question is, wil Alistair still stay with me if he's in love with my character  and I decide to make Anora queen?

Thanks in advance!

Alot of females hate Alistair actaully.
But yeah,If you don't harden him it's easy.
He just gives up the throne.
Just don't let him kill Loghain himself.have you or another do it.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 15 janvier 2013 - 11:39 .

[katattax]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

After you make Anora queen (rules alone) she will want to execute Alistair.  At that time you can claim your boon and spare his life.

That's odd, she didn't want to execute him in my recent playthrough. I let Alistair duel and kill Loghain, asked Alistair and Anora what option they'd prefer and made Anora queen. She didn't say anything about executing Alistair. I chose the boon of freeing the Circle and the epilogue said Alistair and I went on our merry way as Wardens.

[Wulfram]

She only wants to execute Alistair if you spare Loghain.

[Cobra's_back]

The Dragon age Prima Guide states that it is easier to get Alistair to do Dark Ritual if harden. You have a mage. Can someone confirm the following?

My guess if unhardened need 4 persuasions say you love him and don’t mention the baby? Mages don’t have high cunning.

Hardened Alistair will do Dark Ritual 4 persuasions say you love him and can tell him there will be a baby. He will still do it if asked?


I think the only benefit of Hardening is if you want him as King.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

I think the only benefit of Hardening is if you want him as King.

Or if you want to do the threesome with Isabela.

[ejoslin]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

The Dragon age Prima Guide states that it is easier to get Alistair to do Dark Ritual if harden. You have a mage. Can someone confirm the following?

My guess if unhardened need 4 persuasions say you love him and don’t mention the baby? Mages don’t have high cunning.

Hardened Alistair will do Dark Ritual 4 persuasions say you love him and can tell him there will be a baby. He will still do it if asked?


I think the only benefit of Hardening is if you want him as King.

There's a counter in that dialog -- like the one that happens at the Landsmeet regarding whether you win or lose.  Telling Alistair you love him gives a big boost in the "will do ritual" count, whereas telling him about the baby will give a negative count.  If he's in a romance or still in love, telling him it will save your life gives a decent boost.  If you tell him, "If you love me, you would do it," he'll do it if he's in love.  

The persuade checks themselves, provided your "agree count" is 3 or above, is low, so you only need a point in coercion.  if it's above 5 at some points, you don't need coersion at all.

Edit: Looking at this more, at least at some points it's easier to get him to agree if he isn't hardened.  I'm not going over it too carefully, but there is a point where if he's changed, he needs more talking to, but if he's not hardened and his agree count is above 5, he will do it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 février 2013 - 11:45 .

[Cobra's_back]

Very detailed and nice post Ejoslin love the information. It is better than the guide.

[Alizamai]

Alistair fought Loghain and killed him immediately, I spoke with both and then chose Anora to rule alone. Anora didnt even mention executing or Sending him away. So I kept Alistair in the party. Not sure if he was hardened, he seemed to be less wussy. I also told him I was supporting Anora and he said he was relieved. I also did the dark ritual. Worked out perfect for me.

Edit:  I also have full coercion points.  maybe that makes a difference.  Played a city elf rogue

Modifié par Alizamai, 31 janvier 2014 - 03:41 .

[sylvanaerie]

Alizamai wrote...

Alistair fought Loghain and killed him immediately, I spoke with both and then chose Anora to rule alone. Anora didnt even mention executing or Sending him away. So I kept Alistair in the party. Not sure if he was hardened, he seemed to be less wussy. I also told him I was supporting Anora and he said he was relieved. I also did the dark ritual. Worked out perfect for me.

Edit:  I also have full coercion points.  maybe that makes a difference.  Played a city elf rogue

Alistair was not hardened.

If he is hardened, after killing Loghain he doesn't balk when Eamon says "It's decided, Alistair will rule" and takes the throne himself.  If unhardened, he still kills Loghain but balks when Eamon says the same line.  This gives the player a chance to choose Anora or Alistair.  The only time he doesn't immediately take the throne hardened is when the player is a HNF.  In which case you have the option to marry him (or still put Anora on the throne).  Even the HNM who arranged the marriage beforehand for himself will be preempted by hardened Alistair taking the throne.  (IE the only way to marry Anora yourself is have unhardened Alistair execute Loghain--if you plan on keeping Alistair--or sparing Loghain after you duel him).

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 31 janvier 2014 - 04:39 .

[BlazingSpeed]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Alizamai wrote...

Alistair fought Loghain and killed him immediately, I spoke with both and then chose Anora to rule alone. Anora didnt even mention executing or Sending him away. So I kept Alistair in the party. Not sure if he was hardened, he seemed to be less wussy. I also told him I was supporting Anora and he said he was relieved. I also did the dark ritual. Worked out perfect for me.

Edit:  I also have full coercion points.  maybe that makes a difference.  Played a city elf rogue

Alistair was not hardened.

If he is hardened, after killing Loghain he doesn't balk when Eamon says "It's decided, Alistair will rule" and takes the throne himself.  If unhardened, he still kills Loghain but balks when Eamon says the same line.  This gives the player a chance to choose Anora or Alistair.  The only time he doesn't immediately take the throne hardened is when the player is a HNF.  In which case you have the option to marry him (or still put Anora on the throne).  Even the HNM who arranged the marriage beforehand for himself will be preempted by hardened Alistair taking the throne.  (IE the only way to marry Anora yourself is have unhardened Alistair execute Loghain--if you plan on keeping Alistair--or sparing Loghain after you duel him).

Yikes, thanks for the warning I don't want Hardened Alistair blocking my HNM's way to the top at the Landsmeet.

[Mike3207]

It's not a issue if you don't let Alistair duel Loghain.

[Corker]

It's not an issue if you don't let Alistair duel Loghain, and spare Loghain. If you kill him yourself, Anora won't marry you. (Go fig.)

[sylvanaerie]

I think it adds to her character that she will not seek retribution for her father's death, accepting it as justice, even if it saddens her, but does draw the line at marrying her husband's murderer. Kinda nice that there are some lines even she won't cross to get the throne.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 01 février 2014 - 01:40 .

[sylvanaerie]

Mike Smith wrote...

It's not a issue if you don't let Alistair duel Loghain.

This only works if you are going to spare Loghain.  You lose Alistair then, and that's not the topic of the discussion.  "Keeping Alistair while making Anora queen".   Of course, you can still have your HNM marry Anora at that point, but if you spare Loghain, you lose Alistair.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Corker wrote...

It's not an issue if you don't let Alistair duel Loghain, and spare Loghain. If you kill him yourself, Anora won't marry you. (Go fig.)

The real "go fig" here is that you can allow Alistair to kill Loghain no matter who duels him, and she's still willing to marry you as long as you don't personally take his head off. (I played that scene again just now to be sure.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 02 février 2014 - 12:33 .